Happy with the win, not happy with the coaching staff

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

No idea what you are talking about. I said the PI call was a gift in the moment but when I saw the replay I agree it was a good call. It could have gone the other way. If that call was against the Bills we would be screaming the WR initiated the contact all the way down the field.  

The INT call was nuts. Not sure what they saw on the field to even call it an INT and certainly did not see a replay that showed Kroft losing possession of the ball to the DB.

Sorry, this is the post I was responding to when I said that originally.

 

"I'm alarmed by the play of the defense. The Bills were very lucky to get that PI at the end of the game."

 

It wasn't you, but I guess you just picked my post out of context....

[Ethan in Cleveland]

35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

This defense is vastly over-rated. But glad we have an offense that can just outscore you if needed. 

Yup!

Said it last year and was told to look at the stats.  #2 in yards and points. But they played a terrible schedule and collapsed in the playoffs. 

This defense needs help soon. They are too old at DE and too small at DT. Bad combination playing in front of a MLB that still can't figure out where to be.

[Radar]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yup!

Said it last year and was told to look at the stats.  #2 in yards and points. But they played a terrible schedule and collapsed in the playoffs. 

This defense needs help soon. They are too old at DE and too small at DT. Bad combination playing in front of a MLB that still can't figure out where to be.

Stats look good but crunch time this defense is terrible.

 

[iinii]

1 hour ago, bobobonators said:

Look around the NFL today. Vikings blew a huge lead. Atlanta blew another big lead. 
 

We played a potential playoff team today and won. Theyve run up and down the field on everyone so far this season. Our defense has holes. Its a concern. Not sure what MCD could have done better to stop the rams the second half. Our DL was losing the battle at the LOS badly. Its a personnel issue imo not a coaching issue. 

Isn’t personnel a part of coaching?

[bobobonators]

7 minutes ago, iinii said:

Isn’t personnel a part of coaching?

Thats not what this thread is about. 

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Was it the coaches who kept blowing coverage on Kupp and Woods? 

 

Looked like it was the cornerbacks from where I was sitting but that is just me.

This and the D line was not good at all.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, billsfan_34 said:

This and the D line was not good at all.

 

I don't think anyone on defense with the exception of probably Jordan Poyer can look themselves in the mirror and consider they did their 1/11th today. 

 

It was against a good offense and a really good play designer and a QB who is totally in sync with him. But it wasn't good enough from the Bills in the second half.

[billsfan_34]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think anyone on defense with the exception of probably Jordan Poyer can look themselves in the mirror and consider they did their 1/11th today. 

 

It was against a good offense and a really good play designer and a QB who is totally in sync with him. But it wasn't good enough from the Bills in the second half.

I thought Tre and Taron were out on another planet today.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, billsfan_34 said:

I thought Tre and Taron were out on another planet today.

 

The number of times all 3 of the corners got mixed up and blew a coverage was surprising to say the least.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

The Bills were gashing the Rams on the ground and got away from it in the second half, up by 25.

 

It reminded me of them folding in Houston last year.

 

We have the talent but I am starting to question if we have the coaching to take the next step.

 

Honestly, what happened today in the 2nd half was inexcusable.

 

and yet it happens regularly in the nfl 

1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said:

defense gave up 500 yards  and a 28-3 lead  Until further notice we dont have a defense lead team anymore  Were in for a world of hurt with power run teams We also still cant run between the tackles consistently  Bad weather comes they better get this stuff ironed out

it happens 

 

who cares what fans declare the leader of the team

 

of the rings that scare me in a shootout, power running is lower down the list. Don’t love any weakness but I’ll take the paper cuts over being susceptible to big plays  

 

bad weather is completely overrated here 

 

otherwise, spot on 

[Fixxxer]

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

 

Tell me more...

 

had they called all plays, runs, these same guys would be calling the coaching staff conservative. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, Beast said:

The Bills were gashing the Rams on the ground and got away from it in the second half, up by 25.

 

It reminded me of them folding in Houston last year.

 

We have the talent but I am starting to question if we have the coaching to take the next step.

 

Honestly, what happened today in the 2nd half was inexcusable.

Get over it 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, Beast said:

The Bills were gashing the Rams on the ground and got away from it in the second half, up by 25.

 

It reminded me of them folding in Houston last year.

 

We have the talent but I am starting to question if we have the coaching to take the next step.

 

Honestly, what happened today in the 2nd half was inexcusable.

 

How about a little credit to an elite opponent?

[Dr. K]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Was it the coaches who kept blowing coverage on Kupp and Woods? 

 

Looked like it was the cornerbacks from where I was sitting but that is just me.

I don't know how some fans lay it all on the coaches when the players just can't do the job. Plus, the Rams were on fire, and you have to give them some credit. 

