purple haze Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Back2Buff said: lol, ok buddy. I will sure stop because you told me to. Please explain why they would cut Long now when they haven't even started camp yet and guys are going to get hurt? The only reason to cut the guy now is to save money. Don't give me the whole nonsense about letting him catch on to another team. He doesn't need another team if he is on this team. Save money because the cap will likely be 20 million or so lower next season, and the Bills have Dawkins, Milano and other guys on 1year deals to extend or re-sign. In that scenario you don’t keep a backup offensive lineman at Long’s cap numbers. Or you don’t keep Long for that reason coupled with behind the scenes information we will never know. Edited August 5, 2020 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Evan Boehm is essentially a younger, much cheaper version of Long. I liked Long, but this makes sense if the Winters thing is official. But as others have mentioned, i do think they really like Ryan Bates as well. Still a lot of flexibility in terms of guys who can play guard and center. If they need more, with Morse and Boehm already here, maybe they being in Justin Britt too, some more Mizzou grit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I give credit here for constantly tinkering with the Roster so every day our depth is a little bit stronger and our cap is a little bit better. Basically every day he is improving the team. i like that constant focus. He is a primary reason that if Josh can be a top 10 QB we have a real shot at winning a SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 There was someone who made the assertion they cut him among other things as he expected to opt out and Beane cut it off beforehand. That’s most likely not accurate as the $150k opt out for personal, not medical reasons is only a stipend. He has to pay it back next year, and comes out of any 2021 contract, or out of his wallet if he is not picked up. What I didn’t know until Polisario said when interviewed yesterday that the medical opt outs at $350 only $200 k is guaranteed and not needed to pay back. The first $150k is only an advance coming off next year’s contract. Given these points, it’s actually better to be cut and even if Long received the minimum, it is far above what he makes to not play. With the number of persons opting out, which is proportionally higher in lineman, he will get picked up by someone. I really liked the post that broke down the line depth. Good job. I do think he’s versatile enough someone will pick him up as flexibility between guard and center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Who plays behind Morse? No Feliciano and no Long? Evan Boeheim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Long only played significant snaps in three games last year — and one of them was the meaningless finale against the Jets. He was hardly an indispensable piece and at his salary, combined with what Beane brought in and what they already had, makes this a far less questionable move to me than many here seem to think. Those 150 or so snaps of his won’t be missed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 hours ago, purple haze said: Save money because the cap will likely be 20 million or so lower next season, and the Bills have Dawkins, Milano and other guys on 1year deals to extend or re-sign. In that scenario you don’t keep a backup offensive lineman at Long’s cap numbers. Or you don’t keep Long for that reason coupled with behind the scenes information we will never know. There is no cap benefit to cutting him now versus Sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, eball said: Long only played significant snaps in three games last year — and one of them was the meaningless finale against the Jets. He was hardly an indispensable piece and at his salary, combined with what Beane brought in and what they already had, makes this a far less questionable move to me than many here seem to think. Those 150 or so snaps of his won’t be missed. As I understand it - the Bills will save six million dollars on their salary cap (over the next two years) by releasing Long. With all the new deals that we will have to negotiate with our good young players coming up fast -- doesn't releasing a relatively expensive veteran backup lineman, who played such a small percentage of snaps for us, make complete sense? I think that they released him earlier rather than later as a show of respect for Long - to give him a better opportunity to find a team where he can fit in. It looks like a move by McBeane for a player that they respect, but who no longer fits into the teams needs salary cap-wise - a class move that some of our previous management groups rarely made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Who plays behind Morse? No Feliciano and no Long? Boehm.Boeetger has played center and Bates said it's HIS preference. I get the cap savings but this seems risky in these odd times. Hope this move doesn't come back to haunt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Back2Buff said: There is no cap benefit to cutting him now versus Sept. Why wait? They obviously feel that they have cheaper options at the position who will give them the same level of performance. Do Long a solid and let him go now when he can catch on elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, purple haze said: Why wait? They obviously feel that they have cheaper options at the position who will give them the same level of performance. Do Long a solid and let him go now when he can catch on elsewhere. Injuries happen during training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 hours ago, eball said: Long only played significant snaps in three games last year — and one of them was the meaningless finale against the Jets. He was hardly an indispensable piece and at his salary, combined with what Beane brought in and what they already had, makes this a far less questionable move to me than many here seem to think. Those 150 or so snaps of his won’t be missed. He did play well in the time he got though I thought but we are so extremely deep at OG......I just liked Beans thing where he got picks for players but we are in different times right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Injuries happen during training camp. If Long got injured they’d be on the hook for his money which is the main reason they let him go. They have enough to compete with in practice. If he doesn’t sign elsewhere they can bring him back for cheaper or find another lineman, if need be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 If you consider every player based on financial cost to the team, then Long can easily be replaced at less cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 11:09 AM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Long is a valuable piece though. There are guys much further down the roster that could have been cut instead of Long. St double or triple his salary though after picking up the other guard that was released by the Jets someone had to go so why not save some cash & keep the younger guy with a better upside ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 He was signed before free agency last year as insurance if we couldnt get a top center. They then signed morse/feliciano... with long obviously competing at RG/LG... they then brought in spain for less than long... he lost every competition. Bringing in Winters and Williams to me indicates that they didn't have a ton of faith in him to play meaningful snaps. