Stefon Diggs concerned about football starting back up

[Mango]

43 minutes ago, MJS said:

His writing skills are very good. He wrote that article awhile back and I was impressed.

 

Writing is definately a skill that seems to be falling by the wayside.

Personal stories and anecdotes exist on both sides of any argument. That's why you have to follow the aggregate data.

 

There are horror stories from the common cold or chicken pox. And you also have stories of people unaffected by deadly diseases. Individual stories should not be used to make decisions.

 

When you are dealing with hundreds of millions of people, of course there are horror stories.

I was working on how to respond, but really the only thing you provided was “aggregate data”. You’ve offered no meat to any opinion. So I am just going to leave it to @Hapless Bills Fan

 

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Except....that wasn't a horror story.  She didn't have organ failure, or a stroke.  She didn't wind up in ICU or intubated, or even on oxygen.  She didn't take 63 days to recover.

 

That was the experience of a young elite athlete with no pre-existing conditions who contracted what is considered to be a mild case of covid-19 and experienced what most people would call "no lasting effects".  And it knocked her out for a month, and she's still working back to her previous level.

 

There is no aggregate data of which I'm aware detailing how long young fit people take to recover.

 

Also...what is the "argument"?  Is there argument that "mild" cases of covid-19 can have lasting effects that take months to recover from?  How many case histories does one need to believe that?

 

Right? Unsure what the point is. We should start the season? We shouldn’t wear masks? Most of the 1200 people sitting in cubicles at Ingram are just a little more out of breath chasing their kids, so Stefon Diggs shouldn’t be worried? 
 

 

[OZBILLS]

Bit of fake crowd noise on the TV and i'll forget about it quickly

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Always remember, it did not have to be this way.

 

Many other countries either squelched this, or (even if it initially blew up on them) got it under control.

 

 

There was a moment where it really felt like we were all pulling in the same direction and like we might get this under control back when we were all making jokes about how every company came out with their own "In this together" ad. Then it became apparent that this was going to be hard and difficult and instead of digging deep and working together to get ahead of this thing we just crumbled like a sand castle. Also while it's definitely a conversation and movement that I think needs to be had George Floyd happened and we're going through the conversation and turmoil of needed societal change. Like I said it's definitely something that needs done but it's kind of hard to argue the logic that it happening during a global pandemic is not very ideal.

[transplantbillsfan]

It's the boat everyone is in.

 

I'm a teacher. I actually REALLY want to get back in the classroom because I think this "distance learning" sucks and students aren't actually learning.

 

Then again, I'm in good health and keep a very small social circle.

 

I have good friends who are coworkers who are basically refusing to go back into the classroom because they have underlying health conditions like diabetes and heart issues. 

 

And I don't blame them at all.

 

I'll be honest: a month ago I was like 99.9% sure we'd have an NFL season. Not there anymore, though I still think it's much more likely than not that we have a season...

 

Although that might also just be wishful thinking... ?

[2ForMacAdoo]

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

It's the boat everyone is in.

 

I'm a teacher. I actually REALLY want to get back in the classroom because I think this "distance learning" sucks and students aren't actually learning.

 

Then again, I'm in good health and keep a very small social circle.

 

I have good friends who are coworkers who are basically refusing to go back into the classroom because they have underlying health conditions like diabetes and heart issues. 

 

And I don't blame them at all.

 

I'll be honest: a month ago I was like 99.9% sure we'd have an NFL season. Not there anymore, though I still think it's much more likely than not that we have a season...

 

Although that might also just be wishful thinking... ?

Hey fellow teacher, totally agree with you about remote learning being far from ideal. 

 

I think ultimately they will try to start the season but realistically I just can't see them finishing. Name a more contact sport than the NFL. Players breathing, spitting, sweating on each other. The perfect storm for transmission. Boy how I hope I'm wrong. Best chance for the Bills to make some noise in 30 years. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Except....that wasn't a horror story.  She didn't have organ failure, or a stroke.  She didn't wind up in ICU or intubated, or even on oxygen.  She didn't take 63 days to recover.

 

That was the experience of a young elite athlete with no pre-existing conditions who contracted what is considered to be a mild case of covid-19 and experienced what most people would call "no lasting effects".  And it knocked her out for a month, and she's still working back to her previous level.

 

There is no aggregate data of which I'm aware detailing how long young fit people take to recover.

