Niagara Dude Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Jordan Phillips gave the Bills a huge push up the middle and were not getting that this season, now we have our ends just racing up field . QB'S are just stepping up and making throws, huge error not resigning him. This defence is bad because we cannot get pressure and our DB'S cannot stick we receivers for extended time, our pass rush is trash Edited October 14, 2020 by Niagara Dude 13 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Kyle Williams. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I’ve been saying this from game one about Jordan and star! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, buffalobillswin said: Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently. Sean needs to do something because this is just going to get worse 1 minute ago, Chicharito said: I’ve been saying this from game one about Jordan and star! No push, he already has 2 sacks and multiple pressures with Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I think there was some hubris on the part of Beane in not bringing back Phillips or Shaq Lawson, as if the defensive line is just a plug and play situation where middling FA signings can be slotted in and there won't be a difference. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 We just need dogs.. and Jordan Phillips was a dog. I know we all love Tre, but I think I’d rather have Ramsey over him based of his 4 games and then back injury before the Tennessee Covid’s. As the highest paid guy, he’s the tone setter for this defense. When he couldn’t go tonight, probably should have seen, yet another, trash bag D performance coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: I think there was some hubris on the part of Beane in not bringing back Phillips or Shaq Lawson, as if the defensive line is just a plug and play situation where middling FA signings can be slotted in and there won't be a difference. I don’t think we should have paid them as that’s not how great teams are built. But we definitely miss both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Our pass rush is abysmal. Did not think we would miss him this much. Zero pass rush and two starting corners out is obviously a recipe for disaster, which we saw tonight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Oliver too small to be effective 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Defense needs to be gutted.. Frazier and Washington need to go.. been given vast resources on defense and have done nothing with it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: I don’t think we should have paid them as that’s not how great teams are built. But we definitely miss both of them. I guess my problem is that they combined for 40% of our sacks last season, and being that that was the case I would have liked to see a bigger splash than picking up Jefferson, Addison, Butler and drafting Epenesa. Only Addison is known as a pass rush specialist out of that group and he's 33 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 After watching the game tonight both O-Lines were just outright holding. The only thing you might be able to do to counter is a bull rush but I don’t think any of our D-Line has that move. The two guys that could bull rush Phillips and Lawson are not on the team anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Butler, Jefferson, and Addison have all been complete disappointments and Edmunds has been terrible. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like there is any practical fix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, SageAgainstTheMachine said: I guess my problem is that they combined for 40% of our sacks last season, and being that that was the case I would have liked to see a bigger splash than picking up Jefferson, Addison, Butler and drafting Epenesa. Only Addison is known as a pass rush specialist out of that group and he's 33 now. I think it just became a numbers game. We paid Schnowman, Tre, Poyer and will have to pay JA. I don’t disagree we miss the production but I just think the resources are better used elsewhere. Espenesa is an early disappointment. Also would be nice to see Jerry do something that isn’t negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneck Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Don't know his cap ###, but could we trade (2nd and 4th) for Jerry Tillery of the Chargers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Still boggles my mind why we didn’t resign him. Instead, we gave basically the same money to Mario Addison who hasn’t done squat. McD and Beane out smarted themselves with this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Still boggles my mind why we didn’t resign him. Instead, we gave basically the same money to Mario Addison who hasn’t done squat. McD and Beane out smarted themselves with this one. All the free agents signings look like a waste, i always say its best to spend more on play makers then a bunch of scrubs Edited October 14, 2020 by Niagara Dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I wish they’d kept Phillips. The pass rush is nonexistent right now. Epenesa was only noticeable on his boneheaded offside. The refs were atrocious, but a lack of heart and discipline cost them the game, not officiating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 You can't fix the trenches in season. The defense is going to be bad this year. Going to need to out score everyone, play with leads, and no turnovers. Josh has to be perfect against teams with excellent offenses. That's: Chiefs Seattle Pittsburgh 49ers (if fully healthy) Cardinals Like I said yesterday. We can get away with a bad defense so long as we stay healthy on offense. We SHOULD beat and wont need 30 points to beat Patriots at least once Dolphins Jets Denver Chargers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: I think there was some hubris on the part of Beane in not bringing back Phillips or Shaq Lawson, as if the defensive line is just a plug and play situation where middling FA signings can be slotted in and there won't be a difference. Yep, I thought of Lawson when they failed run containment a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: After watching the game tonight both O-Lines were just outright holding. The only thing you might be able to do to counter is a bull rush but I don’t think any of our D-Line has that move. The two guys that could bull rush Phillips and Lawson are not on the team anymore. Maybe they can sign a player who isn't a complete package but has some bulk and power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, jlgarsh said: I wish they’d kept Phillips. The pass rush is nonexistent right now. Epenesa was only noticeable on his boneheaded offside. The refs were atrocious, but a lack of heart and discipline cost them the game, not officiating. Epenesa and Edmunds would look much better if Oliver and J. Philips were lining the middle with Hughes screaming off the edge. That’s what all 3 of those guys