Realistic Trade Scenario- One player

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Kerrigan pleaseeeee

I'll one up you... Harrison Smith

I’d rather have Kendrick’s for this bills team 💯 

[LABILLBACKER]

I'd be down for sending a 3rd(2021) & 5th(2022) to the Jets for QW. A younger 1 tech teamed with Ed would be a great tandem. We'd have to find a creative way out of Star's contract. The most urgent problem with this team today is the DL. We can't wait till next year. 

[GreggTX]

I like Engram too, but Washington has 3 pretty good DT's on their roster and any one of them would be a big help. I'm not sure about edge rushers or guards.

[Paulus]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Fletcher Cox

 

 

"Realistic"

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If you do that I don’t think you can also resign Edmunds. 

 Good 

Anyone saying any DT is still ignoring the fact that it’s a part-time position in this defense. 

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'd be down for sending a 3rd(2021) & 5th(2022) to the Jets for QW. A younger 1 tech teamed with Ed would be a great tandem. We'd have to find a creative way out of Star's contract. The most urgent problem with this team today is the DL. We can't wait till next year. 

how do you not still understand that investing in the DT position is a waste of assets? 

[machine gun kelly]

He’s temporarily injured, but Zack Ertz.  Philly will be $70 mil. over next year, and they have the younger version in Croom and Butler.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I'm guessing Beane is working on a deal for someone because I don't understand why he wouldn't have traded for Yannick. 

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, delirious said:

Geno Atkins 

 

We need a good defensive lineman. Cincy isn't going anywhere this year with how the Steelers and Ravens are playing. 

 

I like this idea, and any scenario involving a Linebacker.

 

Really, any help in the front seven on defense.

[DCOrange]

I like the Desmond King mention. I think a corner would probably be ideal if we're only getting one player. I'd settle for a depth LB or DT as well. I liked the Tomlinson idea as a realistic DT option.

 

I would absolutely love to get Quinnen Williams but I'm guessing the Jets would just keep him before they trade him to us.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

7 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Make sure you start every proposal with “hear me out”. 

I'm using "With all due respect" in front of everything that I say from now on, its the get out of jail free card for saying anything. 

[Playoffs?]

Don’t care. Just a stud on defense. Any position works. 

[dpberr]

Kyle Rudolph, TE, Vikings

 

Not a blockbuster, but it'd shore up that position. Without a running game, the Bills need that TE position to be a realistic threat for the opposing defense. Relying on the receivers to do it all is one dimensional.

[racketmaster]

I understand the urge to trade for players, especially with the team struggling the last few games. However, it is generally not a good idea to trade draft picks for veteran players. Teams trading players are usually doing it for a reason (eg. player locker room issue, unhappy about contract, aging and no longer playing at previous level). 
 

So what generally happens when a team trades for a player at the deadline is that they get a veteran on an expiring contract or a contract the player wants renegotiated. Teams giving up draft picks for half season rentals or players they then have to pay generally do not make sense. Teams need to build through the draft as that is the only way a team can acquire young talent at a cheap cost. 
 

Look at the Khalil Mack trade that the Raiders got blasted for a few years back. 2 first round picks and a huge contract had to be handed out. Is Mack a great player, yes. But he is just one player and not a quarterback so the Bears have not really been any closer to winning a championship with him and now they lost 2 first round draft picks and allocated a significant amount of cap dollars to a  single defensive player. Teams trading a player like Mack don’t win the trade the day they make it but almost always win it down the road. 
 

Another example is our very own Kelvin Benjamin. There was a reason Carolina traded him for a 3rd. At the time, the move felt necessary but pretty quickly we realized we would be better off having another young draft pick like Singletary, Knox, Moss etc. rather than a Benjamin that ended up being a complete waste of a day 2 pick. 
 

A non deadline deal, such as the Diggs trade, is also beginning to show the potential dangers even when the player being traded for is good. Diggs has been just about as good as advertised but unless he helps us win the Super Bowl this year, it probably ends up favoring the Vikings. Jefferson was the next Wr in the draft and the player we could have selected at that spot in a deep wr draft. Jefferson will be a cap value for the next 4 years and even on his 5th year option and he has been good. While Diggs has a pretty reasonable contract for a vet it still costs us another premium lineman or safety free agent contract plus the other cheap labor mid round picks we gave up. It was a pretty costly deal even with Diggs producing and all it takes is at the end of the year or the next for Diggs to hold out asking for another contract like most every top vet player does and this becomes a not so good deal for the Bills. Pay market value (meaning the team gets no value as player is being paid at or more their worth) or he becomes distraction or is traded himself. I understand Diggs was a sure thing but whenever trading for a vet it is also a sure thing that the contract is a problem or will become a problem to the point where the player cannot perform at the level necessary to be a value at their contract. 
 

