Week 16: Bills at Pats on MNF

[Solomon Grundy]

34 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i am with you. Or if Hyde is back there on punts, he needs to be told to fair catch every time. 
 

I don’t know why they don’t try McKenzie back there, at least on punts. The other guy that seems like he could be decent is Kumerow. Not sure how fast he is— but something about him makes me think he is fast enough and strong to at least have some decent kick returns. 

Did Kumerow return punts in GB?

[NickelCity]

19 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

i sort of remember that, but maybe have blocked out the negative plays--I can't remember him doing anything super bad. 

 

Fumbles.

[thenorthremembers]

23 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What happens if the Bills, Steelers and KC all end with 13-3 records?

KC is the 1 seed, Buffalo is 2, and Pittsburgh is 3.   I believe head to head is the 1st tie breaker.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

KC is the 1 seed, Buffalo is 2, and Pittsburgh is 3.   I believe head to head is the 1st tie breaker.

Why aren’t they showing them clinch #1 seed then? KC can’t be no worse than 13-3

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

KC is the 1 seed, Buffalo is 2, and Pittsburgh is 3.   I believe head to head is the 1st tie breaker.

That can’t be right. There has to be a way the bills can still be the 1 and that tie is the only literal possibility 

[MJS]

18 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

KC is the 1 seed, Buffalo is 2, and Pittsburgh is 3.   I believe head to head is the 1st tie breaker.

When it is a three way tie that changes, doesn't it? I think Bills would get the 1 seed in that scenario.

 

Edit: Looks like it would need to go to strength of victory.

 

Bills would need the NFC South to lose all their inter-division games except Atlanta vs Kansas City. Bills need Titans to win out. Baltimore needs to lose their remaining games. Colts need to lose one of their games, etc etc.

 

It's an extremely narrow window for 1 seed.

Edited December 23, 2020 by MJS

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

When it is a three way tie that changes, doesn't it? I think Bills would get the 1 seed in that scenario.

3 way tie, head to head doesn't count anymore. Buffalo would be #1. 

[BillsFan619]

9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why aren’t they showing them clinch #1 seed then? KC can’t be no worse than 13-3

Most likely it will be Chiefs #1, Buffalo #2 and Steelers #3. That said, there’s a crazy scenario or two (a lot of things have to happen) where the bills would be the #1 seed supposedly.

 

That’s why they haven’t technically clinched it yet.

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

3 way tie, head to head doesn't count anymore. Buffalo would be #1. 

It goes to strength of victory because no one would have a head to head sweep, all three teams would be 10-2 in the conference, and there aren't 4 common opponents.

 

The Bills need like 10 things to happen to boost their strength of victory.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

41 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Did Kumerow return punts in GB?

i was trying to figure that out, but couldn’t. However, in my research, I discovered he is cousins with the Bosa brothers! 

[jkeerie]

12 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Allen looked fine in the Titans game. It was our defense and a lot of drops and penalties that killed us. But Allen's play wasn't the problem in that game. He was passing it well. So basically I don't think his injury had the negative effect that some think it did.

 

I blame the two game losing stretch on 

 

1. Our schedule being flipped upside down

2. Our defense not being healthy

 

Pats game was just poor passing weather and a game plan to run the ball. You don't score as many points when you have a bigger commitment to the running game. Chiefs ran it down our throats and only scored 26 points and that included a FG in the final minutes just to get to 26.

I really can't agree with you that Josh's injury didn't have a negative effect on his play.  His accuracy was off during those games with the ball sailing high.  Even Hasselbeck said on ESPN that he had a similar injury in his non-throwing shoulder and wearing a brace threw his mechanics off...with the ball sailing high.  As to your other two points, I agree that scheduling and our defense not being healthy (especially Edmunds shoulder) impacted those games.

[BillsFan619]

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

When it is a three way tie that changes, doesn't it? I think Bills would get the 1 seed in that scenario.

 

Edit: Looks like it would need to go to strength of victory.

 

Bills would need the NFC South to lose all their inter-division games except Atlanta vs Kansas City. Bills need Titans to win out. Baltimore needs to lose their remaining games. Colts need to lose one of their games, etc etc.

 

It's an extremely narrow window for 1 seed.

You’re right, MJS. Good job explaining it.

 

I’m very excited about the possibilities of the #2 seed. Going from no home playoff games in 25 years to being guaranteed two home playoff games.

[BillsFan619]

7 hours ago, jkeerie said:

I really can't agree with you that Josh's injury didn't have a negative effect on his play.  His accuracy was off during those games with the ball sailing high.  Even Hasselbeck said on ESPN that he had a similar injury in his non-throwing shoulder and wearing a brace threw his mechanics off...with the ball sailing high.  As to your other two points, I agree that scheduling and our defense not being healthy (especially Edmunds shoulder) impacted those games.