were bred to do. We need a MLB who can play fast and have the right instincts super quick. So the safeties are creeping up and shadowing to make up for it. McD’s Defense was absolutely made for a DL of guys like Hughes, J.Philips, and Oliver. With safety’s backing up a few system CBS (Tre excluded). But we don’t have those guys and Edmunds is the exponent on the problem. In this scheme very strong MLB play can keep the safeties back and force the offense to honor the DL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. Wonderful said: Oliver too small to be effective He is. He may be able to get a few hurries, but he isn’t physical enough to take on double teams. Gets pancaked often. Aaron Donald is the only small dude that can take on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 We do miss his pass rush but he wanted a lot of money for a DT that didn't care about stopping the run too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 This thread is dumb. Bills got beat on the edges not up the middle. They collapsed the pocket a lot but no body contained outside. you might say Shaw Lawson was missed or Lorax, but not JP, he wouldn’t have changed a thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said: We do miss his pass rush but he wanted a lot of money for a DT that didn't care about stopping the run too much. We were spoiled with amazing talent like Bruce Smith. I’d run through a wall right now if we had someone of his talents on this D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 There are going to be some good football players that pass through fleetingly on this team and go on to get paid big money at other teams.. I can accept that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently. I'll be the first to say I was so WRONG about Star's value to this team. Same goes for Shaq & Jordan. McB screwed up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Makes me wonder why Star agreed to take a pay cut in the pre Covid days considering he is the best player on the D? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Still boggles my mind why we didn’t resign him. Instead, we gave basically the same money to Mario Addison who hasn’t done squat. McD and Beane out smarted themselves with this one. Jordan Phillips 2020: 2 sacks Mario Addison 2020: 2 sacks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Jordan Phillips 2020: 2 sacks Mario Addison 2020: 2 sacks Our DEs are the issue. That and Harrison is trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently. Star gets most of his hate because of his contract. We definitely miss him and Phillips, those two could at least soak multiple blockers and free our ends up. There's not an OL in the league that's worried about our D-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently. How exactly is his value showing? He was basically useless rushing the passer we're allowing the same yards per carry we did last year despite milano missing over half the snaps so far and edmunds playing like crap. We also held Henry to his lowest ypc since week 6 of last season and Jacobs to the lowest ypc of his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 hours ago, bills6969 said: Still boggles my mind why we didn’t resign him. Instead, we gave basically the same money to Mario Addison who hasn’t done squat. McD and Beane out smarted themselves with this one. Addison tipped a ball early against Tannehill. He's been our best all around Dlineman this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Jordan Phillips has been missed. Not especially. It's Star who has been the big missing piece. Phillips was below average against the run, and a few flash plays against the pass but not much impact otherwise. The guy has two sacks and one QB hit this year. In five games, that's not a lot of hits.. That's the way he was with us too. Few hits and pressure, converting the ones he did have at a higher than normal rate into sacks. So he had a huge effect on the plays he got sacks (obviously) but didn't effect many other plays at all. That's not what you pay big money for. Edited October 14, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Mango said: Epenesa and Edmunds would look much better if Oliver and J. Philips were lining the middle with Hughes screaming off the edge. That’s what all 3 of those guys were bred to do. We need a MLB who can play fast and have the right instincts super quick. So the safeties are creeping up and shadowing to make up for it. McD’s Defense was absolutely made for a DL of guys like Hughes, J.Philips, and Oliver. With safety’s backing up a few system CBS (Tre excluded). But we don’t have those guys and Edmunds is the exponent on the problem. In this scheme very strong MLB play can keep the safeties back and force the offense to honor the DL. He hasn't been screaming off the edge for the last couple of years. He looks so slow and is pulling some Murphy type moves to end up out of position. There were a few times today where he 3ys ago he makes a tackle in the backfield, and now he barely sees the guy. Losing Shaq for Murphy type money was the worst decision they've made so far. 1 hour ago, QCity said: Star gets most of his hate because of his contract. We definitely miss him and Phillips, those two could at least soak multiple blockers and free our ends up. There's not an OL in the league that's worried about our D-Line. They ran on us last year too. Star did nothing to stop the run, but we were much better on the edge and against the pass. If you go back and watch you will see teams running up the middle with ease in multiple games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Makes me wonder why Star agreed to take a pay cut in the pre Covid days considering he is the best player on the D? That's an awesome straw man argument. Could you show us all the posts saying "he is the best player on the D"? I'll take any posts from this year or any year he was on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Dont forget we lost shaq too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Trogdor said: They ran on us last year too. Star did nothing to stop the run, but we were much better on the edge and against the pass. If you go back and watch you will see teams running up the middle with ease in multiple games. They did run on us last year as well. "Us." Meaning the team. What Star did was his job, very well. You can't expect him to pressure the QB. He can't. And you also can't expect him to affect plays in which he isn't in. He, and all the DLs, platoon, generally playing between 40 - 60% of the snaps. Blaming (or praising) any one player for our success/failure against the run overall doesn't make much sense, especially as the Bills themselves seem to be saying that a lot of the problem has been run fits. But as for eating double teams and space, Star did it very well, though there definitely were a few bad plays as well. Not that many, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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