 

Also...what is the "argument"?  Is there argument that "mild" cases of covid-19 can have lasting effects that take months to recover from?  How many case histories does one need to believe that?

 

The argument is that young, fit people should be afraid of COVID-19 because there's a story about someone who was "knocked out for a month" from it.

 

And there's a story of an 80 year old man with heart complications who got it and was completely asymptomatic.

 

And there's a story of a child who got the disease and was hospitalized even though most children don't get it or at least have very mild cases.

 

And there's stories of hospitals that are completely full and others that are completely empty.

 

And the stories go on and on....

 

People like to make their points about COVID-19 by telling a heartfelt story about a case they heard, but for every story there is another saying the opposite. So people shouldn't be making decisions based on stories. They should be making decisions based on the best available aggregate data (of which there is very little right now).

 

A story tells us almost nothing about the disease. One case is almost (but not completely) meaningless.

1 hour ago, Mango said:

Right? Unsure what the point is. We should start the season? We shouldn’t wear masks? Most of the 1200 people sitting in cubicles at Ingram are just a little more out of breath chasing their kids, so Stefon Diggs shouldn’t be worried?

 

Diggs has every right to be worried and it is only natural to be worried in a time like this. I think my point is pretty clear. People like to back up their opinions using individual cases when those individual cases cannot actually be used to support anything. Because they are in a vacuum by themselves and don't apply to anything on a large scale.

[machine gun kelly]

I don’t understand the problem on Diggs comments, or Arians for that matter.  People will test positive and anyone not concerned when they are put in a tough position where to make $, they have to put themselves at risk is naive.  At least Arians who is not in perfect health is smart enough to wear a mask, and face shield as he knows he is an at risk person.

[SirAndrew]

Funny how Diggs is afraid to play the season, yet a huge number of Bills players got together for practice. They even took a group picture all huddled together with no masks. Who knows how many guys came out of the practice as positive asymptomatic if they had been tested. People are real idiots about this virus. It seems like they pick and choose when they want to be safe. 

[BillsPride12]

12 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Funny how Diggs is afraid to play the season, yet a huge number of Bills players got together for practice. They even took a group picture all huddled together with no masks. Who knows how many guys came out of the practice as positive asymptomatic if they had been tested. People are real idiots about this virus. It seems like they pick and choose when they want to be safe. 

Diggs was at that practice.  He never said he was "afraid" to play the season.  The comments he made were legitimate.  Some people are real idiots about what they post on message boards.

[SirAndrew]

8 hours ago, driddles said:

FC Dallas had to pull out of the opening MLS tournament after 10 players tested positive*.  Get too many of these types of stories and players in all leagues are going to be questioning the sanity of trying to play in 2020

* That's 10 of 30 players on the roster.  What happens if an NFL team gets hit like that?  Can't exactly play with 17 players out.. for 2 weeks or more.

Link https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mls/fcdallas/2020/07/06/mls-fc-dallas-pulls-out-orlando-tournament-coronavirus/5387643002/ 

I know this isn’t the popular opinion everyone has been conditioned to believe, but when I see things like that, it only confirms how common this virus is among the population. It shows that it’s everywhere, and by the time it’s over most of us will probably get it. That’s not saying it can’t be dangerous, and I’m not saying I’m safe from it. I’m simply making the point that when something is that common, there’s really is no point in hiding anymore. Life might as well go on some point. 

1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said:

Diggs was at that practice.  He never said he was "afraid" to play the season.  The comments he made were legitimate.  Some people are real idiots about what they post on message boards.

He did say he “ wasn't comfortable”, no need to call anyone an idiot. I just think it’s funny he was comfortable enough to hang out with a bunch of guys, and yet not comfortable playing a football season. We’re going to get a lot of athletes talking about how they are afraid to play because of Covid, yet we’ll see them hanging out at parties, and going to the bar etc. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy. 

 

[BillsPride12]

6 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I know this isn’t the popular opinion everyone has been conditioned to believe, but when I see things like that, it only confirms how common this virus is among the population. It shows that it’s everywhere, and by the time it’s over most of us will probably get it. That’s not saying it can’t be dangerous, and I’m not saying I’m safe from it. I’m simply making the point that when something is that common, there’s really is no point in hiding anymore. Life might as well go on some point. 

