Cam Newton to Pats.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I mean, yea Cam makes the Pats better but they literally had the worst QB room in the NFL, so that wasn’t hard to do. How much better they are depends on what version of Cam they are getting.
 

I’m still not seeing how Cams personality and way he works, fits with BB. It’ll interesting to say the least. Maybe it works, I guess we will find out.

 

That was pretty much my reaction - which version of Cam are they getting?

 

And do McDaniels/Belicheck intend to mold their offense to his skill set, or do they intend to try to mold Newton to their offense?

 

I could be mistaken, but I kind of had the impression that Newton was and is a fierce competitor, but that

1) he wasn't perhaps the guy you could sit down with a huge playbook that has a lot of nuance and expect great results.  Perhaps I'm mistaken.

2) he wasn't (maybe isn't) the kind of guy you plug neatly into "The Patriot Way".  He likes to run his mouth.

 

10 minutes ago, Rico said:

The thought of the Pats going down in flames with Stidham just isn’t as funny as it is with Cam. Stidham isn’t even meh.

 

Just remember that Belicheck has a history of getting some good performance out of pretty lukewarm QBs (Cassel would have to be the poster child)

[BuffaloMatt]

29 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I mean, yea Cam makes the Pats better but they literally had the worst QB room in the NFL, so that wasn’t hard to do. How much better they are depends on what version of Cam they are getting.
 

I’m still not seeing how Cams personality and way he works, fits with BB. It’ll interesting to say the least. Maybe it works, I guess we will find out.

Power run game. BB will churn and burn him on this one year deal. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by BuffaloMatt

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Idk why almost everyone in this board is scared of a 31 year old banged and bruised up cam Newton who hasn’t done a damn thing since he got embarrassed by the broncos defense in that Super Bowl back in 15

He was off to the best season of his career in 2028 until he got hurt.

 

they went from Stidham/ Hoyer to adding a former MVP who if healthy has been a top 10 QBs.  Watch the Vegas odds shift.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Power run game. BB will churn and burn him on this one year deal. 

I agree which makes me wonder if he’s still healthy by the time we play them week 8

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He was off to the best season of his career in 2028 until he got hurt.

 

they went from Stidham/ Hoyer to adding a former MVP who if healthy has been a top 10 QBs.  Watch the Vegas odds shift.

 

2028?  You got a time machine?

 

I think that "until he got hurt" or "until...." anything is pretty thin football ice to tread.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

17 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Oh I’m not doubting they are better now, they are. I’m just not sure how much better and therefore not sure how much it really effects this Bills team.

 

Here’s an interesting thought experiment, which FA QB do you think would have had the most success with the Pats:  Dalton, Winston or Newton?

If healthy, it’s Cam.  Look at what he played with Carolina.  Dude has won MVPs, Heisman, a national championship, and went 15-1 with Ted Ginn as his #1 receiver.  Besides Lamar Jackson, I don’t think there is a quarterback this board underrated more than Newton.

 

he is a terrible dresser though. 

[aristocrat]

the pats are getting the cam that wants to get another 100 million contract.  

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

2028?  You got a time machine?

 

I think that "until he got hurt" or "until...." anything is pretty thin football ice to tread.

 

2018.  And I think it is pretty much on record that he got hurt in the Pittsburgh game that year.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/nfl/nfc-south/carolina-panthers/cam-newton-injury-history-patriots-signing/amp
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/nfl/nfc-south/carolina-panthers/cam-newton-injury-history-patriots-signing/amp
 

he still completed 68% of his passes for the best OC he ever had.  I think McDaniels is overrated but he’s arguably the best OC Cam has ever had.  

[Dopey]

24 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Oh I’m not doubting they are better now, they are. I’m just not sure how much better and therefore not sure how much it really effects this Bills team.

 

Here’s an interesting thought experiment, which FA QB do you think would have had the most success with the Pats:  Dalton, Winston or Newton?

1) Newton

2) Dalton

3) Winston

[Rico]

Cam is 2-0 against the Pats with the Panthers, not too many other QBs can say that if any. No surprise if BB likes him.

[BringBackFlutie]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

Cam is 2-0 against the Pats with the Panthers, not too many other QBs can say that if any. No surprise if BB likes him.

 

To be honest, I think this is actually a big thing.  I think BB likes to go after people he has trouble defending against.

[MJS]

Makes the Pats instantly better than what we all thought they would be, but Cam Newton is not what he used to be, especially with all the injuries. He seems to have lost weight to me as well.

 

I think he'll get injured and miss time. And even if he doesn't he has never been a great passer and he isn't the runner he once was.

