billsfan89 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I was shocked that they cut Edwards after such a short time in camp (former Jets punter was pretty good for them, many Jets fans not sure why they cut him.) I thought for sure Edwards would supplant Bojo as Edwards played in similar cold weather and wind conditions in NJ and produced average to above average results. Whereas I feel like Bojo has a shank here and there which is frustrating and can give away a lot of field position. But I guess Bojo must have been that dam good for them to cut Edwards or Edwards must have been that bad? Given how McBeane always puts attention to the little parts of the roster I think the Bills must like what they have with Bojo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Can’t find a better one as of today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 Reasons... 1) Diamond Earring 2) Web Tattoo 3) Pornstache 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 92% chance Bojo doesn’t make it beyond week 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Al Davis is rolling in his grave that we wasted our first round pick on Diggs rather than getting our punter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: This statement is contradictory. Nope. He has a big leg but his kicks are flat. It means it races through to their returner before our coverage team has time to close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: 92% chance Bojo doesn’t make it beyond week 4. I think that’s possible too, I think he’s on a short leash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, ColeB said: Bojorquez was at the bottom of the league last year in punt average. He was decent in 2018 with about a 45 yard average but still in the bottom half. If they’re serious about having good special teams, why do they stick with this guy? With his 40 yard average last season, he’s losing 5 to 10 yards of field position vs other punters. I know they emphasize positional punting and dropping the ball inside the 20 but how many times have we seen a shank from our end when a booming kick was needed? Who is averaging 50 yards per punt? Cannon legged punters in domes, on teams who never get out of their own red zone, with a cloned crew of Usain Bolts for gunners? Edited September 9, 2020 by 1ManRaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: No fanbase cares more about punters than Bills fans. remember when Moorman was the poster boy for our franchise? Good times. Yep. When we get to critiquing the punter, it means everyone else is either very good or they suck. In this case, everyone else is good. In the Moorman years, eveyone else sucked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) So Boho was #31 in punt yards/avg in 2019. But he was also #3 in punts downed and punts inside the 20. 33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nope. He has a big leg but his kicks are flat. It means it races through to their returner before our coverage team has time to close. If that was the case the Bills would give up more return yards. Bills are 21st in punt return yardage. (157yds) So maybe it's not that big an issue? https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/punting?sort=puntnet Edited September 9, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nope. He has a big leg but his kicks are flat. It means it races through to their returner before our coverage team has time to close. https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/punting?sort=puntnet Some more stats. Only 18 returns in 79 punts. Only 22.8%! Best in the league among punters with more than 40 kicks. 8.72 yds/return. Sorry, Gunner. If his punts were as bad as you say, these numbers would be much worse. He can't possibly be out-kicking his coverage. Edited September 9, 2020 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 If we're evaluating Bojorquez from the "kicking" aspect only, I'd say he's probably around ~20th best punter in the league. Yardage isn't great, but placement inside the 20 is pretty good (I will note that a punt from midfield that goes out at the 19 technically counts as a punt inside the 20, but it's still a poor punt). Overall evaluation we need to consider the blocked punts, fumbles, or how about that time he was the holder on a FG attempt, and he was the only player on the field that thought the play was a fake? One of the stupidest plays I've ever seen in the NFL. All told he's definitely a bottom tier punter, and it's pretty disappointing we couldn't find anyone better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Maybe because he's cheap. Third lowest paid player/ $0 guaranteed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjm3 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Tied for most touchbacks and 2nd worst in net yards. I feel like his inside the 20s were mostly close to the 20. Anybody have an inside the 10 stat on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 8 hours ago, That's No Moon said: He had a punt blocked v. New England that was huge. Not sure if he's slow getting the ball off or if that's on protection but IIRC they've gotten him two years in a row. Blocked punts are rarely the fault of the punter, unless they drop/bobble the snap. That was a coverage breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Maybe because his birthday is opening day, so they expect a good game from him against the Jets? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Because he has a big leg. This front office seems to value that above all else. His hang times are appalling and the amount of mistakes he makes is quite stunning. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: So Boho was #31 in punt yards/avg in 2019. But he was also #3 in punts downed and punts inside the 20. If that was the case the Bills would give up more return yards. Bills are 21st in punt return yardage. (157yds) So maybe it's not that big an issue? https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/punting?sort=puntnet That is still comfortably bottom half of the league and we had good coverage players. 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: https://www.footballdb.com/statistics/nfl/player-stats/punting?sort=puntnet Some more stats. Only 18 returns in 79 punts. Only 22.8%! Best in the league among punters with more than 40 kicks. 8.72 yds/return. Sorry, Gunner. If his punts were as bad as you say, these numbers would be much worse. He can't possibly be out-kicking his coverage. Well he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, eball said: Blocked punts are rarely the fault of the punter, unless they drop/bobble the snap. That was a coverage breakdown. Changing the blocking is normally the responsibility of the punter. He wasn't the only one at fault on that play though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 hours ago, ColeB said: Bojorquez was at the bottom of the league last year in punt average. He was decent in 2018 with about a 45 yard average but still in the bottom half. If they’re serious about having good special teams, why do they stick with this guy? With his 40 yard average last season, he’s losing 5 to 10 yards of field position vs other punters. I know they emphasize positional punting and dropping the ball inside the 20 but how many times have we seen a shank from our end when a booming kick was needed? He also punted more than any other punter from within the opponent 45 yard line. Context actually matters when looking at stats. Lack of a kicking threat from over 50 yards last year caused a lot of punts that might have been field goal attempts this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Punting is for suckers! 😉 and losers My first thought is none of the others were doing better that they have brought in........ Makes sense right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Bojo isn't without talent. But he is actually an example of a player who is anti-process. Inconsistent. Big mistakes. But a weapon when he nails it. He is not very McDermott in that respect. I am conservative in very few ways... but when it comes to NFL punting I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is still comfortably bottom half of the league and we had good coverage players. Well he does. Wait. First you said he out-kicks his punt coverage. Now you say he would if his punt coverage team wasn't so good? Lol. Nope. Numbers say he doesn't. And punting yards are a meaningless stat. He can't over-kick his coverage as you insist and only have 23% of his kicks returned. That is the best return-per-punt ratio in the NFL. Besides, how would you even know what his punts look like unless you are in the stadium? Watching on TV? Uhhh, no. Edited September 9, 2020 by PromoTheRobot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Georgie said: Who is available that is any better ? Is King available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 hours ago, That's No Moon said: He had a punt blocked v. New England that was huge. Not sure if he's slow getting the ball off or if that's on protection but IIRC they've gotten him two years in a row. Moon, he didn’t hold onto too long, we had a ST coach who doesn’t realize to coach his gunners to move in when they load 9 or 10 in the box as they are unattended. The Jets did it with 9 and we were lucky, the Giants did it with 10 and we were lucky. Week 3 we had a muffed snap by Ferguson who is solid overall, and between not covering 1 or 2 and a muffed snap equates to a loss to the Pats. Freakin BB figured it out watching tape the first two weeks. To McD’s credit, the ST coach didn’t make the dumb ars mistake again the rest of the year. This is not me defending Bojorquez, as he wasn’t very good, but one blown punt was not on him. That one wasn’t his fault. If you want to accurately state and I’m sure you would his punt avg., ability to directional punt, punt within the 10 yard line, all makes sense. That is equivalent to stating it was the ST’s fault because dumb ars McKelvin blows a Bills lead trying to play hero vs. just fall on the ball after you catch it and we run out the clock and beat the freakin Pats. I hate McKelvin for that one. I didn’t get over it for awhile. It was so stupid, hubris, and could have been avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Irv said: Maybe because he's cheap. Third lowest paid player/ $0 guaranteed. Beane does it again! Manage that cap around the kickers! 