He did say he “ wasn't comfortable”, no need to call anyone an idiot. I just think it’s funny he was comfortable enough to hang out with a bunch of guys, and yet not comfortable playing a football season. We’re going to get a lot of athletes talking about how they are afraid to play because of Covid, yet we’ll see them hanging out at parties, and going to the bar etc. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy. 

 

There's still a lot of uncertainty with the virus so I can understand why some guys wouldn't feel comfortable when you think about how close contact is when your actually playing at full speed when the spit and sweat is flying.  I just felt like you were belittling him by turning it into he's afraid to play.  Afraid and not comfortable are two completely different things.  My last comment was just a play on words from the post I was quoting you on but I agree it was still rather rude lol and I was not trying to make it personal so I apologize for that remark.  Go Bills

[eball]

11 hours ago, The Dean said:

Demonstrating some intelligence, I'd say.

 

Well said.  Any player who isn’t concerned at this point is lacking a little something upstairs, if you ask me.

[Mickey]

11 hours ago, BillsDude said:

He has a right to be concerned. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. A bunch of grown men hanging around each other for about four hours sneezing, coughing and spitting, then with phlemn flying onto each other as they pound each other and yell profanities. Some may even go pee and have it spray all over. That is not even factoring in the nose pickers and guys that hug, and the ones handing sharpie pens to teammates after a TD. They use the same toilets too I think. While fans are sitting at home on weekends, thry have to worry about that c**p. They worked their entire butts off for ten yrs or more, and all the money in the world means nothing if get that virus  thing. Likely a life of returning respiratory probs, assuming no death occurs. Only a crazy person would not worry.

 

I confess I have never been in an NFL locker room (due to still active restraining orders) but I had no idea that players spend their time bathing in mucous, snacking on each other's boogers and peeing on each other. I guess I should have taken all that talk about "team chemistry" more literally.

[SirAndrew]

21 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

There's still a lot of uncertainty with the virus so I can understand why some guys wouldn't feel comfortable when you think about how close contact is when your actually playing at full speed when the spit and sweat is flying.  I just felt like you were belittling him by turning it into he's afraid to play.  Afraid and not comfortable are two completely different things.  My last comment was just a play on words from the post I was quoting you on but I agree it was still rather rude lol and I was not trying to make it personal so I apologize for that remark.  Go Bills

I’m not specifically talking about Diggs here, but comments like his just made wonder how many guys might want to sit out the season knowing it will be a cluster and complete headache. I’m not saying it isn’t valid for a player to be concerned about Covid, but they also know they can cite it as a reason not to play, and most fans will be sympathetic. I’m just skeptical knowing most twenty something guys don’t have much fear, and many of them have already done things that show lack of fear about the pandemic. I shouldn’t question someones true intent, but this will be a strange season. It’s uncertain if it will ever begin, if it will get cut short, or if entire teams will be sidelined, forcing them to forfeit. Those are

all great reasons to be uncertain about the season. I think players have other motives in addition to

Covid that might make them want to sit out.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by SirAndrew

[GottaRun]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

I know this isn’t the popular opinion everyone has been conditioned to believe, but when I see things like that, it only confirms how common this virus is among the population. It shows that it’s everywhere, and by the time it’s over most of us will probably get it. That’s not saying it can’t be dangerous, and I’m not saying I’m safe from it. I’m simply making the point that when something is that common, there’s really is no point in hiding anymore. Life might as well go on some point. 

You say "Life might as well go on at some point", sure, but that point is not now. There is no way for NFL life to go on if 1/3 of the game day roster is sick and needs to quarantine for 2 weeks or more.

After FC Dallas had to pull out of the opening tournament due to 10 (now 11) positive tests, MLS had to cancel its second game due to 5 positive test results with Nashville.

Are you really wanting to watch an NFL season where games are being cancelled, re-scheduled, or played with teams missing 1/3 of their starters?  (I say 1/3 as FC Dallas lost 10 of 30 players or 1/3 of their roster, so I figure the same or similar will happen to an NFL team at some point)

Edited July 8, 2020 by driddles

[teef]

hell, i'm concerned whether schools will start back up, i'm concerned that they're going to start shutting business back down, i'm concerned still about my elderly relatives, i'm concerned about there being a football season, etc.  there's a lot to think about right now.

 

who knows what going to happen over the next 8 weeks. 

