Bill O'Brien will kneel...JJ Watt says kneeling is no disrespect to the flag or military

[Rico]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

They did a recent poll of this and more Americans agree with the players kneeling at this point.  If the NFL is looking to the long term health of the game they'd be wise to support players kneeling given its support among young people.

 

The poll asked the question, “Is it OK for NFL players to kneel during the national anthem to protest police killings of African Americans?” The results were interesting:

• Both male and female respondents agreed that it was, by a margin of 52 percent to 37 percent (male) and 52 percent to 34 percent (female)

• Younger respondents tended to be more favorable to the idea, with 68 percent of those 18-29 agreeing that it was. That number steadily declined to 36 percent of respondents over 65

• Self-described Democrats strongly favored the right to protest, at 77 percent, while only 20 percent of Republicans, and 20 percent of self-described Trump voters, answered in the affirmative

• Along racial lines, 77 percent of blacks, 57 percent of Hispanics, and 47 percent of whites answered positively

• Among respondents with incomes of more than $100,000, 63 percent agreed with the right to protest, while 49 percent of respondents with incomes of less than $50,000 agreed

Yahoo News, it’s gotta be true.  

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

Yahoo News, it’s gotta be true.  

Are you saying they made up the poll results out of the thin air?

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Are you saying they made up the poll results out of the thin air?

No, I’m saying that since I use an Yahoo E-mail account, I have seen how they slant the news of the day, and I would not trust any poll they put out. E-mail’s OK though, the new ads they have now are only a minor annoyance.

[All_Pro_Bills]

22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

They did a recent poll of this and more Americans agree with the players kneeling at this point.  If the NFL is looking to the long term health of the game they'd be wise to support players kneeling given its support among young people.

 

The poll asked the question, “Is it OK for NFL players to kneel during the national anthem to protest police killings of African Americans?” The results were interesting:

• Both male and female respondents agreed that it was, by a margin of 52 percent to 37 percent (male) and 52 percent to 34 percent (female)

• Younger respondents tended to be more favorable to the idea, with 68 percent of those 18-29 agreeing that it was. That number steadily declined to 36 percent of respondents over 65

• Self-described Democrats strongly favored the right to protest, at 77 percent, while only 20 percent of Republicans, and 20 percent of self-described Trump voters, answered in the affirmative

• Along racial lines, 77 percent of blacks, 57 percent of Hispanics, and 47 percent of whites answered positively

• Among respondents with incomes of more than $100,000, 63 percent agreed with the right to protest, while 49 percent of respondents with incomes of less than $50,000 agreed

Count me among those supporting the players right to protest.  I did some investigation on police shooting statistics and this is what I found. 

 

Stats on people shot to death by police:

 

2017 White 457, Black 223, Hispanic 179

2018 White 399, Black 209, Hispanic 148

2019 White 370, Black 235, Hispanic 158

2020 White 172, Black 88, Hispanic 57

 

We can adjust the number proportionally to population or per capita view but these are the raw numbers.  I didn't generate the numbers as they come from a data service called Statista and while I have no reason to suspect the source is unreliable I haven't validated that assumption.    

 

 

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

You realize of course, it's possible to not like any of those things and complain about them all?

 

 

Of course. But someone who has previously been fine watching the NFL, and only now has a problem, is standing on very questionable moral ground. I don't expect everyone to like watching players kneel for the anthem. It is not something that offends me in the slightest but I respect others have different values they were raised on. I'm just saying if that is the one value you hold above all others, you're misguided. We can debate all day if what the players are doing is right. Whether it's worth a boycott IMO is not really up for debate.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

Good for you. I'm holding out to see if the Bills take a knee. If they do I'm gone too. I'm glad you wrote what you did.

Do you really think that NO Bills will kneel?!? I’ll save you the 3 months of anticipation. There will 100%, definitely, without question, be Bills players kneeling for the anthem.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Do you really think that NO Bills will kneel?!? I’ll save you the 3 months of anticipation. There will 100%, definitely, without question, be Bills players kneeling for the anthem.

 

Yeah, but it's better to say he's holding out to see because no one will remember he said it 3 months from now when he's at the home opener.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, but it's better to say he's holding out to see because no one will remember he said it 3 months from now when he's at the home opener.

I am thinking about starting a poll to see who is "so f@#$ing done with this team!" if players or coaches kneel.  Someone should do it.  

[teef]

i just can't imagine not watching football because of this.  does the outrage outweigh the pleasure of watching the bills?

