ESPN+: Top 10 WRs according to league personnel

[ProcessAccepted]

DeVante Parker should be in the honorable mentions. I really think Miami has a top flight WR who is only going to get better.

 

AFC East is shaping up for a return to the Bills Dolphins rivalry of the late 80's early 90's.

[T master]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

Tyreek is a good player but he benefits immensely from Mahomes. Look at his stats before Mahomes. His sophomore season was basically John Brown last year. Then Mahomes arrives and his numbers explode.

 

I would put Evans ahead of Hill and Beckham, but OBJ could have a bounce back year. 

 

Just saying but you put Mahomes in any offense the WR's number are going to explode the dude is a beast he and Josh are very similar i believe Mahomes just reads the D faster and is a bit more accurate but i think Josh will show us a improvement when ever they get back on the field .

[Protocal69]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

No, he meant an equal tier. I disagree a bit. Godwin is above all of them, and if Cooper continues to play the way he has been he's above Diggs and Golliday too.

Diggs is a very nice player, but I think I'd take Theilen over him

Thats crazy thay you would take Theilen over Diggs

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not a big Keenan Allen guy. I never have been. He is good but almost all my top 10 I have things in their game I think are special, separation or rout running or hands or the way they use their body or their big play ability or their ability in the clutch. That is what I struggle with when it comes to Allen. What is that one hang your hat on it thing he does at an elite level?

Route Running

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, DCOrange said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/29400333/ranking-nfl-best-wide-receivers-2020-execs-players-coaches-debate-top-10

 

Figured this one could potentially drive some discussion as we finally have a player worthy of being considered for one of these articles. The top 10 according to the 50 league personnel panel ESPN is using (followed by their highest and lowest ranking)

 

1. Julio Jones - 1st - 7th
2. Michael Thomas - 1st - 6th
3. DeAndre Hopkins - 1st - 6th
4. Odell Beckham - 1st - 10th
5. Tyreek Hill - 3rd - 11th
6. Mike Evans - 1st - 12th
7. DaVante Adams - 1st - 12th
8. Keenan Allen - 2nd - 10th
9. Chris Godwin - 4th - unranked
10. Amari Cooper - 5th - unranked

 

Honorable Mentions:

• Stefon Diggs - ""Would go to battle with Diggs all day. Dude is a beast. And he has that No. 1 WR dog to him. I love that." -- NFL offensive assistant; "He could have a career year in Buffalo by the way they will use him. He's a true No. 1 but he seems constantly unhappy and frustrated." -- another NFL assistant"
• Adam Thielen
• Kenny Golladay
• AJ Green
• Courtland Sutton

Diggs is top 5 IMO.  Here is my justification:  

 

Name 5 WR’s with better feet?  I can’t 

 

Name 5 WR’s with better route running?  I can’t

 

Name 5 WR’s with better at the deep ball?  I can’t, and he was also statistically ranked number one in this too.

 

Name 5 WR’s with better contested catches?  I can’t, again he’s also statistically number 1.

 

Name 5 WR’s with better hands?  This one has more competition as there are some guys with great hands, but Diggs has great hands too.  
 

Name 5 WR’s with more explosive breaks and cuts?  I can’t.

 

And I’ve thought these things before he became a Bill.  He doesn’t yet have the top 5 stats, but he also played alongside another stud WR and also saw his offense transition into dangerous running game with a cooks too.  But talent wise, I got him in my top 5.  
 

Cooper being on the list over Diggs is gross.  Not a chance.  

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Thats crazy thay you would take Theilen over Diggs

Route Running

I'd take him 11/10 times. He's a complete player. I see Diggs as more of a deep threat guy.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'd take him 11/10 times. He's a complete player. I see Diggs as more of a deep threat guy.

Thielen does nothing better than Diggs

[Protocal69]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

I'd take him 11/10 times. He's a complete player. I see Diggs as more of a deep threat guy.

Then you are wrong. Diggs runs all the routes and almost always draws the other teams number 1 corner and was the one who helped teach Theilen how to run routes.

 

I like Theilen but Diggs is the guy

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, JustWinPlease said:

The top-3 are Michael Thomas, Deandre Hopkins and Mike Evans.

Imagine what Mike Evans could do with a good QB...he's so underrated.

See I like Evans but think he plays in the perfect system. He’s big, fast and physical and they chuck it all over the field. Say what you want about Jameis but he did throw for 5,100 yards last year. It’s not like that doesn’t help those 2 receivers. I’m not sure how much more we can expect? 
 

