ChevyVanMiller Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Remember all of those years when you would watch NFL highlights and see QBs making great throws and say, "Why can't we get one of those types of passers?" Well, guess what Bills' fans? We've got one and as the title says, "Josh Allen is not a fluke." Take a moment a look at the great array of tosses he had yesterday. The TD toss to Gabriel Davis is a great case in point. He looks left the whole way to draw the safety and they comes back right and lets it go immediately with the perfect amount of loft and velocity. A thing of beauty. To quote a Seinfeld nugget, "They're real and they're spectacular." Edited October 5, 2020 by ChevyVanMiller 5 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Was reading an article in the Athletic, below was one quote: Daboll used 19 different packages on Sunday. If that wasn’t impressive enough, he used 15 different personnel combinations through the first half, which consisted of only 30 plays. Got me thinking some, is more of Allen's improvement due to him just finally understanding the offense? Maybe last year when he'd drop back half the time he'd be trying to understand the play that there wasn't enough time left to often throw a good catchable pass. I'm sure working on the mechanics helped too, but maybe the mental part is a bigger reason for the improvement than people realize. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) So I freeze framed the launch point on the Diggs bomb. Allen threw it from the 33 and Diggs caught it on the 11. So 56 air yards. That was when I knew the Bills were going to win and any doubt about his injury evaporated. Edited October 5, 2020 by wjag biwt 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranded in Boston Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Indeed, it's been amazing seeing Josh's touch on long passes and to open receivers. He so clearly has adjusted his mechanics from previous years, opening his hips and not doing that giant javelin-throwing step. The kid clearly worked hard to improve -- hats off. ... Speaking of mechanics (and not to change the subject) -- it's really fun to key on Dion Dawkins in that highlight video. I know the Raiders don't have great pass-rushers, but Dawkins absolutely OWNS his man on every play. Superb combination of light-as-feather feet, brute strength and nasty attitude. Nice for Josh to not worry about his blind side ... Edited October 5, 2020 by Stranded in Boston 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Was reading an article in the Athletic, below was one quote: Daboll used 19 different packages on Sunday. If that wasn’t impressive enough, he used 15 different personnel combinations through the first half, which consisted of only 30 plays. Got me thinking some, is more of Allen's improvement due to him just finally understanding the offense? Maybe last year when he'd drop back half the time he'd be trying to understand the play that there wasn't enough time left to often throw a good catchable pass. I'm sure working on the mechanics helped too, but maybe the mental part is a bigger reason for the improvement than people realize. I also think his understanding of defenses has improved. Looking at the Cole TD. On the snap he instantly looks right. The defense is very concerned about Diggs and a guy that should be picking up Cole makes a move to double Diggs (also looks like a miscommunication between the DBs). The *instant* he heads to double Diggs you see Josh recognizes the gap and fires it to Cole in the vacated spot. Its a culmination of progress on all fronts. Team building adding Diggs to scare defenses, play call to give Josh multiple looks on the same side of the field, reading defensive leverage and exploiting mistakes and then obviously execution firing the ball in time accurately. Edited October 5, 2020 by jletha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, wjag said: So I freeze framed the launch point on the Diggs bomb. Allen through it from the 33 and Diggs caught it on the 11. So 56 air yards. That was when I knew the Bills were going to win and any doubt about his injury evaporated. Watch it again. He doesn't put his body into the throw. He could have thrown it 70 yards if he wanted. Amazing arm. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stranded in Boston said: Indeed, it's been amazing seeing Josh's touch on long passes and to open receivers. He so clearly has adjusted his mechanics from previous years, opening his hips and not doing that giant javelin-throwing step. The kid clearly worked hard to improve -- hats off. Yeah and his open hip throws are more wrist and flick than wind up and chuck. His release keeps getting faster, the TD to Diggs last week he had no room to wind up or time to throw but he zips it out somehow and hits a TD that meant the difference in the game. Watching the game yesterday we were laughing at all the replays where the ball is in the perfect spot every throw. Takin it for granted now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Those different angles he's throwing from, and ACCURATELY, are a thing of beauty. The one to Beasley was outstanding. Josh is legit. Edited October 5, 2020 by H2o 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 When you're by yourself in the living room exclaiming out loud about multiple throws, you know your guy is zipping trip 20's all over the place. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobesBLO13 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) The pass to Beasely at 00:47 of the video...holy crap. That is some zip. Edited October 5, 2020 by NobesBLO13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 This is the top thing I love about Josh besides his drive. His arm makes 20-30 yard throws 15-20 of average qbs. Opens up the field so much more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Watch it again. He doesn't put his body into the throw. He could have thrown it 70 yards if he wanted. Amazing arm. He even said in his post game that he didn't put everything into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I still am not sure why the play he got hurt on was not a first down? Diggs clearly does not step out and lunges beyond the marker? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: This is the top thing I love about Josh besides his drive. His arm makes 20-30 yard throws 15-20 of average qbs. Opens up the field so much more So this is a serious question from a lifelong fan but never a football player at any level other than sandlot. What makes one guy have a cannon arm and another not? I would imagine the strength and conditioning all QBs do is meant to increase arm strength, yet all QBs are not equal. What other factors contribute to one guy having a cannon and others not? Is it just reps, strength and conditioning? Body frame? Muscle mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I see him putting more touch on his throws. In the prior years, he would rifle these throws and the receivers would be able to catch them. He’s throwing them a bit softer now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, wjag said: So this is a serious question from a lifelong fan but never a football player at any level other than sandlot. What makes one guy have a cannon arm and another not? I would imagine the strength and conditioning all QBs do is meant to increase arm strength, yet all QBs are not equal. What other factors contribute to one guy having a cannon and others not? Is it just reps, strength and conditioning? Body frame? Muscle mass? As a guy who never played himself but watches every game lol, his height athletic background and farm boy strength is my guess. But watching brady yesterday his passes limped 10 yards on most occasions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, wjag said: So I freeze framed the launch point on the Diggs bomb. Allen through it from the 33 and Diggs caught it on the 11. So 56 air yards. That was when I knew the Bills were going to win and any doubt about his injury evaporated. LoL, I did the same thing! Twice!! I had a $20 bet last year against a KC fan long time coworker for longest in air throw/completion. I paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 57 minutes ago, wjag said: So I freeze framed the launch point on the Diggs bomb. Allen threw it from the 33 and Diggs caught it on the 11. So 56 air yards. That was when I knew the Bills were going to win and any doubt about his injury evaporated. Before I even saw who it was going to , I knew it would be caught😃 These are special days And this is the beginning of a Magical time for Bills fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Was reading an article in the Athletic, below was one quote: Daboll used 19 different packages on Sunday. If that wasn’t impressive enough, he used 15 different personnel combinations through the first half, which consisted of only 30 plays. Got me thinking some, is more of Allen's improvement due to him just finally understanding the offense? Maybe last year when he'd drop back half the time he'd be trying to understand the play that there wasn't enough time left to often throw a good catchable pass. I'm sure working on the mechanics helped too, but maybe the mental part is a bigger reason for the improvement than people realize. Absolutely. I think that his pre-snap reads are probably much better. This enables him to have a good idea where to go. This gives him confidence which breeds poise and accuracy. The receivers that Beane has surrounded him with obviously also fuel his confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I love how on Davis TD he looks all the time to the left and then suddenly looks on Davis side and finds him wide open. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 This is a GREAT point by the OP. Allen is truly special. I’m still reserving judgement until we see a couple of season of this level of production, but he is making the WOW! plays and the basic ones now. Still makes some bad decisions and still throws some balls with no touch, but overall, he looks awesome out there. I commented to my wife “it’s nice to see 3rd and 13 and not feel like we should just send the punter out now”, of course they pick up 17 yards irrc and keep the drive alive. It’s amazing to know what other teams have felt like all these years lol. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Simon said: When you're by yourself in the living room exclaiming out loud about multiple throws, you know your guy is zipping trip 20's all over the place. Oh yeah.......this was me yesterday. My younger kid looks at me like I'm insane. I got up off the couch and kneeled after that Smoke goal-line throw and catch. That's the kind of play that wins Super Bowls in the end. However, Beane better get a high quality backup sooner than later. Praying this isn't the case, but possibly our B-D Football Player under center is going to get injured and we'll need a fort-holder-downer. I don't trust what we have. What's Bridgewater's contract status, @YoloinOhio? Edited October 5, 2020 by Seasons1992 I have more to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: Watch it again. He doesn't put his body into the throw. He could have thrown it 70 yards if he wanted. Amazing arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I love how on Davis TD he looks all the time to the left and then suddenly looks on Davis side and finds him wide open. Yeah, that was impressive. I think if he starts adding pump fakes into his arsenal, he'll raise his game to a new level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I love how on Davis TD he looks all the time to the left and then suddenly looks on Davis side and finds him wide open. And Diggs threw his hand up on the left for the ball too. I can't say from the quick look I had whether he would have scored, but Diggs thought he was open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 When I saw the ball flying 50 yards downfield I thought "alright we're getting a huge chunk play" every other year for as long as I can remember I thought "oh well, gotta keep em honest, on to the next down". 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watching since 1964 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Colin Cowherd just now...”...and Josh Allen doesn’t have a ceiling.” 