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

I am thinking about starting a poll to see who is "so f@#$ing done with this team!" if players or coaches kneel.  Someone should do it.  

 

I love the guy who is putting out the satirical ranting videos, and ends each one with "F$#% the NFL!......... And GO COLTS!"

[Augie]

17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I am thinking about starting a poll to see who is "so f@#$ing done with this team!" if players or coaches kneel.  Someone should do it.  

 

You should make it public, then we should pin it the week before the opener! 

[Rocky Landing]

Serious(ish) question to those who are still clinging to the "kneeling is disrespectful" narrative: Is there another context in the history of the world where kneeling was ever considered disrespectful?

[Dragoon]

I just want to watch football players play football. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

I just want to watch football players play football. 

So if they kneel for the anthem you’ll still watch them play football after correct?

[nucci]

27 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

I just want to watch football players play football. 

and you still can

[Dopey]

On 6/14/2020 at 1:10 PM, Putin said:

Maybe it’s time for another doobie and climb back under your rock 

Maybe you should branch out of mommy's attic. Take your porn with you.

[Dragoon]

45 minutes ago, nucci said:

and you still can

Exactly! 

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So if they kneel for the anthem you’ll still watch them play football after correct?

yeah. Totally. It’s what I’ve been doing. 
 

I don’t give a rats butt about any Bills players political leanings. I just wanna watch em win ball games. 
 

GO BILLS

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Dragoon said:

I just want to watch football players play football. 

Tune in at 1:02pm.

[Logic]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Count me among those supporting the players right to protest.  I did some investigation on police shooting statistics and this is what I found. 

 

Stats on people shot to death by police:

 

2017 White 457, Black 223, Hispanic 179

2018 White 399, Black 209, Hispanic 148

2019 White 370, Black 235, Hispanic 158

2020 White 172, Black 88, Hispanic 57

 

We can adjust the number proportionally to population or per capita view but these are the raw numbers.  I didn't generate the numbers as they come from a data service called Statista and while I have no reason to suspect the source is unreliable I haven't validated that assumption.    

 

 

There are far more white people living in the United states. Therefore the numbers you posted don't really tell us much.

It's much more useful and informative to look up "shootings per 100,000 people" categorized by race. 

Here's a good website, with charts and adjustable toggle switches and so forth.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/cities

 

Key Findings:

• 26% of U.S. police killings between January 2013 - December 2019 were committed by police departments of the 100 largest U.S. cities.

• Black people were 38% of people killed by these 100 police departments despite being only 21% of the population in their jurisdictions.

• Only 1 of the 100 largest city police departments did not kill anyone from Jan 2013 - Dec 2019 (Irvine, CA).

• 47% of unarmed people killed by the 100 largest city police departments were black. These police departments killed unarmed black people at a rate 4 times higher than unarmed white people.

• Rates of violent crime in cities did not make it any more or less likely for police departments to kill people. For example, Buffalo and Newark police departments had relatively low rates of police violence despite high crime rates while Spokane and Orlando had relatively low crime rates and high rates of police violence.

• From 2013-2019, St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department killed 34 black men and Oklahoma City Police Department killed 25 black men. This is an average rate of 7.0 per 100,000 black male population in St. Louis and 8.5 per 100,000 black male population in Oklahoma City - a higher rate than the 2018 US Murder Rate of 5.0 per 100,000.

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by Logic

[Mango]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, but it's better to say he's holding out to see because no one will remember he said it 3 months from now when he's at the home opener.

 

Literally zero people on this message board are going to stop watching the Bills. Players on the roster have been kneeling since 2016. If you’re fanatical to post and lurk here, you’re not going anywhere.

 

I’d be curious to see the metrics from this site for 2016 against the average for things like posts, new members, clicks etc. 

 

Also OAN is getting brought up. It might as well be 24 hours of Alex Jones. It’s not news. It’s not FOX, CNN, or MSNBC. It’s trash, absolute trash, and shouldn’t be taken seriously...ever. 

 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/one-america-news-network-staff/

[Dragoon]

27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Tune in at 1:02pm.

Exactly. 
 

I love Bob De Niro movies. When he’s got a live mic, I tune him out. When he’s waxing people to Clapton, I watch. 

[Rob's House]

 

[BigBillsFan]

30 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

 

Unarmed police brutality at it's finest.

[Logic]

2 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

 

“Hey look everyone! Here’s one specific instance that completely invalidates the dozens of other videos showing police murdering unarmed black people!”

 

What a ridiculous post.

