McDermott contract extension

[Don Otreply]

From listening to Sean in today’s PC, all the concerns about his short comings, he knows, and states that he needs to be better and not think he’s “got there” because he got a contract extension.
 

Some of us seem to look at his tenure in black and white terms, and because of that see no opportunity for him to get better as a coach, I think that is a short sighted way to think.
 

Looking at SM’s body of work to include what was here in every aspect when he arrived, he has moved mountains, this team is nothing like the organization during the seventeen years of futility we endured. Me, I’m happy as a pig in sh-t with how much better things are compared to the lump of mediocrity it was. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[BillsVet]

14 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Too soon. Last year's schedule was a joke. He had no leverage to go anywhere else.  No reason to extend him now until you see what he does with this team.

At least 6 years is only half of the career INT total for Nathan Peterman but 5 more than the number of successful challenges. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Chemical said:

no harm. But the risk is that the Bills continue to lose to good teams. Even if we are 9-3 next year but get blown out by SF, KC, and SEA while being out coached, there’s a good chance we have the next Marvin Lewis on our hands. 
 

edit: 9-3 through 12 games 

 

For reference, McD's winning percentage against playoff level teams is .150 (3-17) and against non-playoff teams it is .733 (22-8)

 

You can argue that '17 team wasn't expected to do much and they overachieved.  Poor planning in 2018 left them with an almost historically bad offense and a 6-10 finish.

 

Last year I believe several posters sensed that Buffalo was playing a light schedule that ultimately was 30th weakest in strength of schedule.  At some point, good coaches have to beat good teams and McD hasn't done that yet.

 

Still don't see the harm this late into the league's year of waiting on McD.  Of course, the Pegula's have been playing coaching/GM roulette with both franchises and are desperate for continuity and less criticism.  McD provides them with that, but whether he's elite level remains to be seen. 

 

It's clear that, barring a significant injury to their starting QB, no excuses remain to being an 11 or 12 win team and winning playoff games.  The standard cannot be any less with the moves they've made for a few years to shape the team in his image.

[BillsFan4]

Who’s the last Bills head coach to get a contract extension?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

How easily we forget the Peterman debacle and the first half against the dolphins coming out of a bye last season. Let’s celebrate!

4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Oh, like, by this point Mahomes would’ve already won 3...

this could be true. QB is kinda important and both of our wildcard -exit teams had below average ones. What would the best at the most important position have done?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Who’s the last Bills head coach to get a contract extension?

that’s been answered in here somewhere 

 

 

Go back 2 or 3 pages 

 

[Klaista2k]

Anyone concerned about how terrible the offensive production has been under McDermott?

 

 

[RobbRiddick]

I feel very different about this news to how I felt the day we extended Dick Jauron. This is like thinking you're nearly out of spending money for your vacation and then finding roll of 20s in your back pocket.

 

Jauron was like thinking you're finally over the flu and then finding out you have AIDS.

 

So glad to get him signed up, one less thing to worry about. Now let's get a contract under Beane's nose 

[KingBoots8]

On 8/12/2020 at 2:13 PM, ganesh said:

I think Milano and Dawkins get one before Tre. 

Half way there Nostradamus lol

[Logic]

Anybody who is questioning this extension for any reason clearly does not fully understand the context surrounding it.

Prior to McDermott's arrival, the Bills were a laughingstock for two decades. Their reputation around the league was absolutely AWFUL. Before McDermott showed up, the phrases "toxic culture" and "dumpster fire" were used by national outlets to describe the Bills. In just three seasons, McDermott COMPLETELY overhauled the team culture and reputation, such that players now WANT to come to Buffalo. The Bills are now universally acknowledged as being an up-and-coming, well-coached team with a top notch team culture. 

While the credit for turning over the roster should go to Brandon Beane, and the credit for being willing to pour money and resources into the team should go to the Pegulas, the credit for turning around the TEAM CULTURE should go almost entirely to Sean McDermott. Yes, Beane did a great job bringing in players that fit McDermott's vision, but it was coach McDermott himself who instilled the discipline, set the tone, and established what this team IS and WILL BE in the years to come. 

To just look at his record of 25-23 or to just look at the Bills offensive performance, or his occasional game day blunders, or whatever other aspects of his resume one wants to look at to conclude that the extension was premature or unwarranted, is to completely ignore or disregard the surrounding context. Sean McDermott, in just three years, turned the Bills from perpetual laughingstocks with a toxic culture into perpetual contenders with an elite team culture. It's impossible to overstate what a complete 180 the Bills organization has done under his leadership. 

