New Injuries: Ford, Lewis, Dodson

[YoloinOhio]

Ford carted off last night - 
 

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[LabattBlue]

I didn’t know a player could get hurt on a play where he whiffed so badly.  😱

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Back the Blue said:

I didn’t know a player could get hurt on a play where he whiffed so badly.  😱

 

[H2o]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

That doesn't sound good. We have been relatively healthy these last couple of seasons for the most part. This year, probably due to the weird offseason we had, it is catching up with us more. 

[SCBills]

When the DL can’t stop anything, it’s no wonder we have the walking wounded at linebacker now.  
 

That unit is truly destroying the entire team.  
 

No run stopping ability and the linebackers are in the line of fire every play.  Edmunds has been hurt all year.  Milano is missing multiple games.  Dodson hurt again.  

 

No pass rushing ability and our secondary has to cover for an eternity.  
 

Just a gross collection of players up front. 

[H2o]

Just now, SCBills said:

When the DL can’t stop anything, it’s no wonder we have the walking wounded at linebacker now.  
 

That unit is truly destroying the entire team.  
 

No run stopping ability and the linebackers are in the line of fire every play.  Edmunds has been hurt all year.  Milano is missing multiple games.  Dodson hurt again.  

 

No pass rushing ability and our secondary has to cover for an eternity.  
 

Just a gross collection of players up front. 

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather have Phillips and Lawson over Jefferson, Butler, and Addison. 

[thebandit27]

If Mongo can come back that’d be huge. 
 

Roll out Spain at LG and Mongo at RG. Winters and Ford have been atrocious.

[atlbillsfan1975]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

If Mongo can come back that’d be huge. 
 

Roll out Spain at LG and Mongo at RG. Winters and Ford have been atrocious.

I have to agree with this, William at RT would be an upgrade over Ford’s play last year as well. In theory, we’d see a better line than last year. 
Dodson and Lewis is tough to absorb given they are backups playing for injured starters.

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

If Mongo can come back that’d be huge. 
 

Roll out Spain at LG and Mongo at RG. Winters and Ford have been atrocious.

Spain is hurt I think but maybe he can come back. I think mongo was targeting week 7 so fingers crossed 

[LABILLBACKER]

30 minutes ago, SCBills said:

When the DL can’t stop anything, it’s no wonder we have the walking wounded at linebacker now.  
 

That unit is truly destroying the entire team.  
 

No run stopping ability and the linebackers are in the line of fire every play.  Edmunds has been hurt all year.  Milano is missing multiple games.  Dodson hurt again.  

 

No pass rushing ability and our secondary has to cover for an eternity.  
 

Just a gross collection of players up front. 

The role of a linebacker is not to be a DT. Losing Jordan & Star and replacing them with Butler & Jefferson is useless. And obviously Ed needs Star more than we ever thought. The play of the DL has made every LB/DB look terrible. Complete trickle down.

[gordong]

none of these guys move the needle anyway..  Ford doesn't seem to be able to run block worth a damn.  

[Sharky7337]

20 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The role of a linebacker is not to be a DT. Losing Jordan & Star and replacing them with Butler & Jefferson is useless. And obviously Ed needs Star more than we ever thought. The play of the DL has made every LB/DB look terrible. Complete trickle down.

My God the re gurgitating of the star is the reason narrative is starting to get old. People are just spitting out a popular board take at this point and honestly who knows if he would even make a difference.

[Seoulofstone]

50 minutes ago, H2o said:

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather have Phillips and Lawson over Jefferson, Butler, and Addison. 

 

 Addison is on schedule for 8-10 sacks which few here thought he would reach. That's fine IMO. Butler and Jefferson have obviously been expensive duds. Phillips got $30 mill over 4 years but his cap hit next year is $12, so it would have been tough. Lawson is solid (better than Murphy and Hughes) but not an elite rusher. 

[Seoulofstone]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ford carted off last night - 
 

 

 

 It's unfortunate for them but Lewis and Dodson injuries shouldn't be pivotal. They are promising fringe players. Ford is a starting guard but he's not lived up to his dominant billing from the draft. I think Spain is fine. I hope that they can accept that the Winters signing hasn't worked and relegate him to depth.

[BITE ME]

Injuries are a major factor with the Bills. It happens without a real training camp.  They bye week is perfectly situated. They get to 7-3 and get healthy over the bye week and they can make the playoff push with a healthy team.  I think there are going to be a lot of injuries early on just due to conditioning.

[Mrbojanglezs]

Could very well be an ACL for Ford, we'll see

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather have Phillips and Lawson over Jefferson, Butler, and Addison. 

Unfortunately, that's true this morning.  Plus Star.  

 

The defensive line last season could stand it's ground.  Not this season.