Yeah, I saw that same interview with Hasselbeck. Once he explained it, it made sense to me why Josh seemed a little bit off during those few games.

 

This is one reason why it’s so important to not jump the gun (i.e. Edmunds sucks, Allen’s hot start to the season was a fluke, etc.) when someone struggles for a stretch.

 

We just don’t always have the context.

Edited December 24, 2020 by BillsFan619

[The Wiz]

On 12/22/2020 at 11:52 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

Here's the set Winters received.

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Here's the set Winters received.

 

Awesome.

[jkeerie]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Yeah, I saw that same interview with Hasselbeck. Once he explained it, it made sense to me why Josh seemed a little bit off during those few games.

 

This is one reason why it’s so important to not jump the gun (ie - Edmunds sucks, Allen’s start to the season was a fluke, etc.) when someone struggles for a stretch. We just don’t always have the context.

This especially makes sense when you see how much Allen worked on his mechanics in the off season to improve his accuracy.  Anything that would throw those mechanics off would have an impact.

[jkeerie]

30 minutes ago, MJS said:

When it is a three way tie that changes, doesn't it? I think Bills would get the 1 seed in that scenario.

 

Edit: Looks like it would need to go to strength of victory.

 

Bills would need the NFC South to lose all their inter-division games except Atlanta vs Kansas City. Bills need Titans to win out. Baltimore needs to lose their remaining games. Colts need to lose one of their games, etc etc.

 

It's an extremely narrow window for 1 seed.

I was just on the playoff machine and as I was setting teams that KC beat to lose, I have Bills winning out and Steelers winning out and KC losing out, Ravens to split.  Then I have in Week 16, Vikes over Saints, Phins over Raiders, Bengals over Texans.  In week 17, I set Raiders over Broncos.  That puts us in the number 1 seed.  Outside of KC losing out, this could be plausible.  So the chance is miniscule, but it does exist.  Nice job MJS!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

i sort of remember that, but maybe have blocked out the negative plays--I can't remember him doing anything super bad. 

 

2 fumbles (1 lost) and a TD in his first 4 games with us as a PR/KR

After which I think the PR duties returned to the sure-handed "Micah Slyde", and Andre Roberts got signed in the off-season.

[Chandler#81]

The Mad Scientist. 

I’ve said it before, he’s the very best. Probably ever.

 

[Warcodered]

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

27 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

The Mad Scientist. 

I’ve said it before, he’s the very best. Probably ever.

 

I made it 4 minutes. 
 

what a prick 

[wjag]

5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I made it 4 minutes. 
 

what a prick 

Less.  He’s as unwatchable as McDermott. 

[GoBills808]

33 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

The Mad Scientist. 

I’ve said it before, he’s the very best. Probably ever.

 

Translation: ‘Just let me get to the end of this year and retire so nobody gets to question why my winning percentage without Tom Brady is worse than Rex Ryan’s’

[Warcodered]

16 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I made it 4 minutes. 
 

what a prick 

 

10 minutes ago, wjag said:

Less.  He’s as unwatchable as McDermott. 

I mean it wasn't bad I thought it was kind of enjoyable that he was really only asked about two of his players the QBs which he continues to refuse to answer and the kicker, everything else was Bills.

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

44 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

The Mad Scientist. 

I’ve said it before, he’s the very best. Probably ever.

 

Good lord, he has to be the most miserable person on earth! Holy cow!!

though I wouldn’t be surprised if you were around him away from the game aspect that he is the funniest S.O.B. To be around!! I see visions of Steve Wright! Lol

[Chandler#81]

My point being I don’t think there’s ever been a HC who so thoroughly knows his opponent like him. Of course he’s an a-hole. McDermott can’t hold a candle to Darth for knowledge of his next opponent. If a guy didn’t play with Philly or Carolina, Sean is all ‘Who?😳🤓’ 

[GoBills808]

Belichick without Tom Brady: .445win%
 

Rex Ryan without Tom Brady: .489 win%

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[wjag]

32 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

I mean it wasn't bad I thought it was kind of enjoyable that he was really only asked about two of his players the QBs which he continues to refuse to answer and the kicker, everything else was Bills.

You never learn anything listening to McDermott.  It’s 20 minutes you won’t get back.  If I was a reporter and had to do that for a living, I would find it exasperating. They asked McDermott today about Newton and Stidham and he actually said they’re good QBs.  The Dark Lord on the other hand looks like he is pained to sit through this coaching charades show.  He just refuses to answer most questions.   