He deserves every penny, and the extension did not come a moment too soon.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Logic

[eball]

@Logic proving he deserves the nickname with the above post. Bravo. 

[Locomark]

The reason this is important is because the Pegulas are now realizing how different a franchise can be with truly great management. Their Bills (Great) and Sabres (horrible) experiences have shown them that. So I think they understand you can’t get into contract years with high performing management or you may lose them, just like players. Good job on McD. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[reddogblitz]

21 hours ago, Logic said:

Sean McDermott, in just three years, turned the Bills from perpetual laughingstocks with a toxic culture into perpetual contenders with an elite team culture. It's impossible to overstate what a complete 180 the Bills organization has done under his leadership.

 

True. He has now raised us to Can't Win the Big One status.

 

I LOVE what he's done in getting us to playoffs 2 out of last 3 years.  Losing 2 playoff games there for the taking concerns me however.

 

I will believe he is for sure THE GUY when we win a playoff game at home.

[Victory Formation]

23 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

True. He has now raised us to Can't Win the Big One status.

 

I LOVE what he's done in getting us to playoffs 2 out of last 3 years.  Losing 2 playoff games there for the taking concerns me however.

 

I will believe he is for sure THE GUY when we win a playoff game at home.

I think we’ll get there man. Bills are a powerhouse, just need Allen to step up and be the man.

[eball]

23 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

True. He has now raised us to Can't Win the Big One status.

 

I LOVE what he's done in getting us to playoffs 2 out of last 3 years.  Losing 2 playoff games there for the taking concerns me however.

 

I will believe he is for sure THE GUY when we win a playoff game at home.

Yeah, I mean a guy who can’t come in and win the Super Bowl in a year or two — you’ve got to think about whether you’ve made a mistake here if you’re the Pegulas. 

[Virgil]

Have financials been released yet?

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Yeah, I mean a guy who can’t come in and win the Super Bowl in a year or two — you’ve got to think about whether you’ve made a mistake here if you’re the Pegulas. 

 

Actually it's 3 going on 4.

 

We'll find out if they made a mistake in the coming years.

 

We choked vs.Carolina In 2017 and even more so last year. We were up 16-0 with 5 to play in 3rd only to come from ahead to lose.  Don't make a habit of it.

 

Hopefully this year if we get in we can win a game or 2 or what the neck 3.

 

I LOVE a lot of what Coach has done so far. Now it's time to kick it up a notch and win a playoff game.

[y2zipper]

Since passing efficiency is the #1 stat that correlates with winning in the regular season, Coaching records and situations should be judged based on QB play for context. 

 

For context, McDermott hasn't had better than the 20th most efficient passing offense (2017) and they've ranked 32nd and 26th in Allen's 2 years here. At that level of quarterbacking, Buffalo is 25-23 with 2 playoff appearances. I don't expect the team to compete for super bowls unless the QB play gets better and in a hurry, but the extension is well warranted because McDermott is punching above the QB weight class.

 

More simply put, he gets the most out of the tram, they play hard and have a great defense. This isn't difficult.

 

I've always compared the performance to pre-Wilson Seattle, though McDermott's performance is actually a little better than that.

[VW82]

I'm as big of a McD fan as anyone but even I have to admit this doesn't make a lot of sense. They had him under contract for two more years and we still don't know if either of our QBs are good. If they aren't and this becomes an ongoing blind spot that's a hell of a commitment for 7-10 wins every year. Outside of the QB situation he's been excellent. Really hope this works out.   

Edited August 15, 2020 by VW82

[Penfield45]

On 8/12/2020 at 1:05 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Wow. When is the last time we extended a head coach? 

 

while ago but we have done it plenty of times, each time its been a nightmare 

 

hopefully this is different. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

Lol. Go Marv 

[machine gun kelly]

Shady, thanks for the find.  That was great and Marv is always the best with these small clips.  VW, you extend him because you don’t wait for him to be a lame duck at the end of 2020 and becomes an enormous distraction like it has been for other teams like Dallas with Garrett.  You either want him after three years and they did, or you don’t.  This was a great decision and Beane even better when it happens.

 

The problem as has been said so many times is screwing with a good tandem.  We can enjoy hopefully these two and the people under the, for six years.  If it doesn’t work out, which I seriously doubt, ok.  We’re talking about having a secure administration and coaching for eight years minimum, and look how that worked for Pittsburgh since 1970.

