Punching Bag Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 7:09 PM, mabden said: Give Daboll a lot of money in an extended contract with a clause stipulating that if the Bills win a Super Bowl, he is free to pursue Head Coaching options. NFL already has a policy that if a coach is taking a head coach position and a team cannot enforce contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 12:38 AM, reddogblitz said: We have to start the McDermott coaching tree 🌳sometime. How do you feel about how him being in both McDermott and Billicheat trees? Clearly so fair he has not picked up the cheating trait from Billicheat gene so that gene may be recessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 1:49 AM, LABILLBACKER said: I would feel alot less threatened by him if he was in Houston instead of Jacksonville or LA. Houston is a good and bad choice... good - He has a franchise QB in Watson with skill sets similar to Allen bad - Brien mortgaged the future of that team and left them high and dry in the draft well. The draft is sort of the lynch pin to bringing up a successful franchise and Daboll will be heavily hand cuffed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 At least the question now is how...not why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 First, we should never try and hold back a Coordinator for an opportunity for the job he’s always wanted which is what every Coordinator wants to accomplish. The exceptions I can think of is Monte Kiffin might have taken a College Head Coaching job, but at his age, he was happy with a phenomenal defense in Tampa. The Glaziers at Gruden’s request made him the highest paid Coordinaotr in the league and they won the SB in 2002. Living here, it was the talk non-stop down here. He stayed a couple more years and when Gruden started taking the team down by trying to get every over the hill player, Kiffin went to Tenn. The other is obvious Josh McDaniels is just out waiting BB. For Daboll, I can see two teams perfect for him. He goes to Houston on the contingency he gets to take Gaine with him as the GM. They have a good relationship so a perfect match. He has Watson and there are still good players on that team. The other is he has a relationship with Telesco as they both went to St. Francis within a couple of years (as well as Dave Caldwell and Chris Polian). Lynn is all but gone. Telesco would love to have Daboll groom their young QB, in Herbert. He’d be crazy to go to the Jests, Falcons, or Detroit. They have too much work ahead of them. With having a QB in place, amd the Chargers have over $33.5 mil. In cap space next year. The Texans are -$13.9 mil. and a lack of draft picks, if offered both, he should take the Chargers. The Chargers have a lot of talent on that team. It’s one of the rare examples that’s true they are better than their record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Anybody think Daboll and Schoen will go as a package deal somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Daboll is a product of Allen. Daboll needs Allen. Allen doesn't need Daboll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 20 hours ago, Limeaid said: NFL already has a policy that if a coach is taking a head coach position and a team cannot enforce contract. But don't we get a draft pick I honestly think he stays and signs an extension. He is a good fit. Home town. Loves the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 10:04 AM, Big Gun said: Daboll will get interviews but IMHO he won't be selected as a head coach. I just don't think he is head coach material. Could be, I don’t know a thing about him personally. Just because you are a great coordinator, doesn’t mean you are a head coach. The roles are very different and to be honest, had Josh not developed, Dabolls history is not good. His refusal to change his scheme to meet the talent of his team is also worrisome. He may be here for longer than the paranoid think, but then again Gase got a job sooo. 2 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Daboll is a product of Allen. Daboll needs Allen. Allen doesn't need Daboll. Last year makes your statements look correct. Lest we forget, his scheme played against everything his roster did well, this year Allen turns into a monster, with no formal off season to speak of and Daboll becomes a genius.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 9 hours ago, akcash said: Anybody think Daboll and Schoen will go as a package deal somewhere? Daboll and someone. Gaine, Schoen, Dawson or Morgan. I feel multiple bodies will be getting poached after we win the Super Bowl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, DCofNC said: Could be, I don’t know a thing about him personally. Just because you are a great coordinator, doesn’t mean you are a head coach. The roles are very different and to be honest, had Josh not developed, Dabolls history is not good. His refusal to change his scheme to meet the talent of his team is also worrisome. He may be here for longer than the paranoid think, but then again Gase got a job sooo. Last year makes your statements look correct. Lest we forget, his scheme played against everything his roster did well, this year Allen turns into a monster, with no formal off season to speak of and Daboll becomes a genius.. Daboll is just an instrument the anti-JA media uses to take credit away from JA. Nothing more. Do not fall for it. Daboll is a nobody. Before 2020, nobody ever talked about Daboll in a positive light. JA will win MVP next season by taking another big leap WITHOUT Daboll. Daboll will have a losing record coaching another team with a different QB. By then, everyone will realize that JA created Daboll, which I knew from the beginning. Edited December 26, 2020 by JoshAllenReceipts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Daboll is a product of Allen. Daboll needs Allen. Allen doesn't need Daboll. They need each other. Neither will be quite as good without the other. It's harder to find an Allen than a Daboll, but Herbert or Watson are extremely good-looking young QBs. Daboll was considered smart and a good OC since he got here. He had a head coaching interview last year, so the argument he wasn't talked about positively till now is pure nonsense. He's damn smart. Doesn't guarantee he'll be a good HC, but he's without question an excellent OC. It's not a sure thing Daboll goes but that's the way to bet. If he does, who they get to replace him will be important. Edited December 26, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I know it isn’t about this, but...a start might be making him the highest paid offensive coordinator in NFL history. ...I just think there will be too many jobs with good young QBs, especially the Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I know it isn’t about this, but...a start might be making him the