Are there deals that can work, sure. Sometimes teams are having fire sales and accumulating as many draft picks as they can but unless that player is going to be essential to winning a Super Bowl that year, it is better to hold onto the picks. 

[T master]

Who ever it might be i would want it to be on the D because they just are not getting any penetration with the front 4 which is missing from last year ! 

[whatdrought]

52 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Kyle Rudolph, TE, Vikings

 

Not a blockbuster, but it'd shore up that position. Without a running game, the Bills need that TE position to be a realistic threat for the opposing defense. Relying on the receivers to do it all is one dimensional.

 

That’s a sneaky good idea I hadn’t heard yet.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 hours ago, McBean said:

Who’s the one player you want in a realistic trade? (Not madden)

 

For me it’s Evan Engram. 
 

The Giants suck so I think they would be willing to listen.

 

Engram would be a perfect fit for this offense and we are in desperate need for a TE.

 

I’d be ok with sending them a third.

 

Who would you like?

Just for his postgame remarks last night ("it's a sucky feeling...") Engram and his potential Bills candidacy are banished to Rura Penthe. 😠
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[whatdrought]

About 4 dudes on the giants DL I wouldn’t mind trading for:

 

Markus Golden, DE

Leonard Williams, DT (would be a three tech here so probably not a great fit) 

Dexter Lawrence, DT (sure they won’t trade him) 

BJ Hill, DT (big dude) 

Dalvin Tomlinson, DT (my preference) 

 

Ideally, Tomlinson would be great and right now is the time to do it as he could clear covid protocols and be available for the Pats game.

[Gmoneybills]

14 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I guess if you’d force my hand I’d call river boat Ron and ask for a price tag on Da’Ron Payne or possibly Kerrigan. Maybe even Rueben Foster if he’s almost about to come off IR 

Rueben Foster would be quite the snag 

[Logic]

15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What would GB's or the Rams motivation to move these guys be?

In GB’s case, Jackson hasn’t adapted well to their man-heavy scheme. He’s not a plus player for them. Here’s an article from a year ago about his struggles and diminished playing time.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lombardiave.com/2019/10/24/packers-happened-josh-jackson/amp/

 

The hope, of course, is that he’s a better fit for what McDermott likes to do. He’s a rangy, long limbed player with good instincts and a nose for the ball — or at least he was at Iowa.

 

In the Chargers’ case, King is in the last year of his deal. He would only be available if they don’t plan to re-sign him to an extension.

5 hours ago, dpberr said:

Kyle Rudolph, TE, Vikings

 

Not a blockbuster, but it'd shore up that position. Without a running game, the Bills need that TE position to be a realistic threat for the opposing defense. Relying on the receivers to do it all is one dimensional.

 

 

4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

That’s a sneaky good idea I hadn’t heard yet.

 

Bills have 3.5 mil in cap space. Rudolph is at 7.5 mil this season. Bills can’t afford him.

[Mark Vader]

Dalvin Tomlinson or Tak McKinley

Edited October 23, 2020 by Mark Vader

[Chicharito]

Mike Gesicki TE Miami underused George Kittle type IMO 

[billsfan89]

Engram leads the league in drops since 2017, i would rather trade for Devin Tomlinson from the Giants. 

[LABILLBACKER]

23 hours ago, Chemical said:

 Good 

Anyone saying any DT is still ignoring the fact that it’s a part-time position in this defense. 

how do you not still understand that investing in the DT position is a waste of assets? 

You're right, we usually just go with 4 DE's every play. How silly of me.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You're right, we usually just go with 4 DE's every play. How silly of me.

9th overall pick. 3rd round pick. And two mid level free agents this summer. Not to mention star. You want them to trade for someone else?

[aristocrat]

Any teams selling a cb?  

[DCofNC]

On 10/22/2020 at 9:36 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If you do that I don’t think you can also resign Edmunds. 

Addition by subtraction is fine.

[kkim0904]

Quentin William from Jets

[Sherlock Holmes]

On 10/22/2020 at 8:45 PM, McBean said:

Who’s the one player you want in a realistic trade? (Not madden)

 

For me it’s Evan Engram. 
 