 

Good signing by the Pats but they are still beatable. Their offense still lacks firepower and they lost some food players on defense.

1 minute ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

To be honest, I think this is actually a big thing.  I think BB likes to go after people he has trouble defending against.

We better watch out because he loves Hyde and Poyer. Especially Hyde.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I am not that cynical but I don’t think this just popped up either. I think they knew Cam was going to be their guy if healthy.

 

I have now heard that the Cam announcement happened 17 minutes after the punishment announcement. I have not verified that, but they either work really, REALLY fast, or they’ve been sitting on this to get the media talking about something else. I have to give them credit, because it worked. How long did they sit on it? No way to answer that, but Cam made sense.

[Penfield45]

2 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

He lowered his asking price. Had to check his ego and now is added to a long list of NFL talent whose skills are in the decline that choose to go to NE with the hopes of obtaining the coveted SB Ring. Unfortunately for Cam, Marcia left. 

 

Cam is 31 ...he is literally entering his prime right now. 

 

by the time the pre-season starts he will have a full year of recovery, longer than he has ever had. A resurgent Cam with that patriots defense is an instant SB contender. 

[Motor26]

11 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Cam is 31 ...he is literally entering his prime right now. 

 

by the time the pre-season starts he will have a full year of recovery, longer than he has ever had. A resurgent Cam with that patriots defense is an instant SB contender. 

31 is definitely not entering their prime for any athlete.

 

[BuffaloMatt]

25 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Cam is 31 ...he is literally entering his prime right now. 

 

by the time the pre-season starts he will have a full year of recovery, longer than he has ever had. A resurgent Cam with that patriots defense is an instant SB contender. 

I have to disagree. Very few players return to form after serious injury and a significant layoff. Especially QBs. 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I agree which makes me wonder if he’s still healthy by the time we play them week 8

Hopefully his OL lets him down. 

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

31 is definitely not entering their prime for any athlete.

 

 

1 minute ago, BuffaloMatt said:

I have to disagree. Very few players return to form after serious injury and a significant layoff. Especially QBs. 

Once he gets that TB12 (hgh) treatment, he will be like he was when he entered the league. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

2018.  And I think it is pretty much on record that he got hurt in the Pittsburgh game that year.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/nfl/nfc-south/carolina-panthers/cam-newton-injury-history-patriots-signing/amp
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/nfl/nfc-south/carolina-panthers/cam-newton-injury-history-patriots-signing/amp
 

he still completed 68% of his passes for the best OC he ever had.  I think McDaniels is overrated but he’s arguably the best OC Cam has ever had.  

 

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about my point.   I wasn't questioning when he got hurt.

 

My point is that one can find a lot of players who are having "the best year of their career until....." (something)

 

But what would have happened if they didn't (get paid, get hurt, lose their best WR, whatever it is)?  The reason a lot of people are skeptical of player improvement is that a lot of times, a player has a hot streak and then "regresses to the(ir) mean"

I'm sure the Pats hope they're getting a guy whose shoulder and arm are back up to par and who is hungry to compete for a championship/earn a big payday.  But the 2017 Cam was <60% completions, <3400 yds, 22 TD 16 INTs, 35 sacks over 16 games.

Is that enough?

"Best OC" is a question of context.

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

Cam is 31 ...he is literally entering his prime right now. 

 

by the time the pre-season starts he will have a full year of recovery, longer than he has ever had. A resurgent Cam with that patriots defense is an instant SB contender. 

I have come to the conclusion you are seriously mental

 

31 and he is entering the prime of his career?   Come on son

[Malazan]

I actually think the Bills win both of those games this year now

[Ethan in Cleveland]

53 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

I have to disagree. Very few players return to form after serious injury and a significant layoff. Especially QBs. 

Hopefully his OL lets him down. 

Peyton Manning the first year with the Broncos would disagree. One year removed from neck surgery he put up amazing numbers and went to the SB. He was a shell of himself 24 months later.

[TH3]

Criminy. WE ARE DOOMED!

 

I live up here in NE and spent the day in my car. They have 2 sports radio stations with 3 guys on each show at all times...Pretty much the only guy "on board" with this was Wiggy...who is a complete homer and generally changes his logic train twice in every sentence. The rest of the line ups could not make sense of the pick. Cam is generally a showboater on and off the field and a first class diva...not exactly the "Patriot Way". Cam is also a runner and gunner and is not a 70 percent accuracy guy... so...what...the Pats are going to change their offense from the last 20 years to accommodate Cam....or Cam going to change his ways to fit Pats and become a 3 step timing passer at age 31....dunno.

 

Contract structured to pay him nothing if he does not start - and is one year - so Pats going to reload "O" plan for 1 year?

