RunTheBall Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/31/in-2020-cam-newton-learned-hes-a-mentally-tough-sob/#comments I don’t tend to start threads but I was browsing PFT and this little tidbit just blew my mind. I thought I’d share since there has been some discussion that Cam might be an option for backup QB for us next season. In my opinion, I don’t want this clown anywhere near our franchise. Besides the fact that I think he is an absolutely awful QB now, his absolute lack of self awareness is stunning. This whole article is a self congratulatory homage to how mentally tough he thinks he is because he’s had to persevere through one of the worst seasons I’ve seen a starting QB have in memory. There is zero acknowledgment that he’s even part of the problem. He spends more time discussing the difference in clothes he wears compared to Belichick. He has no chance of fixing his mechanical issues and becoming even a serviceable backup QB because he really doesn’t think he’s any part of the problem. I think Cam was allowed to get away with horrible mechanics for his career because he was such a physical specimen he could overcome it with arm strength and escapability. Now that he’s older and injuries have taken their toll, his flaws are horribly exposed and its been obvious all year he can barely throw a football anymore. No thanks. Combine that with a personality that is the exact opposite of “the process” and I can’t believe McBeane would let this guy west of Syracuse let alone in the building despite their familiarity with him. 16 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 He'll be so busy shopping for babushkas that he won't have time to study the playbook. With Cam Newton 2021 you're not getting the steak, you're getting the sizzle (off a burnt and dried out hamburger). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 The Patriots didnt have a game on September 30th, or Christmas Eve, so there is absolutely no football related excuse for him missing his kids birthdays. Honestly hope Cam grows up because his biggest problem is his immaturity. For the record, Bill wears jeans and Patriots gear everyday because he doesnt spend time worrying about how he looks, because grown men dont do that on a daily. Maybe spend less time worrying about your "steez" and more time trying to get to your kids birthday parties. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/31/in-2020-cam-newton-learned-hes-a-mentally-tough-sob/#comments I don’t tend to start threads but I was browsing PFT and this little tidbit just blew my mind. I thought I’d share since there has been some discussion that Cam might be an option for backup QB for us next season. In my opinion, I don’t want this clown anywhere near our franchise. Besides the fact that I think he is an absolutely awful QB now, his absolute lack of self awareness is stunning. This whole article is a self congratulatory homage to how mentally tough he thinks he is because he’s had to persevere through one of the worst seasons I’ve seen a starting QB have in memory. There is zero acknowledgment that he’s even part of the problem. He spends more time discussing the difference in clothes he wears compared to Belichick. He has no chance of fixing his mechanical issues and becoming even a serviceable backup QB because he really doesn’t think he’s any part of the problem. I think Cam was allowed to get away with horrible mechanics for his career because he was such a physical specimen he could overcome it with arm strength and escapability. Now that he’s older and injuries have taken their toll, his flaws are horribly exposed and its been obvious all year he can barely throw a football anymore. No thanks. Combine that with a personality that is the exact opposite of “the process” and I can’t believe McBeane would let this guy west of Syracuse let alone in the building despite their familiarity with him. That’s a pretty rough take but I’d have to agree with some of your points. He definitely did succeed in large part because of his physical attributes and his competitiveness. Now that he has been hampered with injuries and Father Time his bad mechanics are no longer hidden by those great attributes he had. He could serve as a backup QB but the question is will he want to retire as one? His outsized personality makes it tough for me to believe he would accept being one but if he could mentally accept that and decide to contribute as one then he could be an asset, as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I didn’t read the story because I hate him more than Ed Oliver does. He’s a mental midget and I doubt he’ll ever play another game after tomorrow. jmo. 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I'm not going to pretend that I've followed Newton closely for the past few years. My impression has simply been that he's a self-absorbed jerk with phenomenal talent. But I watched him as closely as I could during the MNF game. Leave aside the douchiness. The man was a truly BAD quarterback. There's a reason he wasn't signed until July 2020, and he did ZERO to convince any team that he'd be a good option at backup, let alone a starter. Another Dennis Rodman. