Milanos Milano Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I think Epenesa is considered a pass rusher... Not a very good one, can’t bend enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I think Epenesa is considered a pass rusher... Yes, he’s been terrorizing NFL quarterbacks... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Can we go to the Bruce Smith store and pick up a couple of Bruce Smiths? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: We need elite pass rushers. Yeah, we need them because look at how the last ten Super Bowl winners have them. "Elite," as you went out of your way to say. Oh, wait, slmost none of them do. Frank Clark is very fine, but he's not elite. The Pats never have one. The 2017 Eagles? Nope. You do find one with the 2015 Broncos, but that's the only one. We don't need one. It would certainly be great if we could get one, but you don't need one to win a Super Bowl, you just don't. 36 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I think Houston and Barrett are FA next year. Please. Neither of these guys is elite. Nor can we afford one next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, we need them because look at how the last ten Super Bowl winners have them. "Elite," as you went out of your way to say. Oh, wait, slmost none of them do. Frank Clark is very fine, but he's not elite. The Pats never have one. The 2017 Eagles? Nope. You do find one with the 2015 Broncos, but that's the only one. We don't need one. It would certainly be great if we could get one, but you don't need one to win a Super Bowl, you just don't. Please. Neither of these guys is elite. Nor can we afford one next year. Elite is a relative term. There is yearly elite numbers ( top 10) and generational elite players. I’m mostly talking about top 10 any given year. While obviously you don’t need one to win a Super Bowl, if you have a QB like Allen, it will almost certainly improve your chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Elite is a relative term. There is yearly elite numbers ( top 10) and generational elite players. I’m mostly talking about top 10 any given year. While obviously you don’t need one to win a Super Bowl, if you have a QB like Allen, it will almost certainly improve your chances. Yes, elite is a relative term. But top ten is certainly not elite. Top ten is somewhere on the order of "very good." Is Matthew Stafford elite? He's top ten. But he's not elite. Jared Goff is playing like a top ten QB this year. He's not elite by any definition. Elite in football is generally considred top three to five. Is Dak Prescott elite? Please. But he's top ten, though I hate to say that about any Cowboy. And yes they "will almost certainly improve your chances," that's not what "need" means. A much better 2nd CB, a real big nickel, a real space-eating nose tackle would all almost certainly improve our chances. We had elite or near-elite defenses the last couple of years. And we certainly didn't have an elite pass-rusher. Again, it would be lovely to have one, but it's unlikely to happen, and it's not a need. A want? Fair enough but that's unlikely. Edited October 15, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: I would honestly try for a huge trade. We are literally 1 or 2 pieces away from winning a super bowl. Now is the time to make those aggressive money moves. So ... the time to make "aggressive money moves" is when you have $3.9 mill left on the cap this year and $1.8 mill next year with only 41 guys on the roster for that year? Yeah, right. 5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: To win a Super Bowl, you have to have 1 or 2 players on defense that can absolutely take over a game. We only have White. It sucks watching other teams getting 10+ sacks a year from players, but we can’t. Yeah, because look for example at the 2018 champs, the Pats, whose defensive starters were Trey Flowers, Lawrence Guy, Malcom Brown, Dont'a Hightower, Kyle Van Nay, Elandon Roberts, Jason McCourty, Stephon Gilmore, Patrick Chung and Devin McCourty. Look at that arsenal of game-taker-overers. For their Stephon Gilmore, we've got Tre White. For their ... For their .... Give me a few hours to work this out. Edited October 15, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: To win a Super Bowl, you have to have 1 or 2 players on defense that can absolutely take over a game. We only have White. It sucks watching other teams getting 10+ sacks a year from players, but we can’t. Yeah, because look for example at the 2018 champs, the Pats, whose defensive starters were Trey Flowers, Lawrence Guy, Malcom Brown, Dont'a Hightower, Kyle Van Nay, Elandon Roberts, Jason McCourty, Stephon Gilmore, Patrick Chung and Devin McCourty. Look at that arsenal of game-taker-overers. For their Stephon Gilmore, we've got Tre White. For their ... For their .... Give me a few hours to work this out. 5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: To win a Super Bowl, you have to have 1 or 2 players on defense that can absolutely take over a game. We only have White. It sucks watching other teams getting 10+ sacks a year from players, but we can’t. Yeah, because look for example at the 2018 champs, the Pats, whose defensive starters were Trey Flowers, Lawrence Guy, Malcom Brown, Dont'a Hightower, Kyle Van Nay, Elandon Roberts, Jason McCourty, Stephon Gilmore, Patrick Chung and Devin McCourty. Look at that arsenal of game-taker-overers. For their Stephon Gilmore, we've got Tre White. For their ... For their .... Give me a few hours to work this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Nester said: Bruce is why i am a Bills fan. Never even been to NY. You'd have to quarantine for 14 days..