[gonzo1105]

I wonder how much was taken out of them from the week before playing in that heat in Miami. The Bills defense I mean. They had to play in scorching heat, their banged up at key spots(Edmunds, Milano, Johnson), and then have to play a great offensive team who controlled the clock and kept them on the field. That can't be easy and they have to go out west next week and go play in the heat again in Las Vegas, just an observation I thought of. They got lucky today but hey they are 3-0 and may have just beaten the best team in the NFC. I wont complain there was many a season where I would have taken this win 10/10 times.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Dr. K said:

I don't know how some fans lay it all on the coaches when the players just can't do the job. Plus, the Rams were on fire, and you have to give them some credit. 

 

Like I said before I would need to look at the all22 to see if I think the coaching staff was putting them in bad spots but honestly from the tv angle it didn't look like that. Looked like players blowing coverages. 

[iinii]

34 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Thats not what this thread is about. 

The title says it is.

[bobobonators]

Pete Carroll must be a horrible coach too to let the Cowboys come back in this game

[billsfan_34]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The number of times all 3 of the corners got mixed up and blew a coverage was surprising to say the least.

Out of position, poor angles, and a lot of loss of contain from our LB’s. 

[dgrochester55]

I am seeing this in a better light than I was right after the game.   We are 3-0 and beat a team that was in the superbowl two years ago.    This was a game that could have been a disaster but they found away to win and Allen brought them back like a star QB.    I am still a little worried about the defense with the teams that we must play this year, but hopefully this was more the Rams having a good offense than Buffalo having a bad Defense.

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, dgrochester55 said:

I am seeing this in a better light than I was right after the game.   We are 3-0 and beat a team that was in the superbowl two years ago.    This was a game that could have been a disaster but they found away to win and Allen brought them back like a star QB.    I am still a little worried about the defense with the teams that we must play this year, but hopefully this was more the Rams having a good offense than Buffalo having a bad Defense.

 

I agree with all of this, but games are won by offense at least in the regular season. No team can't be caught on the wrong week. The Cards lost to the Lions, the Saints lost to the Raiders, The Chiefs were on the brink vs the Chargers. Even the best teams are giving up points. The Seahawks have given up 31 and 30 the last two weeks and everyone thinks they are the NFC favorite.

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Was it the coaches who kept blowing coverage on Kupp and Woods? 

 

Looked like it was the cornerbacks from where I was sitting but that is just me.

It was the LB’s and slot corners

3 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

No excuse for Sean and Leslie. The plays that McVay kept running with Woods and Kupp they had no answer for. They couldn't tackle or stop the run. They played like they were accepting defeat. Dabol was great. He let Josh play his game. He rose to the occasion and put the team on his back. Diggs, Beasley and Davis are as good as it gets. 

 

How much can you blame the coaches for players not tackling?  When you watch the Woods TD, Edmunds should’ve been in perfect position to make a 3 yard stop.  Instead he over pursued a d got burnt.  

[Logic]

The coaching staff who -- during a complete rebuild -- managed to bring the Bills to two playoff berths?

The coaching staff who -- now that the rebuild is just about complete -- has a 3-0 squad, with the latest win coming over a legit Super Bowl contender?

The coaching staff who has schemed an offense that scored 94 points through three weeks?

You're entitled to your opinion. I just disagree with it.

The coaches are not immune from criticism, and there are things they could have done better today -- as is the case with MOST games. If you're angry with the coaches after today's game, though, you're barking entirely up the wrong tree. 

This is what makes America great, though -- the freedom to have wrong opinions.

[Unforgiven]

At this rate I won't get the leaves done this fall.

[fishgrappler]

People that are on board with this topic are obnoxious. We finally have a coaching staff that has our guys ready every single week and will make the playoffs again (hopefully win at least one playoff game) and you idiots think they suck.

 You don’t know what goes into putting a successful team together that consistently wins. 

[dgrochester55]

3 minutes ago, fishgrappler said:

People that are on board with this topic are obnoxious. We finally have a coaching staff that has our guys ready every single week and will make the playoffs again (hopefully win at least one playoff game) and you idiots think they suck.

 You don’t know what goes into putting a successful team together that consistently wins. 

 

If anyone wants to feel better, go to the Jets message board.  It reminds me of the Bills boards about ten years ago.    Quotes include "Start Flacco", "Darnold is worse than Sanchez", "Thursday's game against denver is for the #1 draft pick" and my personal favorite "I wish we had Rex Ryan  again".  Really helps with perspective.

[Old Coot]

I agree with those who say we have a good coaching staff.

 

It is a bit worrisome that the D adjustments are not quicker.  Both this game and the last the D let the other team back into the game from the 3d quarter.

 

The slow adjustments may be a function of our team leading at halftime so its difficult to anticipate how the opponent will adjust. 

 

It's difficult for even the best coaches to adjust on the fly.  The DC will have a call sheet based on what statistically the opponent's O likely will call given down & distance as well as field location.  The DC can't just throw away his call sheet.  He's got to rely more on what the coach upstairs sees that the O is doing and on the D being able to execute the adjustments.