Julio is clearly in the top 3 for me. A healthy Julio has the best tools IMO.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I think Diggs is equal to all the WR’s on this list except Evans and Thomas. Diggs is going to be amazing for us, I still cannot believe that he is here in Buffalo.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Thielen does nothing better than Diggs

I argue he does everything better or equal except speed. He's bigger, stronger, runs better routes, breaks more tackles. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I argue he does everything better or equal except speed. He's bigger, stronger, runs better routes, breaks more tackles. 

The route running is inarguably in favor of Diggs. I suppose breaking tackles would be an area where Thielen is better because he is bigger/stronger, but you will be hard pressed to find anyone outside Minnesota who thinks he's the superior wideout in any respect imo

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Then you are wrong. Diggs runs all the routes and almost always draws the other teams number 1 corner and was the one who helped teach Theilen how to run routes.

 

I like Theilen but Diggs is the guy

Without being too much of a homer I agree 100%. Thielen is a nice player. He’s in the Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp, Juju, Lockett tier IMO. They are good players but don’t keep coordinators up at night. Diggs’ combination of route running and explosiveness put him in a tier above. He’s considered by many as the best route runner in the league. He has elite hands and is tough in traffic. He’s been a bit of a malcontent but his skill set is elite.

[boater]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

He's a true No. 1 but he seems constantly unhappy and frustrated.

Diggs has also voiced his discomfort regarding NFL COVID preps.

 

Have we bought a diva? Did we buy a pig-in-a-poke?

 

[BullBuchanan]

16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Without being too much of a homer I agree 100%. Thielen is a nice player. He’s in the Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp, Juju, Lockett tier IMO. They are good players but don’t keep coordinators up at night. Diggs’ combination of route running and explosiveness put him in a tier above. He’s considered by many as the best route runner in the league. He has elite hands and is tough in traffic. He’s been a bit of a malcontent but his skill set is elite.

This is exactly how I view Diggs. A really nice player, but more of an elite number 2. I see him as a bit of a Brandin Cooks clone or the ultimate version of John Brown. I just don't think he has the physical tools to ever be that #1 guy. That said, I'm not really interested in getting in a fight over it. We had the same conversation last year about how John brown would come in and be a star and it's happening all over again this year.

I'm really happy to have Diggs. He's a very good player in his prime on very favorable cap terms. I couldn't ask any more of him.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not a big Keenan Allen guy. I never have been. He is good but almost all my top 10 I have things in their game I think are special, separation or rout running or hands or the way they use their body or their big play ability or their ability in the clutch. That is what I struggle with when it comes to Allen. What is that one hang your hat on it thing he does at an elite level?

 

Ok; Keenan Allen is one of the best route runners in the NFL!

[Nester]

shocked Thomas was not #1 across the board. 

[DCofNC]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

The "actual" list:

 

 

1. Nuke

2. Thomas

3. Evans

4. Hill

5. Julio

6. Allen

7. Adams

8. OBJ

9. Diggs

10. Golladay

 

 

You can move 6-10 however you want.

 

But 1-5 is correct.  

I can’t agree with Julio that low, he’s the best talent in the league, ring him for injuries, but nobody is a better pure WR talent.   Also, I think Hopkins is the better talent, but Thomas had the best seasons WR has ever had with a back up for 5 games and a 40 yr old an, not saying Breese isn’t great, but he’s not the man he was.  Really hard to argue against what Thomas did.

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I can’t agree with Julio that low, he’s the best talent in the league, ring him for injuries, but nobody is a better pure WR talent.   Also, I think Hopkins is the better talent, but Thomas had the best seasons WR has ever had with a back up for 5 games and a 40 yr old an, not saying Breese isn’t great, but he’s not the man he was.  Really hard to argue against what Thomas did.

 

 

Good points.  Yes part of my thinking is I see Julio starting to decline just a bit the injuries and miles piling up and my bias is I see those other guys as not even at peak yet.  

[C.Biscuit97]

Diggs is a good player but since the Bills acquired him, he has become Jerry Rice.  Eclipsed 1,000 yards twice (once barely) and never had double digit tds. That isn’t close to a top 10 resume.  The Bills are a better team for sure with him but I doubt these arguments would be being had if he was in Minny.

