Josh Allen - week ONE report card

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I doubt the Bills have many games where they need their QB to throw for 400 yards. Those game usually come in shootouts and I struggle to see this team being in many. That said more injuries on the defensive side and that could change.

Fair enough... but I think it happens.. I think Allen explodes.. I think that by the end of the year Allen is viewed as a top 10 QB universally by the media.. I think this game was just the tip of the iceberg.. this offense is just too darn explosive.. Brown is going to destroy people with Diggs taking all that pressure off of him.. this receiving corps we have now is as good as any in the NFL.. this is not an A+ game from Allen... he’s still knocking rust off.. I think this is just the start of something much bigger..

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I expect him to not have 2 lost fumbles while running the football. 

 

 

me neither, but it's still very hard to give a guy that was that much a part of the offense yesterday a "C".

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

me neither, but it's still very hard to give a guy that was that much a part of the offense yesterday a "C".

Why? It's a passing grade. Without the turnovers it's obviously a very good performance, but they happened.

 

I posted right before the game that Allen's fumbles are a major concern. If that happened vs KC we likely lose the game because of those turnovers. In fact the 2nd fumble gave the Jets life.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[CountDorkula]

16 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Just for future reference what qualifies as an A?

 

Not overthrowing 2 wide open targets in the endzone (14 missed points)

Not fumbling twice in Jets territory. (6-14 additional points missed)

 

Allen proved a lot yesterday, but the bills should have blown that game open by at least 20+ points. They had the ball for 41 min and only scored 27 points.

 

Id say B+ is about accurate. If you are not playing the Jets, those turnovers are at least 7-10 point swings.

[Jerboski]

Dude is consistently getting better. Very happy with him 

 

Has to control the fumbling though 

12 minutes ago, teef said:

me neither, but it's still very hard to give a guy that was that much a part of the offense yesterday a "C".

a "C" is ridiculous in my opinion 

 

B - go for it, but a C feels like an agenda 

[GG]

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea - the Brown miss is a play the top QBs might only miss 5 times in a 100... but the other throws people have crabbed - one to Beasley, one to Knox, one to Singletary which were either a narrow miss or balls that more precision might man a touchdown rather than just a completion.... every single Quarterback in the NFL had one or two of those throws this weekend. Every single one. Even Mahomes. If you are just grading Josh's passing he was at worst an A- for yesterday. That is probably what I'd have given him and if he hits Brown it is a clear A. I think bumping him down for the two fumbles which resulted in turnovers is fair, but as a passer only it was a pretty clean game.

 

And I am on record as saying his passing development matters to me much more at this point. So while I do bump his grade for yesterday down to a B+ rather than A- my feeling about where he is headed on the back of that game is 100% positive. Now he needs to stack really good weeks, one after the other. That is what the best guys do. He normally likes playing against Miami so fingers crossed.

 

Need to see All-22 for a better assessment of his progress.   I want to see tangible improvement in decision making and less hesitation in throwing guys open.  Don't know if I really saw that yesterday.  

[teef]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why? It's a passing grade. Without the turnovers it's obviously a very good performance, but they happened.

 

I posted right before the game that Allen's fumbles are a major concern. If that happened vs KC we likely lose the game because of those turnovers. In fact the 2nd fumble have the Jets life.

do you think josh's performance was just passing?  that's insane.

 

hey...grade how you like.  it looks like you posted about the fumbles before the game, they happened, so you're over valuing them.  they're bad...i get it, but it doesn't bring his overall grade down to a C for sunday imo.

 

also, that second fumble never gave the jets life.  the jets were never in it.  that's just being dramatic.

8 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Dude is consistently getting better. Very happy with him 

 

Has to control the fumbling though 

a "C" is ridiculous in my opinion 

 

B - go for it, but a C feels like an agenda 

agreed.  i completely get a B.  a C?  nah.

[DrDawkinstein]

B+ is fair. Dude looked great but you gotta ding him for not just one, but TWO bad fumbles deep into drives that would've meant points.

 

Without the fumbles, he was a solid A. Even with the couple of misses (all QBs have a "couple of misses" each game, all of them).

 

Great start tho! 72% (on 46 attempts!) and 312 yds. You love to see it.

[RoyBatty is alive]

16 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Just for future reference what qualifies as an A?