[dorquemada]

12 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

Injuries are a major factor with the Bills. It happens without a real training camp.  They bye week is perfectly situated. They get to 7-3 and get healthy over the bye week and they can make the playoff push with a healthy team.  I think there are going to be a lot of injuries early on just due to conditioning.

 

Lets not put the Jets game in the win column yet.  Waiting to see Frank Gore drop 200 on them

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

At this point the entire defense is a mess.

 

People want edmunds benched... but milano and dodson are banged up so... not sure who you want to put in.

Klein - same thing.

Dline - they did bench guys, the new guys didn't do much either.  

Nickel CB is a struggle.  Norman made a nice play, but lets not forget how absolutely toasted he got the week before.  

The safeties aren't playing as well either.  Poyer has to make a play on that ball to kelce - not sure if he was worried about him breaking in on a post.  I wouldn't blame white there as it seemed like cover 2 so he has the crosser in front.  He bails for kelce and the crosser probably walks in anyway.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Passing without comment on the network (SHAMEFUL!)  and I haven't seen mentioned here.

 

Cody Ford was injured on the failed 4th and 1 conversion at the start of the 4th Q.  I saw him being attended to on the field and in the glimpse the network allowed us, it appeared to me they were focused on his knee.  "Return doubtful".

 

Any information?  He takes a lot of hate here but he would be a big, big loss to our OL

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I didn't really see a difference after [Ford] was injured so I didn't think it was worth mentioning. I will rewatch the game tonight to confirm.

[Simon]

No update but a couple additions:

 

I think [Ford] was actually hurt on the 3rd down play but could not get off the field and ended up stranded out there for the 4th down effort.

The way they were manipulating his knee looked to me like a standard on-the-spot ACL diagnosis they do on the field.

It also looked to me like Ford was not tolerating it well at all. 😔

[billieve420]

20 minutes ago, dneveu said:

At this point the entire defense is a mess.

 

People want edmunds benched... but milano and dodson are banged up so... not sure who you want to put in.

Klein - same thing.

Dline - they did bench guys, the new guys didn't do much either.  

Nickel CB is a struggle.  Norman made a nice play, but lets not forget how absolutely toasted he got the week before.  

The safeties aren't playing as well either.  Poyer has to make a play on that ball to kelce - not sure if he was worried about him breaking in on a post.  I wouldn't blame white there as it seemed like cover 2 so he has the crosser in front.  He bails for kelce and the crosser probably walks in anyway.

 

There appears to be some miscommunication between White and Poyer on that Kelce TD. Looks like White is motioning to someone to pick up Kelce so not sure if they switched it up based on the look the offense gave them but for a veteran group can't be having those type of breakdowns. Have to know that Kelce is their main red zone target and he should be the last one catching the ball.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 hour ago, gordong said:

none of these guys move the needle anyway..  Ford doesn't seem to be able to run block worth a damn.  

I agree, for such a big guy he plays like a pussycat. I can't count how many times he has tried to block the invisible man and fall on the ground. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, Simon said:

No update but a couple additions:

 

I think he was actually hurt on the 3rd down play but could not get off the field and ended up stranded out there for the 4th down effort.

The way they were manipulating his knee looked to me like a standard on-the-spot ACL diagnosis they do on the field.

It also looked to me like Ford was not tolerating it well at all. 😔

 

That would explain why our normally reliable 4th and 1 sneak didn't.

 

In hindsight, we would still have received an injury time out so perhaps it would have been better for Ford to show himself injured and bring in a healthy body up front.

 

The ACL bit is what I thought I saw as well. 

 

I think I'll merge this in with Yolo's thread.

[FlaFitz1]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ford carted off last night - 
 

 

 With all of the injuries to the CBs I wonder if the Bills might kick the tires on Trumaine Johnson. Tramon Williams is available too but he's up there in age.  At guard Warford is still out there.

 

Not and injury but with Star being out and how poor they have been against the run (hope people appreciate what he brings to the defensive line now) I wouldn't mind them taking a look at Dareus either as a space eater.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

If Mongo can come back that’d be huge. 
 

Roll out Spain at LG and Mongo at RG. Winters and Ford have been atrocious.

 

I guess the question is when was Spain injured in his foot and is he healthy enough now?

He was benched for good reason after Miami, in the pass protection aspect of his game where he is better.

[Rochesterfan]

40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Passing without comment on the network (SHAMEFUL!)  and I haven't seen mentioned here.

 

Cody Ford was injured on the failed 4th and 1 conversion at the start of the 4th Q.  I saw him being attended to on the field and in the glimpse the network allowed us, it appeared to me they were focused on his knee.  "Return doubtful".

