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Jordan Phillips gave the Bills a huge push up the middle and were not getting that this season,  now we have our ends just racing up field .  QB'S are just stepping up and making throws,  huge error not resigning him.  This defence is bad because we cannot get pressure and our DB'S cannot stick we receivers for extended time,  our pass rush is trash

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Just now, buffalobillswin said:

Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently.

Sean needs to do something because this is just going to get worse

 

1 minute ago, Chicharito said:

I’ve been saying this from game one about Jordan and star!

No push,  he already has 2 sacks and multiple pressures with Arizona 

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We just need dogs.. and Jordan Phillips was a dog.  
 

I know we all love Tre, but I think I’d rather have Ramsey over him based of his 4 games and then back injury before the Tennessee Covid’s.   As the highest paid guy, he’s the tone setter for this defense.  When he couldn’t go tonight, probably should have seen, yet another, trash bag D performance coming.  

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1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I think there was some hubris on the part of Beane in not bringing back Phillips or Shaq Lawson, as if the defensive line is just a plug and play situation where middling FA signings can be slotted in and there won't be a difference.  

I don’t think we should have paid them as that’s not how great teams are built. But we definitely miss both of them. 

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2 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

I don’t think we should have paid them as that’s not how great teams are built. But we definitely miss both of them. 

 

I guess my problem is that they combined for 40% of our sacks last season, and being that that was the case I would have liked to see a bigger splash than picking up Jefferson, Addison, Butler and drafting Epenesa.  Only Addison is known as a pass rush specialist out of that group and he's 33 now.

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Just now, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

I guess my problem is that they combined for 40% of our sacks last season, and being that that was the case I would have liked to see a bigger splash than picking up Jefferson, Addison, Butler and drafting Epenesa.  Only Addison is known as a pass rush specialist out of that group and he's 33 now.


I think it just became a numbers game. We paid Schnowman, Tre, Poyer and will have to pay JA. I don’t disagree we miss the production but I just think the resources are better used elsewhere. Espenesa is an early disappointment. 

Also would be nice to see Jerry do something that isn’t negative. 

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5 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

Still boggles my mind why we didn’t resign him. Instead, we gave basically the same money to Mario Addison who hasn’t done squat.  McD and Beane out smarted themselves with this one.

All the free agents signings look like a waste, i always say its best to spend more on play makers then a bunch of scrubs

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You can't fix the trenches in season. 

 

The defense is going to be bad this year.

 

Going to need to out score everyone, play with leads, and no turnovers.  Josh has to be perfect against teams with excellent offenses.  

 

That's:

 

Chiefs 

Seattle 

Pittsburgh

49ers (if fully healthy)

Cardinals 

 

Like I said yesterday.  We can get away with a bad defense so long as we stay healthy on offense.  

 

We SHOULD beat and wont need 30 points to beat

 

Patriots at least once 

Dolphins 

Jets

Denver 

Chargers

 

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1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I think there was some hubris on the part of Beane in not bringing back Phillips or Shaq Lawson, as if the defensive line is just a plug and play situation where middling FA signings can be slotted in and there won't be a difference.  


Yep, I thought of Lawson when they failed run containment a few times.

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1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

After watching the game tonight both O-Lines were just outright holding. The only thing you might be able to do to counter is a bull rush but I don’t think any of our D-Line has that move. The two guys that could bull rush Phillips and Lawson are not on the team anymore.

 

Maybe they can sign a player who isn't a complete package but has some bulk and power?

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9 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

I wish they’d kept Phillips. The pass rush is nonexistent right now. Epenesa was only noticeable on his boneheaded offside. The refs were atrocious, but a lack of heart and discipline cost them the game, not officiating.


Epenesa and Edmunds would look much better if Oliver and J. Philips were lining the middle with Hughes screaming off the edge. That’s what all 3 of those guys were bred to do.
 

We need a MLB who can play fast and have the right instincts super quick. So the safeties are creeping up and shadowing to make up for it. 
 