 

Contract signing news released at exact same time mews release for penalty for illegal taping....Even the locals can't connect the dots on a long term success for this match up.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Criminy. WE ARE DOOMED!

 

I live up here in NE and spent the day in my car. They have 2 sports radio stations with 3 guys on each show at all times...Pretty much the only guy "on board" with this was Wiggy...who is a complete homer and generally changes his logic train twice in every sentence. The rest of the line ups could not make sense of the pick. Cam is generally a showboater on and off the field and a first class diva...not exactly the "Patriot Way". Cam is also a runner and gunner and is not a 70 percent accuracy guy... so...what...the Pats are going to change their offense from the last 20 years to accommodate Cam....or Cam going to change his ways to fit Pats and become a 3 step timing passer at age 31....dunno.

 

Contract structured to pay him nothing if he does not start - and is one year - so Pats going to reload "O" plan for 1 year?

 

Contract signing news released at exact same time mews release for penalty for illegal taping....Even the locals can't connect the dots on a long term success for this match up.

Reasons why I think Stidham will start

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Reasons why I think Stidham will start

I’ve seen a few media types say that Cam is more of an insurance policy and they expect stidham to start. But, it makes sense for Cam because (outside of it being his only offer) it gives him the best chance to see the field and if he can stay healthy, ultimately get a bigger contract next year given the state of the QB room 

Edited June 29, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Augie]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ve seen a few media types say that Cam is more of an insurance policy 

 

That sounds like a pricey premium to pay, but much of the deal is incentive based, so maybe not? However, I suspect Cam starts from Day One. If healthy, he’s probably the guy. 

 

 

EDIT: The added bold is for @Limeaid. I heard on NFL Radio the base is low enough that they get no comp pick according to the current CBA. I assume (but don’t know for sure) that if he starts and hits the incentives they do get something if he leaves. If he plays that well,  yes, he’s cheap for the year. 

Edited June 30, 2020 by Augie

[oldmanfan]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I’ve seen a few media types say that Cam is more of an insurance policy 

I don't think Joshie will want to change the entire offensive structure as he'd have to with Newton.  McDaniel's had time to work with T\Stidham.  I also wonder how Newton will do coming back from a Lis Franc.  Of course, with some Bills fans if our player gets a Lis Franc they will never recover, but if another guy on another team not only will he recover but he'll be All World.  

[stinky finger]

2 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Oh I’m not doubting they are better now, they are. I’m just not sure how much better and therefore not sure how much it really effects this Bills team.

 

Here’s an interesting thought experiment, which FA QB do you think would have had the most success with the Pats:  Dalton, Winston or Newton?

 

I'd have said Dalton.

[Penfield45]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I have come to the conclusion you are seriously mental

 

31 and he is entering the prime of his career?   Come on son

 

you must not watch a lot of NFL then

 

early 30's is prime years for QB's 

[Capco]

1 hour ago, Motor26 said:

31 is definitely not entering their prime for any athlete.

 

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I have come to the conclusion you are seriously mental

 

31 and he is entering the prime of his career?   Come on son

 

I think that for traditional pocket passers, one could make an argument that 30 is the prime of their career.  Raw strength (including throwing power) doesn't seem to diminish as quickly as speed does.  In addition, one has to consider the cerebral nature of quarterbacking and how much of an impact experience can have on the field.  

 

Fwiw, Kelly was 30 in 1990 when the Bills began their run.

 

Granted, Cam isn't considered a traditional pocket passer and he has his injury history.  But even some of the athletic quarterbacks can become good pocket passers.  

Edited June 29, 2020 by Capco

[Penfield45]

4 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

 

I think that for traditional pocket passers, one could make an argument that 30 is the prime of their career.  Raw strength (including throwing power) doesn't seem to diminish as quickly as speed does.  In addition, one has to consider the cerebral nature of quarterbacking and how much of impact experience can have on the field.  

 

Fwiw, Kelly was 30 in 1990 when the Bills began their run.

 

Granted, Cam isn't considered a traditional pocket passer and he has his injury history.  But even some of the athletic quarterbacks can become good pocket passers.  

 

don't even bother with these people. half of the fans on here are literally delusional. this entire forum has gone to utter *****. 

 

spewing total nonsense at all times and whenever they don't like anything that doesn't fit their cozy narrative that the Bills are the best team in the league and Allen is the best QB to ever grace a football field they start throwing insults. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Penfield45

[Punching Bag]

27 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

That sounds like a pricey premium to pay, but much of the deal is incentive based, so maybe not? However, I suspect Cam starts from Day One. If healthy, he’s probably the guy. 