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 What is going on with Epenesa? He was a big, thick, powerful DE in college, and now looks long and lanky -- almost Maybin-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Give Epenesa some time. He has shown flashes. He hasn’t even played that much this year and he has 1 sack and had nice tackle for loss last night. I think he needs to get bigger (he looks like a LB playing DE) but I’m hopeful he gets more PT as the year goes on and becomes our big time pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, bills6969 said: Give Epenesa some time. He has shown flashes. He hasn’t even played that much this year and he has 1 sack and had nice tackle for loss last night. I think he needs to get bigger (he looks like a LB playing DE) but I’m hopeful he gets more PT as the year goes on and becomes our big time pass rusher. What I don't understand is why he is noticeably smaller than he was in college. That can't be the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: What I don't understand is why he is noticeably smaller than he was in college. That can't be the plan. Maybe he looked bigger in college relative to the guys around him, but now in the pros all the lineman are much bigger and hence he looks smaller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Maybe he looked bigger in college relative to the guys around him, but now in the pros all the lineman are much bigger and hence he looks smaller? I really don't think so. Look at still pictures of just him, and videos. Also, I remember when he was drafted, they talked about him maybe kicking inside to play defensive tackle sometimes. He doesn't look anywhere near big enough to do that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: What I don't understand is why he is noticeably smaller than he was in college. That can't be the plan. He w as surrounded by smaller guys and wearing bigger pads in college....looks to be a smaller jersey too. Probably wants the tighter to be less to grab. I heard defensive lineman in the 80's used to spray Pam on their jerseys. 7 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I really don't think so. Look at still pictures of just him, and videos. Also, I remember when he was drafted, they talked about him maybe kicking inside to play defensive tackle sometimes. He doesn't look anywhere near big enough to do that right now. Lorax used to rush from the inside and he's smaller than AJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 @Giuseppe Tognarelli Actually I just looked it up. He measured at 275 lbs at the combine. He's now 260 lbs. So yeah, you're right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Can we go to the Bruce Smith store and pick up a couple of Bruce Smiths? Wouldn’t that be nice. Ralph should have cloned him years ago lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Also, let’s end the Epenesa comparisons to Maybin. Epenesa has 1 sack thru 5 games vs Maybin’s 0 sacks thru 32 games. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Wouldn’t that be nice. Ralph should have cloned him years ago lol. A great player ... maybe the greatest ever to play on this team... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dragoon said: We need a revamped line and a legit starting corner opposite Tre. We need to get rid of these awful contracts from the past 3 years FA signings. Mario Addison, Trent Murphy, Vernon Butler, Quinten Jefferson, AJ Klein, Josh Norman, and Tyler Kroft at this point are god awful contracts to the tune of ~$54M. I don’t understand the people complaining about our draft picks, it’s our chronyistic FA signings that are killing this team. Edited October 15, 2020 by Weatherman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Weatherman said: We need to get Reid of these awful contracts from the past 2 years FA signings. Mario Addison, Trent Murphy, Vernon Butler, Quinten Jefferson, AJ Klein, Josh Norman, and Tyler Kroft at this point are god awful contracts to the tune of $54M. I don’t understand the people complaining about our draft picks, it’s our chronyistic FA signings that are killing this team. Ive actually thought about that the last few years, especially given all the “cap hell” narratives people pushed when this FO first came in. The team is pretty good, so I don’t complain much, and still won’t But they too have their fair share of bad contracts, and it’s stopped us to make decisions regarding guys like Philips and Shaq so we could pay Dawkins and Tre. Or make a decision between Edmunds and Milano down the line. But such is the NFL and every team goes through this every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mango said: Ive actually thought about that the last few years, especially given all the “cap hell” narratives people pushed when this FO first came in. The team is pretty good, so I don’t complain much, and still won’t But they too have their fair share of bad contracts, and it’s stopped us to make decisions regarding guys like Philips and Shaq so we could pay Dawkins and Tre. Or make a decision between Edmunds and Milano down the line. But