[Greg S]

I know all the league's will try to get going but I don't think there will be sports in 2020. If this was under control I would feel more optimistic but to many states are seeing a rise in cases popping up. Players may also opt out not to play which we are seeing some baseball players do. It figures this **** has to happen when the Bills finally appear to be a good team but health wise I think its going to be next to impossible to complete a season.

[Don Otreply]

This whole pandemic has been poorly handled since we knew about it as far back as before January,  far to many of our officials and our citizens have acted and are still acting so stupidly that Diggs is right to be very concerned.

 

Look at what we Americans have done to ourselves and each other, one would have to be a mental midget to not be worried about what is happening throughout our country.

 

It truly sucks, but we have brought this upon ourselves. We should not be wanting to purposefully put others at risk for our entertainment,  purposes,  what does that say about us, are we so narrow in our thoughts?

 

Me, I’m a high risk category guy, congestive heart failure, blood type A,  DVT/PE history, over sixty, if I catch this, it  kills me.

[DCbillsfan]

Due to the timing of the virus, the NFL is starting to catch up with the rest of the sports world.  They're seeing athletes from other sports getting the virus even though they're following safety protocols.  Training camp is scheduled to start in about 3 weeks.  Reality is starting to sink in with the NFL players.  Despite their best efforts to stay healthy, quite a few will likely get the virus.  I can't blame Diggs at all for raising concerns about playing.

[Mango]

14 hours ago, MJS said:

The argument is that young, fit people should be afraid of COVID-19 because there's a story about someone who was "knocked out for a month" from it.

 

And there's a story of an 80 year old man with heart complications who got it and was completely asymptomatic.

 

And there's a story of a child who got the disease and was hospitalized even though most children don't get it or at least have very mild cases.

 

And there's stories of hospitals that are completely full and others that are completely empty.

 

And the stories go on and on....

 

People like to make their points about COVID-19 by telling a heartfelt story about a case they heard, but for every story there is another saying the opposite. So people shouldn't be making decisions based on stories. They should be making decisions based on the best available aggregate data (of which there is very little right now).

 

A story tells us almost nothing about the disease. One case is almost (but not completely) meaningless.

 

Diggs has every right to be worried and it is only natural to be worried in a time like this. I think my point is pretty clear. People like to back up their opinions using individual cases when those individual cases cannot actually be used to support anything. Because they are in a vacuum by themselves and don't apply to anything on a large scale.

I shared it from a friend, so it wasn’t some random copy and paste internet troll story. 
 

The argument wasn’t that they should “be afraid”. The last part of her post is “please wear a mask”. 

 

There’s about 30 women at the training center. I know of at least 5 who got it around the same time. None of them have bounced back like yet. And none have stories of getting sick and moving on. Again, nobody is studying the effects on elite respiratory systems. Young healthy people shouldn’t be afraid they should die, but what you might call discomfort or difficulty for a few weeks,  has a chance of being career altering for many others. Literally that’s the point of the post as it relates to this thread. 
 

Also, wear a ***** mask! 
 

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Mango

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

Due to the timing of the virus, the NFL is starting to catch up with the rest of the sports world.  They're seeing athletes from other sports getting the virus even though they're following safety protocols.  Training camp is scheduled to start in about 3 weeks.  Reality is starting to sink in with the NFL players.  Despite their best efforts to stay healthy, quite a few will likely get the virus.  I can't blame Diggs at all for raising concerns about playing.

 

 

Only MLB has begun training and protocols this past week.  So players aren't "getting the virus" by following protocols.  If they test positive at the start, then they showed up infected.

[DCbillsfan]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Only MLB has begun training and protocols this past week.  So players aren't "getting the virus" by following protocols.  If they test positive at the start, then they showed up infected.

I thought MLS players were following protocols, no?

[DefenseWins]

I haven't heard this question asked yet, so here it goes. WHEN players get Covid-19 are we just automatically assuming that they will return after 2-3 weeks and be their old "normal" selves? I mean even if none of the overweight OL gets hospitalized and/or dies, are they just gonna be able to step back in and play up to their "normal" standards after a bout with the virus? Let's not forget the coaching staff which is primarily composed of men in their 40-50+ age category. I am very curious what the "Protocols" might be WHEN this happens...

 

[Mango]

26 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

Due to the timing of the virus, the NFL is starting to catch up with the rest of the sports world.  They're seeing athletes from other sports getting the virus even though they're following safety protocols.  Training camp is scheduled to start in about 3 weeks.  Reality is starting to sink in with the NFL players.  Despite their best efforts to stay healthy, quite a few will likely get the virus.  I can't blame Diggs at all for raising concerns about playing.