highest paid offensive coordinator in NFL history. ...I just think there will be too many jobs with good young QBs, especially the Chargers. There will likely be 8 job openings, many with good young QB's now, or will be drafted with the top 2 picks this season. I imagine it's going to be difficult to turn down a 5 year 15 million dollar contract. I think it's a safe bet that he is gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: They need each other. Neither will be quite as good without the other. It's harder to find an Allen than a Daboll, but Herbert or Watson are extremely good-looking young QBs. Daboll was considered smart and a good OC since he got here. He had a head coaching interview last year, so the argument he wasn't talked about positively till now is pure nonsense. He's damn smart. Doesn't guarantee he'll be a good HC, but he's without question an excellent OC. It's not a sure thing Daboll goes but that's the way to bet. If he does, who they get to replace him will be important. Allen doesn't need Daboll. Like, not even a teeny bit. Allen will be even better in 2021 without Daboll. Allen will be the League MVP in 2021 without Daboll. 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: They need each other. Neither will be quite as good without the other. It's harder to find an Allen than a Daboll, but Herbert or Watson are extremely good-looking young QBs. Daboll was considered smart and a good OC since he got here. He had a head coaching interview last year, so the argument he wasn't talked about positively till now is pure nonsense. He's damn smart. Doesn't guarantee he'll be a good HC, but he's without question an excellent OC. It's not a sure thing Daboll goes but that's the way to bet. If he does, who they get to replace him will be important. I sure as hell hope that Daboll does go. That way Josh can dominate without him, and kill another false narrative. All Josh does is kill false narratives. This whole Daboll thing is just the latest false narrative that Allen is going to destroy down the line. Good. Always need a false narrative to keep Allen motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 5 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Daboll is just an instrument the anti-JA media uses to take credit away from JA. Nothing more. Do not fall for it. Daboll is a nobody. Before 2020, nobody ever talked about Daboll in a positive light. JA will win MVP next season by taking another big leap WITHOUT Daboll. Daboll will have a losing record coaching another team with a different QB. By then, everyone will realize that JA created Daboll, which I knew from the beginning. 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: They need each other. Neither will be quite as good without the other. It's harder to find an Allen than a Daboll, but Herbert or Watson are extremely good-looking young QBs. Daboll was considered smart and a good OC since he got here. He had a head coaching interview last year, so the argument he wasn't talked about positively till now is pure nonsense. He's damn smart. Doesn't guarantee he'll be a good HC, but he's without question an excellent OC. It's not a sure thing Daboll goes but that's the way to bet. If he does, who they get to replace him will be important. Rick Dennison is available; he is offensive line coach and run game coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings. That would establish if Daboll is a nobody or Daboll has helped make Allen the QB he is. The fact that Daboll gets an idea and calls Allen tends to indicate it is a cooperative effort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 make him a "coaching assistant". NE did that and he hung around there for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Hometown discount baby come in Daboll. Or should I say Stayboll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I'm $ure there'$ a way for owner$hip to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 You don't keep Daboll. This is the territory Bills fans have not been in for years: having a good team with coaches who may be prospects for HC jobs. Same as having good players you choose not to re-sign because they play positions of lesser value. And so, you have to replace them via the draft and allocate cap dollars to more important positions. This is the price of success. I will take it every year if it means having an 11+ win team. I get that people like familiarity with players, coaches, front office staff, etc. But things change and good teams identify those you can't exist without. Right now, Buffalo identified 2 as McD and Beane in management. On-field, for now, it's Allen, Dawkins, Tre, and I guess we'll find out. Enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 It’s pretty simple how to keep him. Keep him too busy during a deep playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 'How do we keep Daboll around?' Taking a page from the Jets' O line, let the air out of his tires. Edited December 26, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 The good thing is Josh Allen is our QB which would make this a top desired opening. It’s not like it was when Tyrod was our QB. Perfect fit for a young up and comer who needs to beef up their resume to get their HC opportunity. Sean McDermott would be Don Corleone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/sports/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/monday-morning-quarterback-december-28/77-69bda919-4a98-4a63-b4c2-d65e0c8c0c50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Jacksonville has a lot of things going for it especially with the #1 pick locked up. That said I think organizationally they are suspect. If Daboll is going to go there as HC I hope he gets strong and specific language preventing ownership doing a bait and switch. As the Bills have shown there needs to be stability and the process takes time to bring change. I'd be worried that as soon as the Jags taste any kind of success ownership will forget about the process and meddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) If Saint Doug gets fired, that job belongs to Eric Bienemy and no one else. The league will do everything in its power to get him that job. He deserves it, if he wants it. Edited December 28, 2020 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: If Saint Doug gets fired, that job belongs to Eric Bienemy and no one else. The league will do everything in its power to get him that job. He deserves it, if he wants it. The league can't wont force a guy on a specific franchise. There'll be several jobs available with good or really good QBs for Biememy to work his magic. He might prefer to work with a proven guy like Watson over the rookie in Jacksonville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: The league can't wont force a guy on a specific franchise. There'll be several jobs