 

Not pricey at all.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/cam-newton-contract-patriots-deal/19kst3l1v4xqm1rxszfownonj5

Quote

According to NFL Network, Newton's one-year contract with the Patriots is "a bare minimum deal" that, if the quarterback hits incentives, will pay him up to $7.5 million in 2021.

 

Quote

ESPN's Adam Schefter raised an important point Sunday night in the context of the Patriots' timing, as New England will lose a 2021 third-round draft pick as part of their NFL-imposed punishment for videotaping the Bengals' sideline last year. If Newton were to start and play well enough in 2020 and then leave as a free agent the following year, the Patriots could get a 2022 compensatory pick.

 

 

So they need to show him enough (preseason maybe?) to show he is healthy and pay him as little as possible to make Richard Sherman mad.  Maybe play him week 2 so Sherman does not take it out on starting QB.

[teef]

12 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

don't even bother with these people. half of the fans on here are literally delusional. this entire forum has gone to utter *****. 

 

spewing total nonsense at all times and whenever they don't like anything that doesn't fit their cozy narrative that the Bills are the best team in the league and Allen is the best QB to ever grace a football field they start throwing insults. 

Oh my.  Some people have a harder time with the internet than others. 

[vincec]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If healthy, it’s Cam.  Look at what he played with Carolina.  Dude has won MVPs, Heisman, a national championship, and went 15-1 with Ted Ginn as his #1 receiver.  Besides Lamar Jackson, I don’t think there is a quarterback this board underrated more than Newton.

 

he is a terrible dresser though. 

He was and apparently is a very polarizing QB, much like our own Josh Allen

[jimmy10]

Well, the good news is now people might not be so pissy when they can’t attend games this season. 

[John from Riverside]

26 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

you must not watch a lot of NFL then

 

early 30's is prime years for QB's 

Not when they have been beat to ***** like Cam Newton has and given the TYPE of QB he is....this is not ultra accurate the ball out instantly Tom Brady we are talking about....this is take huge hits hasnt played well in 3 years Cam Newton

 

I probably have years of football on you.....your takes are aweful

22 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

 

I think that for traditional pocket passers, one could make an argument that 30 is the prime of their career.  Raw strength (including throwing power) doesn't seem to diminish as quickly as speed does.  In addition, one has to consider the cerebral nature of quarterbacking and how much of an impact experience can have on the field.  

 

Fwiw, Kelly was 30 in 1990 when the Bills began their run.

 

Granted, Cam isn't considered a traditional pocket passer and he has his injury history.  But even some of the athletic quarterbacks can become good pocket passers.  

So you think he is going to change his game?

Edited June 29, 2020 by John from Riverside

[Success]

It's a loose comparison, but this is Bledsoe to the Bills.

 

We were still trying to replace Kelly - and every single one of us talked ourselves into that being THE move.  We were back, baby.

 

Pats fans are doing the same right now. But like the Patriots of the early 2000's, it's our turn to be the crusher of dreams.  The Bills are the rightful heir to the AFCE throne.  No QB who refuses to dive for a fumble is gonna change that.

 

[Punching Bag]

40 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I don't think Joshie will want to change the entire offensive structure as he'd have to with Newton.  McDaniel's had time to work with T\Stidham.  I also wonder how Newton will do coming back from a Lis Franc.  Of course, with some Bills fans if our player gets a Lis Franc they will never recover, but if another guy on another team not only will he recover but he'll be All World.  

 

You forgot word "pseudo". 

[Rico]

40 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

 

you must not watch a lot of NFL then

 

early 30's is prime years for QB's 

They can be prime years for cerebral QB’s,  not mutton-heads like Cam. Once the athleticism goes, they’re done.

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Not when they have been beat to ***** like Cam Newton has and given the TYPE of QB he is....this is not ultra accurate the ball out instantly Tom Brady we are talking about....this is take huge hits hasnt played well in 3 years Cam Newton

 

I probably have years of football on you.....your takes are aweful

So you think he is going to change his game?

 

john, you don’t get to insult anyone after your “the bills receivers are good and kelvin benjamin will ball out in a contract year” stance (yet alone several other hot takes in buffalos extreme favor). 
 

I think cam and BB could be an absolute tire fire with personality clashes... but the closest comparable in the league is probably Big Ben, who has been beat to hell and is 7 years older. Cams specific injuries could derail him but in general big guys that take hits and sling the ball around can still succeed.
 

If he flops i think it’ll be a lack of WR and personality and not that he’s too old though. 

[Capco]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

So you think he is going to change his game?

 

I'm not really sure either way.  But if anyone can do it, it's Bellichick and McDaniels.  

 

If I had to bet I'd say no though.