[VW82]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Shady, thanks for the find.  That was great and Marv is always the best with these small clips.  VW, you extend him because you don’t wait for him to be a lame duck at the end of 2020 and becomes an enormous distraction like it has been for other teams like Dallas with Garrett.  You either want him after three years and they did, or you don’t.  This was a great decision and Beane even better when it happens.

 

The problem as has been said so many times is screwing with a good tandem.  We can enjoy hopefully these two and the people under the, for six years.  If it doesn’t work out, which I seriously doubt, ok.  We’re talking about having a secure administration and coaching for eight years minimum, and look how that worked for Pittsburgh since 1970.

 

Do you think McD was expecting to be extended with two years to go? I would've wanted to wait until training camp was done to make sure Josh was looking like he would made another leap. On the other hand, maybe they know something we don't. 

 

If Josh goes the way Trubisky did in year 3 then this will look premature IMO. I get why they did it though. McD built them a culture and that's so hard to find. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

Do you think McD was expecting to be extended with two years to go? I would've wanted to wait until training camp was done to make sure Josh was looking like he would made another leap. On the other hand, maybe they know something we don't. 

 

If Josh goes the way Trubisky did in year 3 then this will look premature IMO. I get why they did it though. McD built them a culture and that's so hard to find. 

 

Why is McD responsible for Josh? He's not a scout for offensive talent.

[VW82]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Why is McD responsible for Josh? He's not a scout for offensive talent.

Because he’s the one running the show. McD was hired first, extended first, and even though he’s not OC his prints are all over the Allen pick. And if Allen doesn’t work out he’ll have final say on whatever we do next. When you’re the boss the buck stops with you. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

Because he’s the one running the show. McD was hired first, extended first, and even though he’s not OC his prints are all over the Allen pick. And if Allen doesn’t work out he’ll have final say on whatever we do next. When you’re the boss the buck stops with you. 

 

I disagree.  I think McD is absolutely in charge of defensive picks and FAs, but not offensive ones.

[Milanos Milano]

I heard he gets paid at a rate of $50 per clap. 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I disagree.  I think McD is absolutely in charge of defensive picks and FAs, but not offensive ones.

 

McDermott has the final say on pretty much anything from how it appears. Now I think he trusts Beane totally and they work hand in hand and I am sure it was Beane and Schoen who settled on Josh but had McDermott said no he wouldn't have been the pick. 

[machine gun kelly]

10 hours ago, VW82 said:

 

Do you think McD was expecting to be extended with two years to go? I would've wanted to wait until training camp was done to make sure Josh was looking like he would made another leap. On the other hand, maybe they know something we don't. 

 

If Josh goes the way Trubisky did in year 3 then this will look premature IMO. I get why they did it though. McD built them a culture and that's so hard to find. 

VW, his future is not all about Allen.  If Allen significantly regresses which I don’t expect, they will either in 2021 or 22 draft another QB.  McD can survive one loss.  I’m not saying it would be easy, but the Pegulas would most likely give him one more try.  They are bright and know he and Beane are the Bills future.  It was a smart move on the Pegulas amd don’t be surprised if you read of an extension to Beane before the end of 2020.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

VW, his future is not all about Allen.  If Allen significantly regresses which I don’t expect, they will either in 2021 or 22 draft another QB.  McD can survive one loss.  I’m not saying it would be easy, but the Pegulas would most likely give him one more try.  They are bright and know he and Beane are the Bills future.  It was a smart move on the Pegulas amd don’t be surprised if you read of an extension to Beane before the end of 2020.

 

Agree I think the roster is good enough that even if Josh regresses the Bills are about an 8-8 team like the Bears were last year (not dissimilar). I think the Pegulas would probably stick with the regime and let them go again at Quarterback if it comes to that. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

VW, his future is not all about Allen.  If Allen significantly regresses which I don’t expect, they will either in 2021 or 22 draft another QB.  McD can survive one loss.  I’m not saying it would be easy, but the Pegulas would most likely give him one more try.  They are bright and know he and Beane are the Bills future.  It was a smart move on the Pegulas amd don’t be surprised if you read of an extension to Beane before the end of 2020.

 

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree I think the roster is good enough that even if Josh regresses the Bills are about an 8-8 team like the Bears were last year (not dissimilar). I think the Pegulas would probably stick with the regime and let them go again at Quarterback if it comes to that. 

 

Yup.  As difficult as it is to find a franchise QB, you can’t overlook the change in culture (McD) and reshaping of the roster (Beane) and put all of the eggs in the Josh Allen basket.  I think the Pegulas understand that.

 

Hopefully it will all be a moot point.