such is the NFL and every team goes through this every year. Without even throwing blame at Beane because the salary cap is what it is but it really is a shame that it's structured where you are pretty much forced to cut ties with guys like Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips. With the way the defense was playing last year Continuity would've been great but I just don't see how they could afford to keep those guys with all of the contracts they have coming down the line. The guys they had to sign this year to bring in as replacements are just not living up to their expectations. I really hate the business side of pro football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Get on Madden and trade TJ Yeldon and Deon Lacey for TJ Watt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 So I think guys on teams going nowhere can be had. Maybe a Tak McKinley or a Kyler Fackrell who are both pending UFAs on losing teams. I might give the Bengals a call on Carl Lawson who is also set to be a free agent. Trades may be hard to come by, but I think those guys can be had. A guy I really like, who is starting to come into his own and finally developed is Trey Hendrickson down in NO. Now will they trade him? I highly doubt it, but he should be a free agent target of ours. Hey maybe the Jets are willing to trade Jordan Jenkins who is “tired of losing.” I know its in division, but they made a trade with the Giants last year and Jenkins is a pending free agent as well. We need some sort of shot in the arm. At the end of the day, none of these guys are elite pass rushers because they are just hard to come by. I’d like to see less Murphy and Hughes and more Daryl Johnson and AJ Epenesa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: So I think guys on teams going nowhere can be had. Maybe a Tak McKinley or a Kyler Fackrell who are both pending UFAs on losing teams. I might give the Bengals a call on Carl Lawson who is also set to be a free agent. Trades may be hard to come by, but I think those guys can be had. A guy I really like, who is starting to come into his own and finally developed is Trey Hendrickson down in NO. Now will they trade him? I highly doubt it, but he should be a free agent target of ours. Hey maybe the Jets are willing to trade Jordan Jenkins who is “tired of losing.” I know its in division, but they made a trade with the Giants last year and Jenkins is a pending free agent as well. We need some sort of shot in the arm. At the end of the day, none of these guys are elite pass rushers because they are just hard to come by. I’d like to see less Murphy and Hughes and more Daryl Johnson and AJ Epenesa. I like these suggestions a lot. I am with you on Johnson he has a chance to be like the player Hendrickson has become now........maybe even better all around. Those guys are built to rush the passer. They need to get Edmunds out on the edge next season and see what they actually have while they have a chance to develop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Nester said: Bruce is why i am a Bills fan. Never even been to NY. Same here man, him and JK got me hooked, but I will tell you this, it is absolutely worth going to the Stadium to watch a bills game live. I went for the first time last year and it was one of the best times I have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Atlanta is having a fire sale do they have any pass rushers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Dragoon said: We need a revamped line and a legit starting corner opposite Tre. This goes understated but it’s not just the DL. Hughes is aging, still a threat to be accounted for but he can’t do it alone. Addison is meh. DT- I’ve never been high on Harry. I don’t get the love he gets around here. Purely a rotational guy at this point. Oliver is a nice piece. People are expecting the great version of Dareus from him. You won’t get it. LB- Depth is terrible. Edmunds seems hesitant. Milano can’t stay healthy. CB- Tre. Then a mile back is everybody else, and they aren’t good. S- Very good pairing. They’re doing a lot to hold some semblance of this defense together. They aren’t old yet, but if we don’t address CB, LB, and DL quickly, they could also start to get picked on. In 3 drafts we have spent 3x 1sts, 1x 2nd, and 2x 3rds (Edmunds trade up) on the defense. Seems like we should be better. This off-seasons FA’s are a big whiff. There is a large talent void and if they don’t fix it quick like they did with WR we could be in trouble in 2021 and 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Jerry Hughes has been overrated here for the last 3 years. He’s not good anymore. and while I am absolutely shocked how bad the D has been (she didn’t say that 😉), I was always worried about our pass rushers. Hughes is overrated, Murphy is worthless, Oliver has really asserted himself, and I don’t see AJ as ever being a dominant rusher. It’s an absolute huge need. looking back, Yannick for a 2nd would have been a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Jerry Hughes has been overrated here for the last 3 years. He’s not good anymore. and while I am absolutely shocked how bad the D has been (she didn’t say that 😉), I was always worried about our pass rushers. Hughes is overrated, Murphy is worthless, Oliver has really asserted himself, and I don’t see AJ as ever being a dominant rusher. It’s an absolute huge need. looking