You can't give him an A with 2 fumbles

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Need to see All-22 for a better assessment of his progress.   I want to see tangible improvement in decision making and less hesitation in throwing guys open.  Don't know if I really saw that yesterday.  

 

Fair, but he did throw a couple of beautiful tight window balls - including the one to Moss for a TD.

[Jerboski]

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

You can't give him an A with 2 fumbles

Can't give him a C either when he was easily one of the best players on the field and moved the ball all game long 

 

Not sayin you gave a C

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Against teams like the Rams or Cowboys those 2 fumbles most likely cost us the game along with the missed FG. Thank god we played the Jets week 1. 

 

If Allen is passing the football like that you can get rid of the designed QB keeper runs. The only time I want to see Allen running is when the Passing play breaks down and there is a opening where he can pick up yardage and slide or run out of bounds without being hit. He needs to watch Russel Wilson tape for a month to see the art of picking up yards as a QB without taking a hit.

 

I would rate him as a B-

Edited September 14, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[GG]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Fair, but he did throw a couple of beautiful tight window balls - including the one to Moss for a TD.

 

This was definitely one of his better games, but he still defaults to his legs when a better (and safer to him) pass is out there.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Can't give him a C either when he was easily one of the best players on the field and moved the ball all game long 

 

Not sayin you gave a C

Basically very good stats, minor mistakes, no turnovers would be an A for me.

 

Now the question is what would be a B. I think a B would be pretty much the game you saw with 1 of the fumbles.

 

I dropped it to a C because you can't fumble twice, especially on those designed runs. Any RB gets benched with 2 1st half fumbles like that. The Jets did score 10 unanswered points after the 2nd fumble. It did change the game.

[GG]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Basically very good stats, minor mistakes, no turnovers would be an A for me.

 

Now the question is what would be a B. I think a B would be pretty much the game you saw with 1 of the fumbles.

 

I dropped it to a C because you can't fumble twice, especially on those designed runs. Any RB gets benched with 2 1st half fumbles like that. The Jets did score 10 unanswered points after the 2nd fumble. It did change the game.

 

Pet peeve.  Jets scored 10 consecutive points after the fumble, not unanswered.  Bills scored 6 points after Jets scored 10. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Basically very good stats, minor mistakes, no turnovers would be an A for me.

 

Now the question is what would be a B. I think a B would be pretty much the game you saw with 1 of the fumbles.

 

I dropped it to a C because you can't fumble twice, especially on those designed runs. Any RB gets benched with 2 1st half fumbles like that. The Jets did score 10 unanswered points after the 2nd fumble. It did change the game.

 

Those 10 were only consecutive because Bass muffed a kick.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

C. Way too many bad plays.

 

Your friends must never be able to find a seat in a bar near you because just as they locate an empty stool and position themselves to sit down, you move it several feet on them.

 

17 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Just for future reference what qualifies as an A?

 

For me, the same performance but missing at least 1 of the 2 fumbles.  The second fumble, he got upended and may have had the choice of landing on his shoulder and protecting the football, or putting an arm down to let him land safely.  Should have gone down earlier but at that point, he may have made the correct split-second decision.

 

The first fumble was just flat out failure to protect the football when running, and there were other instances of running where the football was hanging out there a la Shady and vulnerable.  Hopefully that is rust they will flake off him in a hurry.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You must never be able to find a seat in the bar because just as you locate an empty stool and position yourself to sit down, it moves several feet on ya.

 

 

For me, the same performance but missing at least 1 of the 2 fumbles.  The second fumble, he got upended and may have had the choice of landing on his shoulder and protecting the football, or putting an arm down to let him land safely.  Should have gone down earlier but at that point, he may have made the correct split-second decision.

 

The first fumble was just flat out failure to protect the football when running, and there were other instances of running where the football was hanging out there a la Shady and vulnerable.  Hopefully that is rust they will flake off him in a hurry.

I have very high expectations of Josh Allen. Last year that game is a B in my book. This year it's a C. Higher standards. Championship football.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I have very high expectations of Josh Allen. Last year that game is a B in my book. This year it's a C. Higher standards. Championship football.

 

IOW I called it correctly on the moving bar

[dollars 2 donuts]

Interesting note here.