 

Hoping the NFL doesn't treat this like PED testing. Where clearly everybody is doing it, but a couple of guys get get singled out. MLB and the NHL are over 30 players. The NBA is getting close to that number. Both Outside of Von, Sean Peyton, and Zeke, I don't know of any or many others. The internet isn't showing much in regards to prevalence. All we are getting from the NFL is "Should players be affraid", "List of NFL Protocols" and "Can you play in the Superbowl if you test positive?" Given that roster size in the NFL is 2x or 3x those leagues, you would expect a number of 70+. 

11 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

I haven't heard this question asked yet, so here it goes. WHEN players get Covid-19 are we just automatically assuming that they will return after 2-3 weeks and be their old "normal" selves? I mean even if none of the overweight OL gets hospitalized and/or dies, are they just gonna be able to step back in and play up to their "normal" standards after a bout with the virus? Let's not forget the coaching staff which is primarily composed of men in their 40-50+ age category. I am very curious what the "Protocols" might be WHEN this happens...

 

 

That most likely won't happen. Part of the reason I shared the story from my friend earlier in this thread. Long and short, she is already an Olympic Gold Medalist, 4 x World Champion, and World Record holder. She got sick in late February/Early March. As of yesterday she is still struggling to get back to February fitness. 

[SF Bills Fan]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the concerns he is voicing. I agree 100%

[DCOrange]

22 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

I haven't heard this question asked yet, so here it goes. WHEN players get Covid-19 are we just automatically assuming that they will return after 2-3 weeks and be their old "normal" selves? I mean even if none of the overweight OL gets hospitalized and/or dies, are they just gonna be able to step back in and play up to their "normal" standards after a bout with the virus? Let's not forget the coaching staff which is primarily composed of men in their 40-50+ age category. I am very curious what the "Protocols" might be WHEN this happens...

 

 

Granted he's not in the athletic prime of his life or anything, but a family friend of mine had no prior conditions that would suggest he'd be at an elevated risk of suffering long-term from Covid.

 

He tested positive and after being on life support for weeks and his family being told that he likely wasn't going to make it, he pulled through. But he lost like 50+ pounds and had to spend roughly 2 months re-learning how to walk and eat again.

[nucci]

3 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Funny how Diggs is afraid to play the season, yet a huge number of Bills players got together for practice. They even took a group picture all huddled together with no masks. Who knows how many guys came out of the practice as positive asymptomatic if they had been tested. People are real idiots about this virus. It seems like they pick and choose when they want to be safe. 

not afraid, concerned

[SirAndrew]

17 minutes ago, nucci said:

not afraid, concerned

He wasn’t “concerned” about practicing with a bunch of teammates in Florida. I just find that inconsistent. I’m trying not to voice any controversial Covid comments, but you’d think a guy who was “concerned” wouldn’t hang around a bunch of teammates with no masks. Kind of like Malcolm Jenkins saying he’s not sure if the season is safe, yet he’s marching in protests. Live your life, but I just like consistency. I’m all in favor of keeping people safe, but you can’t have it both ways. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by SirAndrew

[Trogdor]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

He wasn’t “concerned” about practicing with a bunch of teammates in Florida. I just find that inconsistent. 

I think those practices are a much smaller group that generally include players quarantining together. I'm not sure in ever case, but I know at the start of this that's what they are doing. When the season starts back up though you're going to have hundreds of people who have been doing their own thing. Then each game day you mix that large group with another from states that aren't doing as well. 

[SirAndrew]

9 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I think those practices are a much smaller group that generally include players quarantining together. I'm not sure in ever case, but I know at the start of this that's what they are doing. When the season starts back up though you're going to have hundreds of people who have been doing their own thing. Then each game day you mix that large group with another from states that aren't doing as well. 