[Doc]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

McDermott has the final say on pretty much anything from how it appears. Now I think he trusts Beane totally and they work hand in hand and I am sure it was Beane and Schoen who settled on Josh but had McDermott said no he wouldn't have been the pick. 

 

I can see that.  But I'd still put Josh on Beane more than anyone else.

[Don Otreply]

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I can see that.  But I'd still put Josh on Beane more than anyone else.

I would think that such an important pick would be agreed on by both the HC & GM. Especially those two.  BB & SM see themselves as the next long term success story in the NFL, ya can’t build towards that goal if  HC & GM are not constantly working with each other, and in agreement the majority of the time. 
 

I also think that Kim & Terry will allow an opportunity for a 2nd go round on a QB if Josh doesn’t pan out. Although I think Josh will get the job done. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Royale with Cheese]

This extension 10 years from now will be looked at as the greatest decision ever made in NFL history.

[machine gun kelly]

Royal, I like where you’re heads at with that take, and Beane’s coming next.

[Punching Bag]

13 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I disagree.  I think McD is absolutely in charge of defensive picks and FAs, but not offensive ones.

 

I agree with Doc.  If Coach McD was in charge of offense picks he would have picked a QB first year for he would have wanted the QB to learn behind a veteran but was not comfortable with that so didn't.   He proved his was no offense expert with choices of OC and WR coaches among others.

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I would think that such an important pick would be agreed on by both the HC & GM. Especially those two.  BB & SM see themselves as the next long term success story in the NFL, ya can’t build towards that goal if  HC & GM are not constantly working with each other, and in agreement the majority of the time. 
 

I also think that Kim & Terry will allow an opportunity for a 2nd go round on a QB if Josh doesn’t pan out. Although I think Josh will get the job done. 
 

Go Bills!!!

 

Definitely.  With McD I can see it being a "we need a QB and I trust your scouting so let's go with Josh" type of thing, not "it's my decision and I've decided that it's going to be Josh, period."

 

[C.Biscuit97]

6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

VW, his future is not all about Allen.  If Allen significantly regresses which I don’t expect, they will either in 2021 or 22 draft another QB.  McD can survive one loss.  I’m not saying it would be easy, but the Pegulas would most likely give him one more try.  They are bright and know he and Beane are the Bills future.  It was a smart move on the Pegulas amd don’t be surprised if you read of an extension to Beane before the end of 2020.

If they screwed up the Allen pick, why should they get another shot to screw up again?  It’s the highest drafted qb in franchise history.  And if Allen isn’t a franchise guy, there was overwhelming evidence that he won’t be.  The Allen pick will either be genius or completely idiotic.  Nothing in between. 
 

im fine with McDermott because he at worst is a very good DC.  But if Allen isn’t the guy, we need a new GM (even though McDermott gets final say). 

[machine gun kelly]

Biscuit, you’re kidding right.  Beane and McD have transformed this team into an emerging winner making the playoffs two of three years together, the by far most talented we’ve had in 22 years at the least, and they are reclaiming most likely the East this year.  You’re in the vast minority if you are advocating for Beane to be gone if Allen turns out average.  He only started two years at Wyoming and two years on a rebuilding Bills team.

 

They will be given a second bite at the Apple, but I don’t think that will happen.  Allen May never be Drew Brees, but he probably will be a top 13-14 QB, and maybe higher.  I’ll give you this, he has no excuses anymore not by me or anyone else.  He has the same offensive system, Coordinator, consistency in a QB coach, had all the off season coaching he should need in Palmer, and more weapons than I can remember in WR’s, RB’s, a stable O Line, and if he holds onto the ball the best TE since Metzelaars.  So, I’ll go along he has more than enough to be successful, and if he progresses this year let’s say to the 63%, and even farther in 2021, then he’ll get that 5th year option.

 

Anyway, Beane and McD will be safe.  Getting rid of either piece prematurely is exactly the reason we didn’t make the playoffs for 17 years.  We picked and retained bad Presidents (Brandon), GM’s, and Coaches.  We have all of that fixed now.  It is a great time to see what’s going to happen next for the Bills.

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If they screwed up the Allen pick, why should they get another shot to screw up again?  It’s the highest drafted qb in franchise history.  And if Allen isn’t a franchise guy, there was overwhelming evidence that he won’t be.  The Allen pick will either be genius or completely idiotic.  Nothing in between. 
 

im fine with McDermott because he at worst is a very good DC.  But if Allen isn’t the guy, we need a new GM (even though McDermott gets final say). 

 

They sure picked the "right" Josh.  You have to agree with that.