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, Chandler#81 said: I didn’t read the story because I hate him more than Ed Oliver does. He’s a mental midget and I doubt he’ll ever play another game after tomorrow. jmo. Hey, Chandler#81, they signed Cam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 No ill will towards Cam from this corner. He certainly looks done, though the pats gave him little to work with. One comparison between Cam and Josh that I hope we don't see come about...refs routinely swallowed their whistles because of Cam's size and athletic ability. Defenses were allowed to batter him unlike what was allowed with other QBs & the advantages that his body once gave him disappeared. I hope that Allen's similar size and terrific athletic ability do not cause refs to look the other way when Josh is hit. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 From reading all his quotes in the article, its hard to believe the Pats* ever signed him. I'll just leave it at that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Watching him throw the ball, he looks to be pretty much done to me. Looks like the injuries have finally taken their toll. Guy had a great run. Ride off into the sunset young man. Go raise your family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Bottom line is he’s not good. Teams can put up with the craziness if he’s performing. He never made the transition to a pocket QB. He still thought he was more power running back than QB. Josh would’ve suffered same fate but his transformation this year into a passing QB has been almost miraculous. Cam never thought he had to change. The MVP and super bowl appearance were fool’s gold. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Beerball said: No ill will towards Cam from this corner. He certainly looks done, though the pats gave him little to work with. One comparison between Cam and Josh that I hope we don't see come about...refs routinely swallowed their whistles because of Cam's size and athletic ability. Defenses were allowed to batter him unlike what was allowed with other QBs & the advantages that his body once gave him disappeared. I hope that Allen's similar size and terrific athletic ability do not cause refs to look the other way when Josh is hit. Don't worry, beerball, Josh has already proven he has a Lebron level flop when selling penalties and the zebras are obliging. Cam is a "diva" QB, and that shouldn't be a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: He'll be so busy shopping for babushkas Harvesting potatoes for the motherland 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Harvesting potatoes for the motherland Suddenly I’m hearing a lot of accordion-heavy leg slapping dance music 🎵 for some reason? 🧐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Watching him throw the ball, he looks to be pretty much done to me. Looks like the injuries have finally taken their toll. Guy had a great run. Ride off into the sunset young man. Go raise your family. Agreed - Cam's done - something not right with that throwing shoulder to be bouncing passes in front of receivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I hope the Cheaters keep him to be their starting QB, thinking they can fix him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Thank you for one of the greatest thread titles in the long history of this forum. 😂 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I'll take one of the backup QBs who would fall on top of a fumble in the Super Bowl. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Not sure if the NFL tracks this stat or not, but I'm pretty certain Cam would be the all time NFL leader in times shown on the sideline with a towel over his head sulking after another bad play of some sorts by him. I will give him that he has got somewhat better over the years, but likely because he and the team got better. Do recall seeing it surface after his fumble in the first Bills game. That is one thing that does scare me about Allen as he and Cam are almost identical in size, will Allen also suffer the same fate in about 10 years? I do feel the one thing Allen has going for him is that the Bills are asking him to rush much less now and instead win with his arm. Cam was never really asked much to do this either because his arm/mechanics wasn't good enough, or he didn't have as strong a team around him to realistically expect him to do that. Funny too in 2016 and 2017, Cam's completion percentage was 52.9 and 59.1%, just about the same as Allen's first two seasons which everyone ripped him for and stated he's a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RunTheBall said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/31/in-2020-cam-newton-learned-hes-a-mentally-tough-sob/#comments I don’t tend to start threads but I was browsing PFT and this little tidbit just blew my mind. I thought I’d share since there has been some discussion that Cam might be an option for backup QB for us next season. In my opinion, I don’t want this clown anywhere near our franchise. Besides the fact that I think he is an absolutely awful QB now, his absolute lack of self awareness is stunning. This whole article is a self congratulatory homage to how mentally tough he thinks he is because he’s had to persevere through one of the worst seasons I’ve seen a starting QB have in memory. There is zero acknowledgment that he’s even part of the problem. He spends more time discussing the difference in clothes he wears compared to Belichick. He has no chance of fixing his mechanical issues and becoming even a serviceable backup QB because he really doesn’t think he’s any part of the problem. I think Cam was allowed to get away with horrible mechanics for his career because he was such a physical specimen he could