The Giants suck so I think they would be willing to listen.

 

Engram would be a perfect fit for this offense and we are in desperate need for a TE.

 

I’d be ok with sending them a third.

 

Who would you like?

Mcbean, go get me Christian McCaffrey and TJ Watt

[Buffalo Junction]

21 hours ago, Logic said:

In GB’s case, Jackson hasn’t adapted well to their man-heavy scheme. He’s not a plus player for them. Here’s an article from a year ago about his struggles and diminished playing time.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lombardiave.com/2019/10/24/packers-happened-josh-jackson/amp/

 

The hope, of course, is that he’s a better fit for what McDermott likes to do. He’s a rangy, long limbed player with good instincts and a nose for the ball — or at least he was at Iowa.

He’s certainly a bad fit for GBs scheme. The issue with prying him away is that Kevin King is injured & out, Alexander is playing injured, and Savage (safety) is injured as well. I doubt GB let’s Jackson go for a draft pick. Probably have to be a player for player trade that fixes a hole somewhere for GB...... a Nsekhe comes to mind since Baktiari is injured. 
 

As for how Jackson would fit here....

He is at his best playing off ball in a zone defense. He’s a bit stiff, and too slow to excel in man. He does have good burst and it shows. He’s also effective if he can get the ball in his hands and is competent returning punts. Honestly, he’s physically very similar to another former Hawkeye - Micah Hyde - in size and combine performance.

[machine gun kelly]

We should be looking for players who are on teams on sale like NO, Philly, Giants, MN, and Jests etc.  Either way over the cap, or they are going nowhere.  
 

I understand Q. Williams, even Ertz although hurt, or one of the MN guys, but NO’s guys are old.  Guys like McCafrey, and Cox are either too expensive or would never be dealt ever.

 

Thats like previous years we had posters saying trade for Rodgers.  Like that would happen.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 10/23/2020 at 2:36 AM, Paulus said:

"Realistic"

 

😛

 

 

[Da webster guy]

Engram was a 1st rounder, has good talent.  He only gets about 3 catches a game, Daboll would probably up that number for him.  

[GreggTX]

With Norman out and Wallace on IR, we are VERY weak at that outside CB spot, but who could come right in and play? It would have to be someone that played for McDermott before and I have no idea who that might be, if anyone. I still can't believe they just let Spain walk. I bet they're regretting that move now. I honestly don't see Beane panicking, though. We'll probably just ride this injury bug out and hope we can still make it to the postseason relatively intact.

17 hours ago, kkim0904 said:

Quentin William from Jets

 

He has shown almost nothing so far. He's been no better than an average DT. I'd rather draft a DT next Spring.

Edited October 25, 2020 by GreggTX

[BigDingus]

On 10/23/2020 at 7:05 PM, Chicharito said:

Mike Gesicki TE Miami underused George Kittle type IMO 

 

There's no way Miami would let him go, but damn would that be a nice addition.

[machine gun kelly]

I didn’t take this thread that seriously given the available cap, and cap next year, but there is an article in the SU paper this morning about a possible trade for Dalvin Tomlinson (Giants), or Tim Settle (Washington).  Tomlinson is a little over $1.1 mil, and the made the comment Settle is even cheaper, about $800k, and is the 5th best rated DT against the run.  He’s under contract through 2021 as well, so this is one that does make sense.  We can afford this contract, need help against the run badly, and kind of fills the Star role.  If he works out really well, I’m not sure of any cap savings cutting Star.  I’m not advocating that as I like Star, but it’s a consideration if Settle immediately made our run defense significantly better.  Allows the other guys who are more of a 3 technique player to do their job.

 

Read the article guys as it’s on the main board and tell me you’re thoughts.  I just like plugging a hole with a very manageable contract that doesn’t rob from next year that much.  Why they stated he could be available is the Red....., are so deep on their line, and they are now at 1-5 in their record.  Then, the reporter made the comment that Rivera and McD have a strong relationship and would be most likely willing to work with each other on a reasonable trade.

 

He was convincing to me, and he stated could make more sense than Tomlinson especially as we’d have a young DT for two years, not one with Settle.  I liked it as it was smart and affordable.  It’s better than silly comments about players that would never be traded and is not incredibly expensive that we can’t afford.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 hours ago, kkim0904 said:

Quentin William from Jets

"Here, Quinnen, I packed your gear.  You're over in the Bills' locker room"

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Williams thinks to himself "SAVED!!!"