 

Going back to the Tennessee game last year Josh Allen is 249 out of 422 for a 59% completions, with 19 TDs and 3 interceptions.  

 

He is 8-5 (I ignored the loss against the Jets last year, but still used the 3 for 5, for 5 yards stats), and has the old fashioned style QB rating (not the QBR) of 90.57.

 

Yes, his rushing fumbles hurt him, but man that TD to Interception ratio is impressive.  

 

His career breakdown prior to that game was 13 TDs and 16 Interceptions.

[Gugny]

A-

 

Two fumbles and the missed wide open TD are the only things keeping it from being an A.

 

I'll take it.  He looked ***** great.

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, Nelius said:

B+ is a solid score, I agree. I think it's alright to dock him for the two fumbles, an A+ requires total perfection.

 

But man I am so excited, Allen is an absolute beast. He may be a true MVP contender. We're quibbling over B's or A's while our 1st round franchise QB goes off for 300 yards and multiple scores and yet another W. We've come so far. I may be a little off with his first year stats but I think he's 17-12 as a starter now, and I know for sure he's 11-6 in the regular season since last year. He's one of the best in the AFC already, let's go.

this!  and we are just getting started!

[Nelius]

7 hours ago, shoshin said:

Agree that Allen looked great. The Jets are one of the dumpster fire teams this season. No one credible thought they’d be good. 

 

Yeah you're probably correct in regard to "nobody credible", but it took two seconds to find that walterfootball.com as recently as last week declared that they thought that the Jets "had a chance to reach the playoffs" pre Jamal Adams departure. but again you're probably right.

[ganesh]

29 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Interesting note here.

 

Going back to the Tennessee game last year Josh Allen is 249 out of 422 for a 59% completions, with 19 TDs and 3 interceptions.  

 

He is 8-5 (I ignored the loss against the Jets last year, but still used the 3 for 5, for 5 yards stats), and has the old fashioned style QB rating (not the QBR) of 90.57.

 

Yes, his rushing fumbles hurt him, but man that TD to Interception ratio is impressive.  

 

His career breakdown prior to that game was 13 TDs and 16 Interceptions.

Now some will complain that he *almost* threw two INTs...

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

Now some will complain that he *almost* threw two INTs...

INTs for whatever reason don't bother me as much as fumbles. I guess it all depends on the throw but most INTs are a combination of things, normally miscommunication. Some are bad throws. But obviously you can't play scared so you have to trust what you see.

[ngbills]

I do agree that expectations should be higher for this team and Josh Allen. 

 

If this is a team expected to go 6-10 and Allen is in year 1-2 then I give him an A. 

 

But that is not this team. This is Allen in year 3. I would give it a B and give him the benefit of the doubt in that the team had a big lead so he lost some focus. But again, his stats look good and the score was in our favor. But when the team watches the film there is gonna be a ton of critique. Too many broken plays. Yes, they turned positive but you dont want your success coming from broken plays turned positive. 

 

I just dont think we should watch this game and think we can win every week like that on offense. That is what an A grade would imply. 

Edited September 14, 2020 by ngbills

[NewEra]

18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No it doesn't happen.

Haven’t noticed you til this thread.  If your thought process looked like a movie character, you’d be Chet (Bill Paxton) from weird science after his transformation.  Your takes are awful, truly 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

Yeah you're probably correct in regard to "nobody credible", but it took two seconds to find that walterfootball.com as recently as last week declared that they thought that the Jets "had a chance to reach the playoffs" pre Jamal Adams departure. but again you're probably right.

 

A championship team?  No.

A dumpster fire team?  Well, "NFL Nation" on ESPN (whoevers opinion that is) predicts a 7-9 record for them which is more "mediocre" than "dumpster fire"

 

The CBS sports model predicts 6.5 wins (which rounds to the same record) [They predict the Bills have 9 wins, so we hope they're pessimistic]

 

USA Today Nate Davis is more pessimistic for them at 5-11, but then he has the Tom-Brady led Bucs making a Superbowl push at 10-6 🤷‍♂️

 

WalterFootball just before the season seems to be the only one I could find that predicted a dumpster-fire-like 3-13.  Of course I like him the best because he predicts 11-5 and a series sweep of NE for the Bills - GENIUS!