overcome it with arm strength and escapability. Now that he’s older and injuries have taken their toll, his flaws are horribly exposed and its been obvious all year he can barely throw a football anymore. No thanks. Combine that with a personality that is the exact opposite of “the process” and I can’t believe McBeane would let this guy west of Syracuse let alone in the building despite their familiarity with him. Reading through it, it says that it was a tough year for him and that going through it made him more resilient. What in the world is wrong with a word of anything he said? Nothing. He's not throwing anyone under the bus, he's not blaming anyone else. He's just saying it's been a tough year. Fair enough you don't want him near us. I don't either unless they fix his mechanics somehow. But what he said there was all just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Cam is out of the NFL after this weekend. He is done as a starter, and IMO he would not be a good backup/mentor to a young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Never liked him at Auburn and hated him more in the NFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 “Mentally tough SOBs” don’t need to tell people they are mentally tough. You just know by how they conduct themselves. Cam is a shining example of someone trying to convince himself and others that he is tough and good through talk as opposed to his actions. I would want absolutely nothing to do with Cam on the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Most Overrated QB in NFL History and there isn't even a close 2nd. This is undisputable fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Not sure if the NFL tracks this stat or not, but I'm pretty certain Cam would be the all time NFL leader in times shown on the sideline with a towel over his head sulking after another bad play of some sorts by him. I will give him that he has got somewhat better over the years, but likely because he and the team got better. Do recall seeing it surface after his fumble in the first Bills game. That is one thing that does scare me about Allen as he and Cam are almost identical in size, will Allen also suffer the same fate in about 10 years? I do feel the one thing Allen has going for him is that the Bills are asking him to rush much less now and instead win with his arm. Cam was never really asked much to do this either because his arm/mechanics wasn't good enough, or he didn't have as strong a team around him to realistically expect him to do that. Funny too in 2016 and 2017, Cam's completion percentage was 52.9 and 59.1%, just about the same as Allen's first two seasons which everyone ripped him for and stated he's a bust. I was a little surprised to see that Josh ran the ball 109 times last year and 100 times this year. Now that he's shown himself to be an elite passer I'd really like to see this number drop off in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: The Patriots didnt have a game on September 30th, or Christmas Eve, so there is absolutely no football related excuse for him missing his kids birthdays. Honestly hope Cam grows up because his biggest problem is his immaturity. For the record, Bill wears jeans and Patriots gear everyday because he doesnt spend time worrying about how he looks, because grown men dont do that on a daily. Maybe spend less time worrying about your "steez" and more time trying to get to your kids birthday parties. No football related excuse for him missing his kids birthdays? So, you know the Patriots practice schedules? You know the various travel problems he might have encountered getting from his place to his kids place? You know whether he might have a relative at home with a pre-existing health condition of some kind, and what doctors might have told him about whether he could possibly catch the new strain even though he's had the old one? Sorry, man, assuming there's no reason for him to miss an event when all the info you have is their game schedules, is acting on info that goes way way beyond incomplete. And the thing about grown men is that some care what they wear and some don't and when you pick through any list of people who are wildly successful, you'll find plenty of both. I didn't like the guy much early in his career either. But in New England he's really bought into their attempt to win through team-first ball and attitude. I'm a lot happier to see him losing there than winning, and his throwing has gone to hell, but he's been a good guy there from what I can see. Edited January 1, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Newton has had bad mechanics. He has really never improved. Now time and injury are exposing him. He is back up talent now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, chknwing334 said: “Mentally tough SOBs” don’t need to tell people they are mentally tough. You just know by how they conduct themselves. Cam is a shining example of someone trying to convince himself and others that he is tough and good through talk as opposed to his actions. I would want absolutely nothing to do with Cam on the Bills. "You know the type, loud as a motorbike, but wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight." 