👏🏻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Was reading an article in the Athletic, below was one quote: Daboll used 19 different packages on Sunday. If that wasn’t impressive enough, he used 15 different personnel combinations through the first half, which consisted of only 30 plays. Got me thinking some, is more of Allen's improvement due to him just finally understanding the offense? Maybe last year when he'd drop back half the time he'd be trying to understand the play that there wasn't enough time left to often throw a good catchable pass. I'm sure working on the mechanics helped too, but maybe the mental part is a bigger reason for the improvement than people realize. Oh he's mastered the offense. That's probably about 10% of why he's successful right now though. He's beginning to master defense as well. He's understanding how a coverage will defend the play called. This is basically done post snap within a couple seconds. It's what seperates QB's. Also in terms of Daboll and his combinations, I was listening to Gruden and the greatest compliment he made about Daboll is he said you can't find Diggs on the field. He's all over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: Watch it again. He doesn't put his body into the throw. He could have thrown it 70 yards if he wanted. Amazing arm. Announcers in the Rams game last week said that he once threw a pass for 86 yards when he was in Wyoming. (FWIW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) No hyperbole, but Josh Allen is the most exciting quarterback I have watched in my lifetime. Vick comes close, but the current version of Josh is just like every QB attribute (outside of decision making...haha) set straight to 100. Size, strength, speed, intelligence, elusiveness, toughness, arm strength, touch, accuracy, will, clutchness and leadership...oh my!!! Holy crap we have hit the jackpot with this dude. Also, I live in SoCal and my friends who are fans of other teams LOVE watching Allen. I get texts every Sunday telling me that Allen is their favorite player in the NFL. Edited October 5, 2020 by TheBrownBear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Simon said: When you're by yourself in the living room exclaiming out loud about multiple throws, you know your guy is zipping trip 20's all over the place. I still say the non-TD throw to Brown was one of the sickest throws I've ever seen by any QB. Threw it from the 25 to the goal line on a rope in the only place he could fit it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 When Allen came out of college, we knew a lot about him. We knew he had a cannon arm and terrific athleticism. We knew he was raw, and we knew he was very smart. Sometimes intelligence does not translate to football intelligence and instinct on the field. The football intelligence/instinct was one of two things we didn't know, the other thing was Allen's drive to improve. Turns out Allen has incredible drive. He also has pretty good football intelligence/instinct. That is on display as he reads defenses and misleads them with his eyes. He still has some lapses, (the awful sack he took late in the game) but part of that is he just wants to make the play happen somehow on every snap. Now, sometimes he will throw the ball away, but he still gives in occasionally that temptation to save a play gone bad. I love the development, though, and I think the hero ball plays will decrease over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, RockpileSurvivor said: Colin Cowherd just now...”...and Josh Allen doesn’t have a ceiling.” 👏🏻 @Teddy KGB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I pulled this from the Las Vegas Review today.. Can you imagine watching this game: "Allen visited Las Vegas with the Cowboys on Nov. 12, 2016, for a game against UNLV at Sam Boyd Stadium. He completed 14 of 31 passes for 334 yards, four TDs and two interceptions, but Wyoming fell 69-66 in triple overtime." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, that was impressive. I think if he starts adding pump fakes into his arsenal, he'll raise his game to a new level. Excellent point. He now rightfully strikes fear into opposing teams. They have no choice now but to race to whatever direction his howitzer unloads. Now sprinkle in pump fakes and the receivers will be untouched walking or standing in the endzone. Definitely saves wear & tear on his receivers bodies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, eball said: I still say the non-TD throw to Brown was one of the sickest throws I've ever seen by any QB. Threw it from the 25 to the goal line on a rope in the only place he could fit it. I think the only throw better, ever, may be the Ben to Santonio SB throw over/around 3 defenders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: No hyperbole, but Josh Allen is the most exciting quarterback I have watched in my lifetime. Vick comes close, but the current version of Josh is just like every QB attribute (outside of decision making...haha) set straight to 100. Size, strength, speed, intelligence, elusiveness, toughness, arm strength, touch, accuracy, will, clutchness and leadership...oh my!!! Holy crap we have hit the jackpot with this dude. Also, I live in SoCal and my friends who are fans of other teams LOVE watching Allen. I get texts every Sunday telling me that Allen is their favorite player in the NFL. Yep, I’ve gotten a lot of texts too from friends all over, Bills are on their way to becoming America’s team... again, thanks to Josh (must-see TV) Allen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Watch Allen's head on the TD to Davis. Guy is in full control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Rico said: Yep, I’ve gotten a lot of texts too from friends all over, Bills are on their way to becoming America’s team... again, thanks to Josh (must-see TV) Allen. Jim Rome is talking about this right now. I don't care if you hate him, but we have the colors and the gusto (shout out to the B-N) to be the darlings. Just need to WIN. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 They need to fix what ails the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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