[Hampton Josh fan]

25 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It was the LB’s and slot corners

How much can you blame the coaches for players not tackling?  When you watch the Woods TD, Edmunds should’ve been in perfect position to make a 3 yard stop.  Instead he over pursued a d got burnt.  

You make a valid point, but fundamentals is Sean's calling card. When the Biils shut down the run and hold teams under 17, they usually win and Sean and Leslie are credited. Not only didn't they tackle but Woods and Kupp looked wide open every drive after the interception. I'll bet Sean would tell you he got outcoached by McVay in the 2and half. 

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It was the LB’s and slot corners

How much can you blame the coaches for players not tackling?  When you watch the Woods TD, Edmunds should’ve been in perfect position to make a 3 yard stop.  Instead he over pursued a d got burnt.  

 

Not just them. White and Wallace both blew assignments too.

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, Beast said:

The Bills were gashing the Rams on the ground and got away from it in the second half, up by 25.

 

It reminded me of them folding in Houston last year.

 

We have the talent but I am starting to question if we have the coaching to take the next step.

 

Honestly, what happened today in the 2nd half was inexcusable.

I don't know if it was the playcalling, but it did feel like the Houston game.  They seemed to get away from what had been working.  But the Rams defense also showed up.  The offensive line was having real trouble protecting Allen.   It was a dogfight. 

[y2zipper]

Yeah, the defense wasn't good today. But 

Offense being ahead of defense is the trend across the league so I don't know if it's an indicator. McVay is also one of the best in the league.

 

However, I'll happily trade some concern with the defense for the scoring output we are getting and for efficient Josh Allen.

[Chicagobills]

Singletary was gashing them why did we stop feeding him?! 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

How about a little credit to an elite opponent?

 

Just wait till our Bills have to play a real team...isn't that how the media spins our wins each week

 

Glad for the win,, but ok saying there is a lot of poor play on the defensive side of the ball the Bills will need to correct to turn around these 2nd half collapses that have become a theme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fansince88]

4 hours ago, Beast said:

The Bills were gashing the Rams on the ground and got away from it in the second half, up by 25.

 

It reminded me of them folding in Houston last year.

 

We have the talent but I am starting to question if we have the coaching to take the next step.

 

Honestly, what happened today in the 2nd half was inexcusable.

Congrats. I completed the trifecta of emotions for ya

[1st&ten]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't know if it was the playcalling, but it did feel like the Houston game.  They seemed to get away from what had been working.  But the Rams defense also showed up.  The offensive line was having real trouble protecting Allen.   It was a dogfight. 

Yes your right & I did have a dog in the fight & the better dog won.

[Beast]

19 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't know if it was the playcalling, but it did feel like the Houston game.  They seemed to get away from what had been working.  But the Rams defense also showed up.  The offensive line was having real trouble protecting Allen.   It was a dogfight. 

The Bills ran 29 offensive plays in the first half. 15 runs for 71 yards. The best they have run the ball so far this season. They passed the ball 14 times for 128 yards. Great balance.

 

In the second half the Bills ran the ball 6 times for 30 yards.....still very successful. They threw the ball 19 times for 183 yards.

 

From the time the Bills took the lead at 28-3, until they fell behind 32-28, they were credited with two runs.....back to back by Singletary that resulted in a 1st down to begin the drive after the Rams closed the lead to 28-25. The result of those two runs? 5 yards and 17 yards gained.

 

https://nflcdns.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/58202/BUF_Gamebook.pdf

 

That’s it. Two runs. They were having darn good success, up by a boatload of points, and abandoned the run while the Rams put up 29 unanswered points.

 

That is inexcusable no matter what people on these boards think.

 

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by Beast

[DrDawkinstein]

McD must, must, MUST figure out wtf is happening to the team in the 2nd half (specifically 3rd qtr). It is a problem every single game.

 

That said, the Rams are a very good team, with a very good coach, and the best DLineman (if not all-around player) in the NFL.

 

35-32 sounds like an expected final score, it's just how we got there that folks have a problem with. It was just as much a fluke that we were up 28-3 as it was to have the Rams come back.

 

We still hung in and pulled it out in the end.

 

McD needs to get it fixed, but I TRUST he has a PROCESS to fix it.

 

We're on to Las Vegas.

 

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[Mango]

The defense wasn’t very good today. They got lucky to get out of the first half the way they did. They were opportunistic at the right times but not consistent. 

 

Cant rely on getting gashed then the occasional 3rd down stop. If the pattern is to get gashed those drives will eventually end in points. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Thank God we had a 25 point lead as opposed to 16. McD has to stop this nonsense of quitting on the run. Devin & TJ were getting positive yards. Only 2 runs is unacceptable. 

[stevestojan]

4 hours ago, TBBills said:

The first three posters love to be miserable.... they dont know that it is hard to win in the NFL... that is why they make these threads, they don't know.

In fairness, the games we’ve lost this season have been Sean’s fault.