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, dneveu said: He was signed before free agency last year as insurance if we couldnt get a top center. They then signed morse/feliciano... with long obviously competing at RG/LG... they then brought in spain for less than long... he lost every competition. Bringing in Winters and Williams to me indicates that they didn't have a ton of faith in him to play meaningful snaps. Pretty much exactly how I see it too. They don't seem to have confidence in him as a Center and there is too much better talent at G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Long was signed by San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Long was signed by San Francisco. Not shocking he found a landing spot, Oline play in the league is hard to come by. He should be able to hang around the league for a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Just now, billsfan89 said: Not shocking he found a landing spot, Oline play in the league is hard to come by. He should be able to hang around the league for a few more years. They had 2 OL opt out so replacements were needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Sorry to see him go, but understand it for cost cutting. It’s why I don’t think people who keep advocating to pick up this person or that person don’t seem to understand the prep for a tough off season from 2020-2021. We need to save as many $ for current players we’re trying to keep. I know many understand this point, but we need to keep our own. We’ll prevail if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Long was signed by San Francisco. https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-sign-veteran-o-lineman-spencer-long-compensate-opt-outs Long joins the 49ers at the end of a week that saw two of the team’s linemen -- Shon Coleman and Jake Brendel -- opt out due to concerns over the coronavirus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Long got picked up before he hit the floor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Long got picked up before he hit the floor Which made it even more surprising they didn't keep him for a few more days to get a draft choice for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Billy Claude said: Which made it even more surprising they didn't keep him for a few more days to get a draft choice for him. Likely because Winters was hot and they had no one else they wanted to release at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: Likely because Winters was hot and they had no one else they wanted to release at this time. There must be 10 guys out of the 80 that they already know will not make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Billy Claude said: There must be 10 guys out of the 80 that they already know will not make the team. Who are needed for practice. Let’s not pretend Beane doesn’t know how to work the system or somehow “screwed up” not holding onto Long to get a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 16 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Not shocking he found a landing spot, Oline play in the league is hard to come by. He should be able to hang around the league for a few more years. I think Long is a high level backup / replacement level starter. He isn't ever going to lose you a game single handed. Offensive lineman in that mold are very much in short supply league wide. Wouldn't shock me if he ended up starting for San Fran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, eball said: Who are needed for practice. Let’s not pretend Beane doesn’t know how to work the system or somehow “screwed up” not holding onto Long to get a draft pick. This. I have no doubt he shopped-him-around and found no takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 12:09 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Long is a valuable piece though. There are guys much further down the roster that could have been cut instead of Long. I think it’s a salary issue. Plus we don’t know what type of shape he reported at. There could be a lot of factors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think Long is a high level backup / replacement level starter. He isn't ever going to lose you a game single handed. Offensive lineman in that mold are very much in short supply league wide. Wouldn't shock me if he ended up starting for San Fran. Kind of like Kraig Urbik? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, JohnNord said: I think it’s a salary issue. Plus we don’t know what type of shape he reported at. There could be a lot of factors His salary was negligible. I still say that when he saw Winters get signed, ostensibly to be the starter at RG, he got pissed and asked to be traded or released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Doc said: This. I have no doubt he shopped-him-around and found no takers. I think Long's salary made it harder to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I think Long's salary made it harder to trade him. Definitely. Basically I was saying that when they signed Winters to start, Long wanted out one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Not sure if it's been stated, but IIRC, they've had Ike Boattger taking snaps at center during practices since his draft. He might be something of a sleeper candidate for the O-line. If I recall, his stock was really high his Jr year (projected 2nd round, I think?), and fell due to injury his senior year. If they see him as having the potential for backing up Morse, they could have seen his value as greater than Long's. I don't believe Long delivered a single snap at center last season, even though he was listed as Morse's backup. And if, as the season progresses, they don't think Boattger is effectively filling that role, Feliciano comes back eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 You know your team is built when you are getting rid of quality/serviceable depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: You know your team is built when you are getting rid of quality/serviceable depth. Hell yeah. The Bills drop a reserve O-lineman and he immediately gets snatched up by a Super Bowl participant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, eball said: Hell yeah. The Bills drop a reserve O-lineman and he immediately gets snatched up by a Super Bowl participant. We are built! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 7 hours ago, eball said: Who are needed for practice. Let’s not pretend Beane doesn’t know how to work the system or somehow “screwed up” not holding onto Long to get a draft pick. oh he who cannot be questioned ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 18 hours ago, NoSaint said: oh he who cannot be questioned ever. It is crazy that some people will not have any decision questioned. I am pro the regime. But they haven't got everything right and will not get everything right in future. It is reasonable still to debate the moves they make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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