McD’s Defense was absolutely made for a DL of guys like Hughes, J.Philips, and Oliver. With safety’s backing up a few system CBS (Tre excluded). But we don’t have those guys and Edmunds is the exponent on the problem. In this scheme very strong MLB play can keep the safeties back and force the offense to honor the DL. 

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1 hour ago, bills6969 said:

Still boggles my mind why we didn’t resign him. Instead, we gave basically the same money to Mario Addison who hasn’t done squat.  McD and Beane out smarted themselves with this one.

Jordan Phillips 2020: 2 sacks

 

Mario Addison 2020: 2 sacks

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3 hours ago, buffalobillswin said:

Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently.

 

Star gets most of his hate because of his contract. We definitely miss him and Phillips, those two could at least soak multiple blockers and free our ends up. There's not an OL in the league that's worried about our D-Line.

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4 hours ago, buffalobillswin said:

Star also got a lot of hate but his value is also showing currently.

How exactly is his value showing? He was basically useless rushing the passer we're allowing the same yards per carry we did last year despite milano missing over half the snaps so far and edmunds playing like crap. We also held Henry to his lowest ypc since week 6 of last season and Jacobs to the lowest ypc of his career.

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4 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Still boggles my mind why we didn’t resign him. Instead, we gave basically the same money to Mario Addison who hasn’t done squat.  McD and Beane out smarted themselves with this one.

Addison tipped a ball early against Tannehill. He's been our best all around Dlineman this season.

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5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

 

Jordan Phillips has been missed.

 

 

 

Not especially. It's Star who has been the big missing piece.

 

Phillips was below average against the run, and a few flash plays against the pass but not much impact otherwise.

 

The guy has two sacks and one QB hit this year. In five games, that's not a lot of hits.. That's the way he was with us too. Few hits and pressure, converting the ones he did have at a higher than normal rate into sacks. So he had a huge effect on the plays he got sacks (obviously) but didn't effect many other plays at all. That's not what you pay big money for.

 

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3 hours ago, Mango said:


Epenesa and Edmunds would look much better if Oliver and J. Philips were lining the middle with Hughes screaming off the edge. That’s what all 3 of those guys were bred to do.
 

We need a MLB who can play fast and have the right instincts super quick. So the safeties are creeping up and shadowing to make up for it. 
 

McD’s Defense was absolutely made for a DL of guys like Hughes, J.Philips, and Oliver. With safety’s backing up a few system CBS (Tre excluded). But we don’t have those guys and Edmunds is the exponent on the problem. In this scheme very strong MLB play can keep the safeties back and force the offense to honor the DL. 

He hasn't been screaming off the edge for the last couple of years. He looks so slow and is pulling some Murphy type moves to end up out of position. There were a few times today where he 3ys ago he makes a tackle in the backfield, and now he barely sees the guy. Losing Shaq for Murphy type money was the worst decision they've made so far. 

1 hour ago, QCity said:

 

Star gets most of his hate because of his contract. We definitely miss him and Phillips, those two could at least soak multiple blockers and free our ends up. There's not an OL in the league that's worried about our D-Line.

They ran on us last year too. Star did nothing to stop the run, but we were much better on the edge and against the pass. If you go back and watch you will see teams running up the middle with ease in multiple games. 

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2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Makes me wonder why Star agreed to take a pay cut in the pre Covid days considering he is the best player on the D?

 

 

That's an awesome straw man argument.

 

Could you show us all the posts saying "he is the best player on the D"? I'll take any posts from this year or any year he was on the Bills.

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5 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

 

They ran on us last year too. Star did nothing to stop the run, but we were much better on the edge and against the pass. If you go back and watch you will see teams running up the middle with ease in multiple games. 

 

 

 

They did run on us last year as well. "Us." Meaning the team.

 

What Star did was his job, very well. You can't expect him to pressure the QB. He can't. And you also can't expect him to affect plays in which he isn't in. He, and all the DLs, platoon, generally playing between 40 - 60% of the snaps. Blaming (or praising) any one player for our success/failure against the run overall doesn't make much sense, especially as the Bills themselves seem to be saying that a lot of the problem has been run fits. 

 

But as for eating double teams and space, Star did it very well, though there definitely were a few bad plays as well. Not that many, though.

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