 

And Mike Thomas is good but he gets overrated. He’s a slant machine who doesn’t stretch the field and never had double digits tds. Perfect fantasy guy because he’s so consistent but there are better guys than him.  He’s in a perfect situation.

10 minutes ago, Nester said:

shocked Thomas was not #1 across the board. 

He averages 11 ypc.

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Diggs is a good player but since the Bills acquired him, he has become Jerry Rice.  Eclipsed 1,000 yards twice (once barely) and never had double digit tds. That isn’t close to a top 10 resume.  The Bills are a better team for sure with him but I doubt these arguments would be being had if he was in Minny.

 

And Mike Thomas is good but he gets overrated. He’s a slant machine who doesn’t stretch the field and never had double digits tds. Perfect fantasy guy because he’s so consistent but there are better guys than him.  He’s in a perfect situation.

He averages 11 ypc.

Absolutely false. I have been a huge Diggs guy for several years now.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Absolutely false. I have been a huge Diggs guy for several years now.

I need to recheck my archive of GoBills post I have saved on my computer to confirm this. ?

 

and he doesn’t have a top 10 resume yet.  He’s still going but needs to string together a bunch of 1,000 yard seasons.  The shame is I think he can be extremely valuable by drawing coverages and not necessarily putting up monster numbers.  He doesn’t seem that happy to to that (and I get it because numbers mean money).  
 

it will be interesting this year.  There’s a fine line between getting the ball to your playmakers enough and forcing it.  I also would like to see a guy with size step up.  We have a little crew right now. 

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’d have Cooper lower. I just think he’s overrated. Diggs or Golladay would be there for me. I think I’d probably go with Golladay.

Agreed.  Cooper reminds me of a more productive Sammy.  All the tools to dominate and be the best wr in the league but something is missing.  Still dam good,  it I don’t see him as a top 10 guy.  I’d rather have Diggs for sure

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  Cooper reminds me of a more productive Sammy.  All the tools to dominate and be the best wr in the league but something is missing.  Still dam good,  it I don’t see him as a top 10 guy.  I’d rather have Diggs for sure

I still Say Sammy when he was healthy here had top 10 ability.  He played in a high school offense and broke his foot.  It changed his career.  
 

but I agree on Cooper.  True 1s don’t disappear the way he does.  He’s overrated. 

Edited July 10, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[Kirby Jackson]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  Cooper reminds me of a more productive Sammy.  All the tools to dominate and be the best wr in the league but something is missing.  Still dam good,  it I don’t see him as a top 10 guy.  I’d rather have Diggs for sure

 

19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I still Say Sammy when he was healthy here had top 10 ability.  He played in a high school offense and broke his foot.  It changed his career.  
 

but I agree on Cooper.  True 1s don’t disappear the way he does.  He’s overrated. 

Sammy still has moments when he dominates. He’s SO physically gifted but he’s missing something. I’m not sure if it is heart, mind or both? If he had like 8 catches for 160 and 2 TDs I wouldn’t even blink. If he had a 1,600 yard season I’d shrug. The ability is CLEARLY there but something is missing and has been.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Sammy still has moments when he dominates. He’s SO physically gifted but he’s missing something. I’m not sure if it is heart, mind or both? If he had like 8 catches for 160 and 2 TDs I wouldn’t even blink. If he had a 1,600 yard season I’d shrug. The ability is CLEARLY there but something is missing and has been.

I’m excited to draft Sammy for the 7th straight year in fantasy and be disappointed for the 7th straight year!

 

and in my 4 player keeper league, last year I traded for Diggs and he was money.  But no one lets you down like Bills receivers in fantasy (Brown was a rare exception).  I think Diggs will have a huge impact, I just don’t know if he gets huge numbers. 

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I still Say Sammy when he was healthy here had top 10 ability.  He played in a high school offense and broke his foot.  It changed his career.  
 

but I agree on Cooper.  True 1s don’t disappear the way he does.  He’s overrated. 

Agreed. At one point I thought sammy had the ability to be the best wr in the league.  

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Sammy still has moments when he dominates. He’s SO physically gifted but he’s missing something. I’m not sure if it is heart, mind or both? If he had like 8 catches for 160 and 2 TDs I wouldn’t even blink. If he had a 1,600 yard season I’d shrug. The ability is CLEARLY there but something is missing and has been.