 

Now show George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, etc, etc.

 

 

[Dopey]

On 6/16/2020 at 9:43 PM, Beast said:

 

Yeah they do.

 

LOL

 

(I had to include that LOL for effect)

 

The Left is a flat out joke just as Black Lives Matter is a false narrative.

 

When the little black children or black adults being killed in gang wars by black adults matter,  ONLY THEN will black lives matter.

 

Until then, it is FAKE.

Maybe I'm reading you wrong. Are you saying blacks don't care about gang killings and because of that, protesting police violence shouldn't be taken seriously?

[Rob's House]

15 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

“Hey look everyone! Here’s one specific instance that completely invalidates the dozens of other videos showing police murdering unarmed black people!”

 

What a ridiculous post.

 

Now show George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, etc, etc.

 

 

 

Your bias is showing. 

 

It was posted without comment. You didn't refute my argument, because I didn't make one. All you did was admit who and what you are.

 

My takeaway from the video was that I certainly didn't see that coming. You were probably cursing them halfway through for using "excessive" force.

 

When you see what can happen and how fast the tables can turn, it gives you a little more perspective on the real world, split second life & death choices these guys have to make.

 

I shouldn't have to qualify that, but since we're living in a dumbed down culture that sees only binary choices I will: it doesn't mean you give every cop a pass. It does mean you should consider his situation before you get too high and mighty from the comfort of your keyboard.

[Rob's House]

6 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Maybe I'm reading you wrong. Are you saying blacks don't care about gang killings and because of that, protesting police violence shouldn't be taken seriously?

I don't want to answer for him, but actually I do, so I will.

 

It comes off as a little disingenuous when you claim your primary goal is the preservation of black life, but you put nearly all your efforts into reducing one relatively small, but politically advantageous, cause of black deaths while giving nary a thought to things that cause more black deaths by orders of magnitude.

[Dopey]

41 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I don't want to answer for him, but actually I do, so I will.

 

It comes off as a little disingenuous when you claim your primary goal is the preservation of black life, but you put nearly all your efforts into reducing one relatively small, but politically advantageous, cause of black deaths while giving nary a thought to things that cause more black deaths by orders of magnitude.

Is it just "a little disingenuous" or total BS to you? I get the feeling it's the latter. The fact that you think "nary a thought"(cute) is given to black on black killings, by blacks, shows your ignorance. I'm going to guess it's just not a part of your everyday life or you just don't pay attention to those who are grieving. Why would you? I've cried and seen far too many people(including family members ) crying and grieving the deaths of family members to gang violence. I have also seen and attended a few peace rallies after killings. It's on folks' minds more than you know. I left Buffalo due to gang violence back in the day. Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to leave. I'm trying not to take these ignorant comments personally and you have the right to your view, but I do think you should stay in your lane and speak to what you know. Trust me, this isn't it. 

As to the comment made by Beast, it's only Fake to folks who don't care or aren't affected.

Edit: You didn't answer for him. You gave your views.

Edited June 18, 2020 by Dopey

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Is it just "a little disingenuous" or total BS to you? I get the feeling it's the latter. The fact that you think "nary a thought"(cute) is given to black on black killings, by blacks, shows your ignorance. I'm going to guess it's just not a part of your everyday life or you just don't pay attention to those who are grieving. Why would you? I've cried and seen far too many people(including family members ) crying and grieving the deaths of family members to gang violence. I have also seen and attended a few peace rallies after killings. It's on folks' minds more than you know. I left Buffalo due to gang violence back in the day. Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to leave. I'm trying not to take these ignorant comments personally and you have the right to your view, but I do think you should stay in your lane and speak to what you know. Trust me, this isn't it. 

As to the comment made by Beast, it's only Fake to folks who don't care or aren't affected.

Edit: You didn't answer for him. You gave your views.

 

Total strawman.

 

I didn't say a damn thing about what blacks talk about. I'm talking about the BLM movement, which is the topic of this thread, and something I do know quite a bit about, so I'll drive in any lane I damn well please. This movement doesn't give a ***** about black on black crime or anything else that affects the lives, health, and well-being of the black community. In fact, it's considered "racist" to even bring it up. 

 

This movement is narrowly focused because it's not about you. I know you and most of the people supporting and participating in it think it is, but it's really not. 

 

This didn't happen organically. It's organized and it's been orchestrated by people who have a completely different set of goals from yours and who are exploiting your perceived grievances to achieve those goals. The same people who have been trying to stir up racial tensions for a good long while now.