 

Any information?  He takes a lot of hate here but he would be a big, big loss to our OL

 

Have not seen anything, but I am sure he got rolled on the 3rd down play.  They fell across the back of his legs. 
 

He knew they were rushing to the line to quick snap and tried to play the 4th down play with a bad knee.  The definition of team effort trying to gut it out.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

In the event of a prolonged Ford absence, Nsekhe could play RT and Williams could slide inside.  Hoping Feliciano and Spain are healthy soon.  Too bad about Ford (assuming it’s an ACL as it appears).  He was playing pretty well at LG, IMO.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

25 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

 

There appears to be some miscommunication between White and Poyer on that Kelce TD. Looks like White is motioning to someone to pick up Kelce so not sure if they switched it up based on the look the offense gave them but for a veteran group can't be having those type of breakdowns. Have to know that Kelce is their main red zone target and he should be the last one catching the ball.

 

Even in quarters there - if you don't pick up the crosser he'll probably get to the end zone.  Communication is super important in zone coverage.

[Rochesterfan]

26 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

 

There appears to be some miscommunication between White and Poyer on that Kelce TD. Looks like White is motioning to someone to pick up Kelce so not sure if they switched it up based on the look the offense gave them but for a veteran group can't be having those type of breakdowns. Have to know that Kelce is their main red zone target and he should be the last one catching the ball.

 

It was zone coverage  - it was not switched up.  If White drops deeper - it opened the flat right in front of him.  I think he recognized the issue and was trying to get safety help deep.  It was the perfect play call for that defense and the throw and catch made it work.

 

I do not believe it was a breakdown as much as the right call at the right time.  That play is designed to put Tre in a predicament because if he drops to cover Kelsey - it opens the flat and if he plays the flat it opens Kelsey.  He tried to be in between, but was in no mans land.

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

It was zone coverage  - it was not switched up.  If White drops deeper - it opened the flat right in front of him.  I think he recognized the issue and was trying to get safety help deep.  It was the perfect play call for that defense and the throw and catch made it work.

 

I do not believe it was a breakdown as much as the right call at the right time.  That play is designed to put Tre in a predicament because if he drops to cover Kelsey - it opens the flat and if he plays the flat it opens Kelsey.  He tried to be in between, but was in no mans land.

I saw this play broken down last night by someone - it was perfect recognition and execution by KC. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

If Mongo can come back that’d be huge. 
 

Roll out Spain at LG and Mongo at RG. Winters and Ford have been atrocious.

 

Spain helped the offense soo much better than Winters. Still don't understand why he's still in there or why they benched Spain,. Winters playing worst O-Line right now and downright horrible. 

[Uncle Joe]

23 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Have not seen anything, but I am sure he got rolled on the 3rd down play.  They fell across the back of his legs. 
 

He knew they were rushing to the line to quick snap and tried to play the 4th down play with a bad knee.  The definition of team effort trying to gut it out.

I saw this as well. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I guess the question is when was Spain injured in his foot and is he healthy enough now?

He was benched for good reason after Miami, in the pass protection aspect of his game where he is better.

 

Ya it shows in pass protection by lots. Rather have that a strength and not a weakness. He really helped the pass game lots (Spain)

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather have Phillips and Lawson over Jefferson, Butler, and Addison. 

I think we would be better if we still had Star.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ford carted off last night - 

 

Whoever the backup/rotation is, they'll be just as effective as Ford. 

 

He hasn't been good since joining the team. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://www.rochesterfirst.com/sports/the-bills-report/ford-lewis-dodson-all-could-be-a-out-a-while/

 

Sean McDermott said Tuesday afternoon that Cody Ford, Cam Lewis and Tyrel Dodson are all “week to week” after leaving the loss to the Chiefs with injuries.

The week to week designation from McDermott usually indicates a player that will be missing some games.

[Fan in San Diego]

10 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Unfortunately, that's true this morning.  Plus Star.  

 

The defensive line last season could stand it's ground.  Not this season.

Whats different? Star?

[smuvtalker]

God I miss Rusty Jones....

 

Naw but seriously though, I don't know if it's due to the Covid induced weird unpredictable season, or something else, but for the life of me I cannot remember a year when we had this many injuries...EVER.

 

Between players who are actually injured and those out there still playing at less than 100%, we are LETHALLY thin, and I don't know if it's a good thing (it's still early, we still have our bye coming up, and a chance for our players to get healthy), or a bad thing (our schedule only gets tougher from here on out).  All I know is I am scared to death.  Every play I watch I hold my breath, because think about the KEY players out there playing with an injury:  Allen, Brown, Edmunds, White, Johnson, Moss, Oliver, Dodson, Phillips, and more I'm sure I've missed..

 

Something has gotta give.