1 minute ago, Paulus said: Is King available? Didn’t he have the punter version of AB-itis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tjm3 said: Tied for most touchbacks and 2nd worst in net yards. He punted 17 times from inside the opponents 50. I'll bet not many punters had that many chances from across mid-field... Edit: he put 9 punts inside the opponents ten. Also, 26 fair catches. Edited September 9, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lurker said: He punted 17 times from inside the opponents 50. I'll bet not many punters had that many chances from across mid-field... Edit: he put 9 punts inside the opponents ten. Punted 17 times from the opponent side of the 50? That makes me cringe. That's just so messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Because he has a big leg. This front office seems to value that above all else. His hang times are appalling and the amount of mistakes he makes is quite stunning. That's always been my view too. Maybe Farwell thinks he can fix the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: That was incredible informative. I love when players and coaches go into detail like that. Just shows how good and smart these guys really are Heard a discussion with Moorman a few years ago and he described kicking at different times of year, wind, etc. He was a weapon not just because of his kicking but because he used to be a hurdler. Bills need to get a kicker who can do both on PS for emergencies and development and need an assist ST coach whose job is the kickers. 4 hours ago, Lurker said: Yep. When we get to critiquing the punter, it means everyone else is either very good or they suck. In this case, everyone else is good. In the Moorman years, eveyone else sucked... Moorman at his peak was that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: That's always been my view too. Maybe Farwell thinks he can fix the problems. Farwell is not qualified to fix the problem. I hope (but does not look like it from film) Bojo has worked with a kicking expert during off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Paulus said: Is King available? Yes. Jordan Berry, formerly of the Steelers, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 47 minutes ago, Lurker said: He punted 17 times from inside the opponents 50. I'll bet not many punters had that many chances from across mid-field... Edit: he put 9 punts inside the opponents ten. Also, 26 fair catches. I am saying your wrong but that seems impossible. That would be one per game which is a trend we should have noticed earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am saying your wrong but that seems impossible. That would be one per game which is a trend we should have noticed earlier. I charted every punt in the table above. Look for youself. Week 1: NYJ 40 yard line NYJ 35 yard line Week 2: NYG 40 yard line Week 3: CIN 40 yard line Week 4: NWE 42 yard line NWE 42 yard line NWE 42 yard line Week 5: TEN 43 yard line Week 8: PHI 45 yard line Week 11: MIA 44 yard line Week 12: DEN 48 yard line DEN 41 yard line DEN 41 yard line Week 13: DAL 45 yard line Week 14: BAL 41 yard line Week 16: NWE 47 yard line Week 17: NYJ 47 yard line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Lurker said: He punted 17 times from inside the opponents 50. I'll bet not many punters had that many chances from across mid-field... Edit: he put 9 punts inside the opponents ten. Also, 26 fair catches. I would. Fans are stupid about punting on the other side of the 50. It happens. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, Lurker said: I charted every punt in the table above. Look for youself. Week 1: NYJ 40 yard line NYJ 35 yard line Week 2: NYG 40 yard line Week 3: CIN 40 yard line Week 4: NWE 42 yard line NWE 42 yard line NWE 42 yard line Week 5: TEN 43 yard line Week 8: PHI 45 yard line Week 11: MIA 44 yard line Week 12: DEN 48 yard line DEN 41 yard line DEN 41 yard line Week 13: DAL 45 yard line Week 14: BAL 41 yard line Week 16: NWE 47 yard line Week 17: NYJ 47 yard line This is good work and is hard to believe we were that timid. I felt like we were aggressive much more than we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Obviously if there was a better punter available they would have signed him. It requires no special talent to recognize a good punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: This is good work and is hard to believe we were that timid. I felt like we were aggressive much more than we were. We went for it on 4th and short. 4th and long we punted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: This is good work and is hard to believe we were that timid. I felt like we were aggressive much more than we were. Given our defense -- and the intent they would force a 3-and-out deep in the opponents' zone -- McD was simply playing the odds. A lot of defensive-minded HCs think that way. Sean seemed to get more aggressive later in the year, which bodes well for this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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