[Warcodered]

25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Not required? So it's not happening then. 

2 minutes ago, wjag said:

You never learn anything listening to McDermott.  It’s 20 minutes you won’t get back.  If I was a reporter and had to do that for a living, I would find it exasperating. They asked McDermott today about Newton and Stidham and he actually said they’re good QBs.  The Dark Lord on the other hand looks like he is pained to sit through this coaching charades show.  He just refuses to answer most questions.   

McDermott never creates bulletin board material or throws anyone under the bus it's just not something he does.

[RiotAct]

5 minutes ago, wjag said:

You never learn anything listening to McDermott.  It’s 20 minutes you won’t get back.  If I was a reporter and had to do that for a living, I would find it exasperating. They asked McDermott today about Newton and Stidham and he actually said they’re good QBs.  The Dark Lord on the other hand looks like he is pained to sit through this coaching charades show.  He just refuses to answer most questions.   

they ARE good quarterbacks... just maybe not good NFL quarterbacks

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

I really can't agree with you that Josh's injury didn't have a negative effect on his play.  His accuracy was off during those games with the ball sailing high.  Even Hasselbeck said on ESPN that he had a similar injury in his non-throwing shoulder and wearing a brace threw his mechanics off...with the ball sailing high.  As to your other two points, I agree that scheduling and our defense not being healthy (especially Edmunds shoulder) impacted those games.

 

I thought the Titans game was one of his better games. He had a decent QBR in that game.

[Warcodered]

 

[jkeerie]

59 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I thought the Titans game was one of his better games. He had a decent QBR in that game.

I'll give you that one.  Allen played pretty well in that game with the exception of one bad INT.  Roberts and our defense killed us along with too many flags.

[Rocky Landing]

25 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I'll give you that one.  Allen played pretty well in that game with the exception of one bad INT.  Roberts and our defense killed us along with too many flags.

To me that Tennessee game looked like our worst game of the season in terms of overall team performance. They all (including Allen) looked like they had been up drinking all night... ... ok, maybe not that bad... but they just looked tired...

 

Honestly, outside of KC, I feel like the Titans are perhaps the hardest matchup for us in the entire league. They're probably the most balanced offense in the NFL. Teams have to respect the run and the pass, and it's up to interpretation which is the bigger threat. And Vrabel is the real deal, as well. Having such a well balanced offense means that whatever weakness you show on defense may be exploited, and Vrabel is smart enough to recognize such weaknesses. Defending the Titans means being able to defend the entire field. 

 

There are teams that become easier to defend once they get into the red zone, because the field is compressed, and you can more easily take away what they do well. For the Titans, that becomes the moment that Vrabel exploits the opposing team's weaknesses.

 

If we can finish the season healthy on defense, I would want to face the Titans right away (assuming they make the playoffs, which I believe they will). 

 

[Unforgiven]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

The Mad Scientist. 

I’ve said it before, he’s the very best. Probably ever.

 

He's dreadful.

[Mat68]

17 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

To me that Tennessee game looked like our worst game of the season in terms of overall team performance. They all (including Allen) looked like they had been up drinking all night... ... ok, maybe not that bad... but they just looked tired...

 

Honestly, outside of KC, I feel like the Titans are perhaps the hardest matchup for us in the entire league. They're probably the most balanced offense in the NFL. Teams have to respect the run and the pass, and it's up to interpretation which is the bigger threat. And Vrabel is the real deal, as well. Having such a well balanced offense means that whatever weakness you show on defense may be exploited, and Vrabel is smart enough to recognize such weaknesses. Defending the Titans means being able to defend the entire field. 

 

There are teams that become easier to defend once they get into the red zone, because the field is compressed, and you can more easily take away what they do well. For the Titans, that becomes the moment that Vrabel exploits the opposing team's weaknesses.

 

If we can finish the season healthy on defense, I would want to face the Titans right away (assuming they make the playoffs, which I believe they will). 

 

That was a game til the 4th.  Buffalo has grown up since than imo.

[Rocky Landing]

Just now, Mat68 said:

That was a game til the 4th.  Buffalo has grown up since than imo.

Do doubt.

[The Wiz]

Planned I'm sure but funny.  (Tre calls Terry).

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

My point being I don’t think there’s ever been a HC who so thoroughly knows his opponent like him. Of course he’s an a-hole. McDermott can’t hold a candle to Darth for knowledge of his next opponent. If a guy didn’t play with Philly or Carolina, Sean is all ‘Who?😳🤓’ 

 

Do you seriously believe that McDermott does not know his next opponent?