 

Think about it. This isn't doing anything to help black people. It's caused, and will cause, both directly and indirectly, more hardship, suffering, and death of black people than racist cops could ever dream of doing. It's completely counterproductive.

 

Murder rates will skyrocket in the coming months (they already have in some areas), communities and livelihoods have been destroyed, and there's growing animosity between you and people that don't have any problem with you.

 

It's certainly not going to improve policing. Everyone says they want better cops, but how does this achieve that end? Do you think making law enforcement the least desirable job in America is going to improve the applicant pool?

 

And no offense, but I'm a little tired of being preached to by people who think they've got a monopoly on the truth, and that the rest of us should just shut up and accept the opinion we're told to have. 

Edited June 18, 2020 by Rob's House

[Nelius]

16 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8181867/amp/Fake-conman-dad-questionable-resume-Truth-Chanel-Rion-Trumps-favorite-reporter.html

 

Her actual last name Dayn-Ryan came from "one of her father's multiple identities". What in the world. I've never even read this one but her upbringing is insane to say the least. She reminds me of a Bladerunner replicant for some reason. It's like some 22 year old Trump admin interns are cobbling together her history in real time.

[wppete]

5 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

 

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[LeviF]

Heard there’s a pretty bad case of flu running through Atlanta PD the past day or so. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

Heard there’s a pretty bad case of flu running through Atlanta PD the past day or so. 

 

Yeah, they supposedly had more call-ins than usual last night. Not nearly as dramatic as what was being reported on Fox News, of officers "throwing their keys on desks and staging a walk out" like in the movies.

 

I live in the Zone that was allegedly the epicenter of this mini Blue Flu, it was a quiet night with no issues. The protests are still going on downtown completely peacefully.

 

Boo hoo, they dont want to be held accountable when beating/tasing innocent people or shooting people in the back. They're welcome to quit, or better yet, fire them and strip their benefits so the taxpayers arent burdened anymore. Tear the whole thing down and re-build. Like they did in Camden, NJ and like they're doing in Minn.

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, they supposedly had more call-ins than usual last night. Not nearly as dramatic as what was being reported on Fox News, of officers "throwing their keys on desks and staging a walk out" like in the movies.

 

I live in the Zone that was allegedly the epicenter of this mini Blue Flu, it was a quiet night with no issues. The protests are still going on downtown completely peacefully.

 

Boo hoo, they dont want to be held accountable when beating/tasing innocent people or shooting people in the back. They're welcome to quit, or better yet, fire them and strip their benefits so the taxpayers arent burdened anymore. Tear the whole thing down and re-build. Like they did in Camden, NJ and like they're doing in Minn.

Innocent people? Did I miss something (with regard to the recent Wendy’s shooting  I mean)?

Edited June 18, 2020 by thebandit27

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

Innocent people? Did I miss something?

 

The first case, where they tased and ripped those college kids out of a car after giving them unclear instructions.

[thebandit27]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The first case, where they tased and ripped those college kids out of a car after giving them unclear instructions.

I had to clarify that I was asking about the Wendy’s shooting. I have not heard about this one. Looking into that now...

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

I had to clarify that I was asking about the Wendy’s shooting. I have not heard about this one. Looking into that now...

 

It was from the first night of protests, which I understand feel like a lifetime ago but was actually only a week or so.

 

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/2-more-atlanta-police-officers-fired-after-college-student-tasing-incident-caught-on-camera/85-6b4bfb17-88f2-4dc1-89d0-db3c92caf785

 

 

[LeviF]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, they supposedly had more call-ins than usual last night. Not nearly as dramatic as what was being reported on Fox News, of officers "throwing their keys on desks and staging a walk out" like in the movies.

 

I live in the Zone that was allegedly the epicenter of this mini Blue Flu, it was a quiet night with no issues. The protests are still going on downtown completely peacefully.

 

Boo hoo, they dont want to be held accountable when beating/tasing innocent people or shooting people in the back. They're welcome to quit, or better yet, fire them and strip their benefits so the taxpayers arent burdened anymore. Tear the whole thing down and re-build. Like they did in Camden, NJ and like they're doing in Minn.

 

lmao sure bruh.  I hope they all quit.  They deserve better.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, LeviF91 said:

 

lmao sure bruh.  I hope they all quit.  They deserve better.

 

We all deserve better.

[JoPoy88]

I see raw numbers with no context, posts from james woods of all people, seriously guys? You can do better. Dig into that OANN archive and throw us some real FACTS.