 

 

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Haven’t noticed you til this thread.  If your thought process looked like a movie character, you’d be Chet (Bill Paxton) from weird science after his transformation.  Your takes are awful, truly 

 

WEIRD SCIENCE!

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

A championship team?  No.

A dumpster fire team?  Well, "NFL Nation" on ESPN (whoevers opinion that is) predicts a 7-9 record for them which is more "mediocre" than "dumpster fire"

 

The CBS sports model predicts 6.5 wins (which rounds to the same record) [They predict the Bills have 9 wins, so we hope they're pessimistic]

 

USA Today Nate Davis is more pessimistic for them at 5-11, but then he has the Tom-Brady led Bucs making a Superbowl push at 10-6 🤷‍♂️

 

WalterFootball just before the season seems to be the only one I could find that predicted a dumpster-fire-like 3-13.  Of course I like him the best because he predicts 11-5 and a series sweep of NE for the Bills - GENIUS!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WEIRD SCIENCE!

Oh the 80’s.  They were glorious 

[Coach Tuesday]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Haven’t noticed you til this thread.  If your thought process looked like a movie character, you’d be Chet (Bill Paxton) from weird science after his transformation.  Your takes are awful, truly 

And that’s.... Game over, man!

[BigDingus]

20 hours ago, rayray808 said:

Year 3 of the weekly report card. In year prior I graded him on a rookie/sophomore rubric but now this is the year and time for him to shine:

 

WEEK ONE GRADE: B+

 

Bills 27 - Jets 17

33/46 - 72% completion - 312 yards - 2 TD's - 0 INT's - 14 rushes - 57 yards - 1 TD rushing - 2 fumbles lost

 

Today we saw some incredible high's, and yet a few head scratching lows that leave me unable to give him an "A" for the week. I love how he had a nice command over the offense through the air to start the game. Confidence, precision, and accurate with his throws. Just when we think though that the franchise has arrived... fumble. And not just a fumble, but the types of fumbles that drove us crazy last year. However Josh did what he does best and bounced back to gain composure of our offense again and did a wonderful job of utilizing Diggs and Brown. However, once we are on the doorstep of putting the nail in the coffin on the Jets - fumble. He did what was needed though to put this game away and I cannot say enough with how good he looked when he was in the pocket firing lasers across the field. Also, that audible he called to Brown for the TD was just awesome to see progression wise.

 

All in all, Josh left me feeling great as a Bills fan. A win. 300 yard game monkey off his back. Passing TD and rushing TD's. However, if he wants to make that jump to an elite QB and/or lock to be a franchise type QB, he needs to eliminate the fumbling issues and missing WIDE OPEN guys like Brown in the endzone... perhaps he needs to realize that being in the pocket can help the team more than the occasional breakout run.

 

POSITIVE STAT OF THE DAY: 312 yards career high passing and finally breaks the 300 yard passing streak that has plagued this team

NEGATIVE STAT OF THE DAY: 14 rushing attempts with 2 fumbles (his career high was 10 last year - maybe it's time to rip some of those pages out of the playbook)

 

Very good & concise breakdown of what I viewed out there as well.

I hate the fumbles, especially the really silly & completely avoidable ones, but the missing wide open guys burns me up even more. This offense has the potential to really put the pressure on opponents, and for once, the Bills seemingly have a QB capable of taking advantage of the league's cushy QB rules geared towards passing offenses. 

After a decade+ of the shift towards being a passing-focused league, the Bills finally have the ability to rise to the occasion. Finding the open man, hitting downfield passes, and getting rid of the ball quickly will make this team a threat no matter who they're up against. Only now, we actually have the personnel to make this into a regular thing.

Our O-line provided a ton of time for Josh to sit back in the pocket as well. Going back & watching highlights made it even more apparent how high the ceiling really is for this offense if Josh continues to develop the way we need him to.

[Just Joshin']

This is where I am.....start with the A.  Demerits for the fumbles.  Yes he missed 2 passes with a 70%+ completion rate but every Sunday good QBs will leave a few on the table.  Final grade A-.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Just Joshin'

[rayray808]

Thanks to everyone for the positive discussion.

 

My intention for the weekly grades it's to 1) offer the most non biased summative review on our QB performance and 2) offer a place where we can all share our opinions on what we saw.

 

Excited for week 2! GO BILLS!

[gordong]

Stopped reading anything after b...... this thread gets an f