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, SageAgainstTheMachine said: I was a little surprised to see that Josh ran the ball 109 times last year and 100 times this year. Now that he's shown himself to be an elite passer I'd really like to see this number drop off in 2021. I have no problem with this. You take the yards where you can get them. What I'd like to see is him slide/go OOB and not take hits when he does run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I have no problem with this. You take the yards where you can get them. What I'd like to see is him slide/go OOB and not take hits when he does run. His YPC did go down so this may indicate he's already getting better at this or that there are fewer designed runs and more scrambles to get a few yards out of a busted play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Reading through it, it says that it was a tough year for him and that going through it made him more resilient. What in the world is wrong with a word of anything he said? Nothing. He's not throwing anyone under the bus, he's not blaming anyone else. He's just saying it's been a tough year. Fair enough you don't want him near us. I don't either unless they fix his mechanics somehow. But what he said there was all just fine. You make a good point, there isn’t anything inherently bad about what he said. It’s just one more in a long list of examples of his “woah is me” attitude. The guy always comes across as feeling sorry for himself when he’s been in the most privileged position in sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: I was a little surprised to see that Josh ran the ball 109 times last year and 100 times this year. Now that he's shown himself to be an elite passer I'd really like to see this number drop off in 2021. Guess I'm a bit surprised by that too as seemed much less. Do feel his runs this year were less contested in that he wasn't hit as much. He was mainly running when no one near him to take hits. Sacked much less too, down from 38 to 25 so less hits there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RunTheBall said: there has been some discussion that Cam might be an option for backup QB for us next season. Oh? Not really. Anyway, this guy was the most corrupt player to come out of the college football sausage maker. In the end, it was not his body that failed him, it was his low IQ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: Bottom line is he’s not good. Teams can put up with the craziness if he’s performing. He never made the transition to a pocket QB. He still thought he was more power running back than QB. Josh would’ve suffered same fate but his transformation this year into a passing QB has been almost miraculous. Cam never thought he had to change. The MVP and super bowl appearance were fool’s gold. This is simply false. In 2018, through the first 8 games, he was one of the best QBs in the league, and particularly from the pocket. The Panthers were 6-2 and he had 15 TD passes and 4 INTs. He was on pace for a second MVP season. He then injured his rotator cuff and was never the same. It is quite literally the worst injury a QB can suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Mentally tough or mentally shot or physically hurt? There is something wrong with his arm. There is no way a prior MVP QB sends that many balls into the turf. Could it be where the 2nd baseman can no longer throw a ball to the first baseman, i.e., in his head? Or could it be, there is something broken in his arm/shoulder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: No football related excuse for him missing his kids birthdays? So, you know the Patriots practice schedules? You know the various travel problems he might have encountered getting from his place to his kids place? You know whether he might have a relative at home with a pre-existing health condition of some kind, and what doctors might have told him about whether he could possibly catch the new strain even though he's had the old one? Sorry, man, assuming there's no reason for him to miss an event when all the info you have is their game schedules, is acting on info that goes way way beyond incomplete. And the thing about grown men is that some care what they wear and some don't and when you pick through any list of people who are wildly successful, you'll find plenty of both. I didn't like the guy much early in his career either. But in New England he's really bought into their attempt to win through team-first ball and attitude. I'm a lot happier to see him losing there than winning, and his throwing has gone to hell, but he's been a good guy there from what I can see. What we DO know is he’s a self-centered jag off who’s lost all skills to play football. Ergo, of course he’s towing the company line. Desperate NE* was the ONLY team who came calling with a lower than vet minimum mockery of a contract -and he’s lived down to it. 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: "You know the type, loud as a motorbike, but wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight." Yup, that's Cam Newton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerball said: I hope that Allen's similar size and terrific athletic ability do not cause refs to look the other way when Josh is hit. As a rookie that was the case. This year he’s gotten probably average NFL QB protection. And that one flag against the Rams where they had to protect the defense from Josh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Cam never matured all the way, the fumble moment says it all, he has never recovered from it. As to Cams career, put a fork in it... it’s done... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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