Fair enough, I know my opinion on this isn’t popular. Players have every right to be concerned, and I understand it. At the same time, I don’t really trust twenty something guys to quarantine themselves at home, which is exactly what makes the season a challenge.  If the season is called off, I doubt some of the guys who are ”concerned” all stay home, and avoid being exposed to the virus via parties, clubs, etc. If these guys say “ I want my salary, but I’m uncomfortable with playing”, I hope they legitimately use that money to quarantine themselves at home. Anything else would be a bit disingenuous. Honestly, I think most players will be fine with playing, if it can actually happen. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by SirAndrew

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Read an article the other day from some group of infectious disease experts who were talking about college.  Predicted due to many players with pre-existing condition, obese, something like 7 players would be seriously hospitalized and 2 would die.  While thye are obese, in other ways in very good shape so maybe those numbers are low.  On the other hand, seems like for guys in such good shape, there are a fair number of heart issues, maybe as the heart isn't made to work with a body that large.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said:

I thought MLS players were following protocols, no?

 

MLS?  who knows?  Didn't a whole team show up infected?

[Back2Buff]

Money will delay or destroy this season.  Owners will lose less money this year by not playing at all.  Players won't take pay cuts.  Future years salary cap is based on prior revenue.  If players don't take the hit this year, it will hurt them next year.  The players think they can not take a paycut this year, and then also not take a hit next year.  They want to just have a flat cap for years to come to make up the loses the owners will need to eat this year.  If the players want to follow the CBA so bad and not take a cut this year, the owners will make them follow the CBA next year and have the cap sink to extreme lows.  Players want everything and the owners should not give in with the amount of millions they will lose playing this year.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

13 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

 

Diggs is much more than an actual mature adult...let’s not hurt his feelings. 

 

Who's acting butthurt here?

[123719bwiqrb]

43 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Read an article the other day from some group of infectious disease experts who were talking about college.  Predicted due to many players with pre-existing condition, obese, something like 7 players would be seriously hospitalized and 2 would die.  While thye are obese, in other ways in very good shape so maybe those numbers are low.  On the other hand, seems like for guys in such good shape, there are a fair number of heart issues, maybe as the heart isn't made to work with a body that large.

 

Experts have been batting about 0.075 this pandemic season, so I wouldn't trust what their saying...

[GottaRun]

2 hours ago, DCbillsfan said:

I thought MLS players were following protocols, no?

The article below explains how MLS only made players quarantine for 24hrs before allowing them into the bubble - So they followed protocols, but the very first protocol was a weak link https://sports.yahoo.com/coronavirus-mls-nba-sports-return-protocols-025336665.html

[DCbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

MLS?  who knows?  Didn't a whole team show up infected?

Yes.  Dallas is out.  Don't know the details of when players contracted virus but was wondering what NFL would do in that situation.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

This whole pandemic has been poorly handled since we knew about it as far back as before January,  far to many of our officials and our citizens have acted and are still acting so stupidly that Diggs is right to be very concerned.

 

Look at what we Americans have done to ourselves and each other, one would have to be a mental midget to not be worried about what is happening throughout our country.

 

It truly sucks, but we have brought this upon ourselves. We should not be wanting to purposefully put others at risk for our entertainment,  purposes,  what does that say about us, are we so narrow in our thoughts?

 

Me, I’m a high risk category guy, congestive heart failure, blood type A,  DVT/PE history, over sixty, if I catch this, it  kills me.

This.  Americans suck for the most part. There’s lots of good, but too much sucky to allow the good to make their mark

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Read an article the other day from some group of infectious disease experts who were talking about college.  Predicted due to many players with pre-existing condition, obese, something like 7 players would be seriously hospitalized and 2 would die.  While thye are obese, in other ways in very good shape so maybe those numbers are low.  On the other hand, seems like for guys in such good shape, there are a fair number of heart issues, maybe as the heart isn't made to work with a body that large.

 

Obviously in the pandemic, death is the greatest risk, but in regards to limiting the scope to performance and careers. I think the biggest risk is that too many players become relatively useless even after their two weeks of quarantine. Getting the virus and sitting in a cube all day doesn't effect a ton of your respiratory need (other than survival). But imagine that your respiratory system is what puts food on the table for your family. These guys are operating at razor thin margins. The difference between getting on the podium at the olympics and not racing in the final at all (thinking swimming, rowing, running, etc.) can be a fraction of a percentage in performance. So a player gets sick, they come back at 90%, that is the difference between being a HOF and not being signed as an UDFA out of college. 90% is generous as well. Based on conversations with friends at the Olympic training center, those effected are seeing 20-25% depletion in performance for months on end. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

55 minutes ago, 123719bwiqrb said:

 

Experts have been batting about 0.075 this pandemic season, so I wouldn't trust what their saying...

 

Really I'd say they've been pretty accurate, the problem not enough following what they recommend.