back, Yannick for a 2nd would have been a game changer. Hughes in 2019 was good, he was solid against the run and a physical player off the edge getting pressure. He also was the heart and soul of the front 7. But in 2020 he has been fairly invisible. I think maybe age has just gotten ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Weatherman said: We need to get rid of these awful contracts from the past 3 years FA signings. Mario Addison, Trent Murphy, Vernon Butler, Quinten Jefferson, AJ Klein, Josh Norman, and Tyler Kroft at this point are god awful contracts to the tune of ~$54M. I don’t understand the people complaining about our draft picks, it’s our chronyistic FA signings that are killing this team. Leave my boy quinton out of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Leave my boy quinton out of this What’s he done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 yup, both need to go the entire front 7 needs an overhaul. Murphy, Hughes, Phillips, Edmunds, whoever our 3rd LB is....all need to be replaced. Edmunds needs to move positions and Phillips should be a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Hughes is elite pass rusher. Consistently gets pressure , is very good vs run but not elite . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 9:40 PM, bills6969 said: Also, let’s end the Epenesa comparisons to Maybin. Epenesa has 1 sack thru 5 games vs Maybin’s 0 sacks thru 32 games. The only reason for the comparison is the slim down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 2:35 PM, mannc said: We have used a ton of draft capital on the defensive front seven the last three drafts. It’s inexcusable not to have come away with at least one pass rusher... Lots of folks don't seem to understand this, going by their comments. On 10/15/2020 at 1:07 AM, Mango said: This goes understated but it’s not just the DL. Hughes is aging, still a threat to be accounted for but he can’t do it alone. Addison is meh. DT- I’ve never been high on Harry. I don’t get the love he gets around here. Purely a rotational guy at this point. Oliver is a nice piece. People are expecting the great version of Dareus from him. You won’t get it. LB- Depth is terrible. Edmunds seems hesitant. Milano can’t stay healthy. CB- Tre. Then a mile back is everybody else, and they aren’t good. S- Very good pairing. They’re doing a lot to hold some semblance of this defense together. They aren’t old yet, but if we don’t address CB, LB, and DL quickly, they could also start to get picked on. In 3 drafts we have spent 3x 1sts, 1x 2nd, and 2x 3rds (Edmunds trade up) on the defense. Seems like we should be better. This off-seasons FA’s are a big whiff. There is a large talent void and if they don’t fix it quick like they did with WR we could be in trouble in 2021 and 2022. Hughes has been on the decline for a while now, and hasn't really had an impact on games, week in and week out, for a few years IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/15/2020 at 12:03 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Jerry Hughes has been overrated here for the last 3 years. He’s not good anymore. and while I am absolutely shocked how bad the D has been (she didn’t say that 😉), I was always worried about our pass rushers. Hughes is overrated, Murphy is worthless, Oliver has really asserted himself, and I don’t see AJ as ever being a dominant rusher. It’s an absolute huge need. looking back, Yannick for a 2nd would have been a game changer. We all kinda knew this was probably going to be the last year for Hughes & Murphy. And their collective play only validates that. Out of all the DL FA guys I was hoping Addison would outplay Murphy but so far not much? This team will need a ridiculously heavy defensive draft and probably another FA or 2 to supplement the failed signings. All defensive positions will have to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 11:50 PM, IronMaidenBills said: Lol so predictable. Go look at other teams pass rushers, some goods ones have been drafted. We suck at drafting pass rushers recently. We could at least try and trade for one. Unfortunately it is hard to get bluechip premium pass rushers in the 2nd round and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 1:12 PM, IronMaidenBills said: Not a day goes by where I didn’t wish we had a Bruce Smith on this team. Great, let's just mosey over to the Elite Pass Rusher tree and pluck a couple I mean, Bruce Smith? Beane probably stays up nights wishing we had Aaron Donald as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 3:10 PM, SCBills said: You can't just go get elite pass rushers, but i'm certainly hopeful we bring in fresh legs next year.., especially if this issue persists all season. You can get guys like Alton Robinson in the mid-rounds. I was hoping we'd snag him and now he's earning PT in Seattle with some impact plays.. Impact. Plays. Gone are the days where defenses can smother the opposition. You win on defense by making impact plays.. sacks/fumbles/interceptions. For as bad as we were last night, the Titans got an early 7-0 lead due to a turnover. For as bad as we were last night, the Titans were about to have a war going into the 4th quarter if Butler doesn't intercept Allen. It's all about those impact plays. Yep. The D is sorely in need of play makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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