Quite possibly has to do with ghosts 

[KD in CA]

6 hours ago, DCOrange said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/29400333/ranking-nfl-best-wide-receivers-2020-execs-players-coaches-debate-top-10

 

Figured this one could potentially drive some discussion as we finally have a player worthy of being considered for one of these articles. The top 10 according to the 50 league personnel panel ESPN is using (followed by their highest and lowest ranking)

 

1. Julio Jones - 1st - 7th
2. Michael Thomas - 1st - 6th
3. DeAndre Hopkins - 1st - 6th
4. Odell Beckham - 1st - 10th
5. Tyreek Hill - 3rd - 11th
6. Mike Evans - 1st - 12th
7. DaVante Adams - 1st - 12th
8. Keenan Allen - 2nd - 10th
9. Chris Godwin - 4th - unranked
10. Amari Cooper - 5th - unranked

 

I always find the outlier votes interesting.   Someone put OBJ first?  Julio 7th?  Thomas 6th?  Allen 2nd?   Hill 11th?   Absurd.

Swap Beckham and Evans and that's my top 5.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Diggs is a good player but since the Bills acquired him, he has become Jerry Rice.  Eclipsed 1,000 yards twice (once barely) and never had double digit tds. That isn’t close to a top 10 resume.  The Bills are a better team for sure with him but I doubt these arguments would be being had if he was in Minny.

 

The year Diggs barely eclipsed 1,000 yards (2018), he played 15 games because he sat out the season ender.  in 2016 he had 903 yards in 13 games. 

[Nelius]

Good to see some other's questioning Cooper. I'd take Diggs and Golladay over him any day. Golladay is top 10 right now, easy.

[Rico]

Thielen is HMLP*,  I will take Diggs any and every time.
 

* High Motor Lunch Pail

Edited July 10, 2020 by Rico

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’d have Cooper lower. I just think he’s overrated. Diggs or Golladay would be there for me. I think I’d probably go with Golladay.

 

Golladay is monster and put up numbers last year with Driskel and Blough at QB after Stafford went down.

 

 

One more thing...

 

Allen Robinson is the most underrated wideout in football.  A top 5 talent that is missing the QB to help get him there.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Chicken Boo

[C.Biscuit97]

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The year Diggs barely eclipsed 1,000 yards (2018), he played 15 games because he sat out the season ender.  in 2016 he had 903 yards in 13 games. 

Availability is the best ability. 

[C.Biscuit97]

37 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Golladay is monster and put up numbers last year with Driskel and Blough at QB after Stafford went down.

 

 

One more thing...

 

Allen Robinson is the most underrated wideout in football.  A top 5 talent that is missing the QB to help get him there.

Golladay is legit.  One of the few he ever got off on Tre.  He’s a stud.

 

and Robinson is tough because it seems like he puts up numbers for crappy teams.  This is why rating receivers is so hard because they are the most dependent players in football.  There are some good receivers who held back by crappy qbs. 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Availability is the best ability. 

 

He's been pretty available.

[BobbyC81]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I remember watching some replays of Cooper last year where he looked absolutely disinterested. Lack of effort, bad body language, etc. I’m not sure what was happening there but somebody put together film to point it out and there was something going on. 

 
This is nothing new with him.  He was the same with the Raiders.  The lack of focus also led to many drops.  I was surprised when they traded him, but he is not a reliable #1 go-to WR so I understand that the Raiders didn’t think he was worth his big contract.

[Billl]

When discussing Dak, he sucks and has inflated numbers because he has a superstar WR in Cooper.  When discussing WRs, Cooper isn’t even a true #1.

[billsfan_34]

10 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He definitely benefits, btu his talent was obvious from the get-go

Coinflip for me between Hopkins and him

Agree my friend, another elite receiver 

[ehfeuh57]

I think Mike Evans may be the actual best WR

[first_and_ten]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

When discussing Dak, he sucks and has inflated numbers because he has a superstar WR in Cooper.  When discussing WRs, Cooper isn’t even a true #1.

 

You just called Cooper a superstar, then in the next sentence said he wasn't a true #1. When it comes to Dak, I will say this. The Bills made him look ordinary at best.

[Big Blitz]

Golladay is such a freak.  

 

Made the mistake of sitting him on Thanksgiving vs the Bears bc of the QB situation (Blough) and well, Bears D.  First pass 75 yard TD.  Of course.

 

Was preparing to be bitter for 3 days (you just dread Thursday duds or lineup mistakes bc they sit there eating at you).

 

Bills winning helped erase that.