available with good or really good QBs for Biememy to work his magic. He might prefer to work with a proven guy like Watson over the rookie in Jacksonville You don’t think that the league PR machine, which Kahn is a part of, would see the value in putting Bienemy and Lawrence together. Jacksonville is loaded with defensive talent. They need a coach and someone who has the confidence of the Kahn family, to do what’s been done in Buffalo. Bienemy has been ready to run a team, and groom a QB, for a few years now. It makes more sense there, than any other place for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: You don’t think that the league PR machine, which Kahn is a part of, would see the value in putting Bienemy and Lawrence together. Jacksonville is loaded with defensive talent. They need a coach and someone who has the confidence of the Kahn family, to do what’s been done in Buffalo. Bienemy has been ready to run a team, and groom a QB, for a few years now. It makes more sense there, than any other place for him. I'm not saying that he won't end up there. I'm saying that he will have choices and that it'll be up to him. I thought your original point was that he would be forced on the Kahn family by the league. I'm just saying that he will have multiple suiters. My guess is he'll end up in Houston with Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff76ers Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 8:40 AM, DaggersEOD said: I think if we “back up the brinks truck” for him to show that we acknowledge his skills/talent it could blunt the draw of a HC position. I have also heard that him and JA are like BFFs and that has to count for something. I think being a part of a potentially historic team is better than a potential HC position where we can potentially fall on his face when he doesn’t have a transcendent QB. I can't believe they didn't offer an extension already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I'm not saying that he won't end up there. I'm saying that he will have choices and that it'll be up to him. I thought your original point was that he would be forced on the Kahn family by the league. I'm just saying that he will have multiple suiters. My guess is he'll end up in Houston with Watson. Houston just has so little talent, no cap space (which i still don’t understand who they are paying) and they have limited draft capital. You need a franchise QB to win it all. But you need a franchise first, and Houston is a total mess. To me, Jacksonville is the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Jags with all those draft picks and Lawrence would be a dream job. Get the right gm and coach combo and they can win fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I hope that Daboll waits for a promising opening and not just an opening for a perennial loser like the Jets and teams like that.. In the event that Daboll does leave, the Bills should be able to attract the best and brightest minds to work with Allen.. Who wouldn’t want to work with an MVP finalist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/26/2020 at 1:40 PM, BillsVet said: You don't keep Daboll. This is the territory Bills fans have not been in for years: having a good team with coaches who may be prospects for HC jobs. Same as having good players you choose not to re-sign because they play positions of lesser value. And so, you have to replace them via the draft and allocate cap dollars to more important positions. This is the price of success. I will take it every year if it means having an 11+ win team. I get that people like familiarity with players, coaches, front office staff, etc. But things change and good teams identify those you can't exist without. Right now, Buffalo identified 2 as McD and Beane in management. On-field, for now, it's Allen, Dawkins, Tre, and I guess we'll find out. Enjoy the ride. This. Plus if the Bills can become a farm system for other teams head coaching openings, we are going to attract the best coordinators and position coaches which will ultimately keep this engine running at full throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 9:40 AM, DaggersEOD said: I think if we “back up the brinks truck” for him to show that we acknowledge his skills/talent it could blunt the draw of a HC position. I have also heard that him and JA are like BFFs and that has to count for something. I think being a part of a potentially historic team is better than a potential HC position where we can potentially fall on his face when he doesn’t have a transcendent QB. Problem is, Jax and LA would both have that kind of QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 If we don't win the SB, I can see Dabol maybe trying to stay and continue that goal with Josh. As we know they're extremely close. If we win it all or even win the AFC , I think he's gone ,maybe his great bonds here can keep him for another year or 2. Has Ken Dorsey ever been an OC? Has any recent coordinators declined a HC job? Josh McDaniels? Did he get an offer after Denver? Can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I’m curious to see how Covid protocols and playoff teams will factor into the hires this off season. Playoff teams will likely block in-person interviews until they’re out of the hunt. That might provide an advantage to coordinators on teams that are out of the hunt early. Some of the owners and GMs might not want to wait until after the super bowl to see a HC hire face to face. That last point is really the only way I see Daboll being here next season.... assuming he won’t just take the Pettine route of grabbing whatever HC job he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/27/2020 at 3:30 PM, Royale with Cheese said: The good thing is Josh Allen is our QB which would make this a top desired opening. It’s not like it was when Tyrod was our QB. Perfect fit for a young up and comer who needs to beef up their resume to get their HC opportunity. Sean McDermott would be Don Corleone. Seems more likely that we promote from within instead of hiring an outsider who would probably want to run their own scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Technically, there is no salary cap on coaches. So they could simply offer him HC money to stay. Trouble is, front offices won't pay coordinators HC money because it would set a bad precedent. I believe this kind of thing would be frowned on by the league's owners. You would think he would be motivated to stick around because it's his home town, he has been very successful here, and it's become an enviable organization to work for. I'm sure he makes a comfortable enough salary, too. Being a head coach isn't for everyone - maybe he understands the grass isn't always greener and just stays put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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