Bill O'Brien will kneel...JJ Watt says kneeling is no disrespect to the flag or military

[MILFHUNTER#518]

12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You claim that only one side has to be tolerant of the other.  You claim liberals have stereotyped actions.  All you are is the flip side of the same coin. 

 

Gundy as a coach  has a different responsibility.  If you don’t get that you’re clueless.

 

Let’s say you’re in a position of authority with several young women in your office, and you wear T shirts with demeaning slogans against women.  Is it your position they should just get over it?

That would be different, he was at the workplace in this instance. That would be sexual harassment, or creating a hostile work environment. I would be against that as well.

[Dopey]

On 6/14/2020 at 8:20 AM, BigBillsFan said:

Well BRAVO, only players are stupid enough to alienate their revenue source. As they commit financial suicide and then strike when the salary cap can't be raised let's see them kneel more.

 

The biggest reason why owners around the league stopped this is because the stadiums were rapidly emptying and ratings went down.

 

As an employee you cannot dictate the terms of employment except for immoral or unethical clauses.

 

If the Bills kneel as a sign of protest I won't be watching this year. As Martin Luther King astute observed that peaceful protesting "does not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to win his friendship and understanding."

 

 

To your last paragraph,  "defeat or humiliate the opponent",  the fact that you see kneeling this way says enough to me. I hope the Bills kneel. You will not be missed.

Can I buy your tickets from you. I'll kneel in the stands with them.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Dopey

[MILFHUNTER#518]

9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

and yet they scoffed at the mere suggestion that OANN was right wing. You brought up her name, so i’ll just throw this out there: just look up some of the questions Chanel Rion has posed in her time in Washington. 

OANN is definitely a right wing flamethrower, as much as MSNBC and CNN are left wing bomb throwers

[Dopey]

28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8181867/amp/Fake-conman-dad-questionable-resume-Truth-Chanel-Rion-Trumps-favorite-reporter.html

I think Donny boy can be swayed by a pretty face and nice ass. What a ?.

[teef]

instead of kneeling, i think i'm just going to do a split.  

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

That would be different, he was at the workplace in this instance. That would be sexual harassment, or creating a hostile work environment. I would be against that as well.

See your point.  I think the thing at OklaSt was a learning experience for all.  Gundy learned something about his players and what they go through.  His players might hopefully have learned to approach their coach one on one instead of through the media.  

[MILFHUNTER#518]

8 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

At best, I would say that you have a flawed definition of "freedom of speech" where someone's expression should be free of consequences. That's not the way it works, and it never has been. Gundy's opinion of OANN was strong enough that he wore their advertisement on his chest. That expression had consequences. 

 

And yet, you're against players kneeling during the anthem...

If the left received the same amount of criticism as conservatives, my opinion would be totally different. I am just decrying the double standard is all.

[Rockinon]

On 6/14/2020 at 3:58 PM, HappyDays said:

 

BLM isn't a single organization, it's an idea/movement. It doesn't surprise me that certain political groups have co-opted the name for their own purposes. There are also a bunch of racial justice groups that accept donations. As far as I know Act Blue is not a corporation, it's a middleman for donations to left-leaning candidates and organizations.

 

Also none of this has anything to do with what I said. The public is changing its mind because people are talking about it. People are talking about it in part because of Kaepernick's protest. So to you and all the people who say "there are better ways to get your message across ," show me what else has been able to get results like that. Kaepernick started his protests in 2016. Since 2016 public support for BLM has doubled. I don't think that's a random coincidence.

 

Public acceptance of the protests has also grown from 28% in 2016 to 35% in 2018 to 52% today:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/poll-on-opinion-shift-of-colin-kaepernick-could-explain-nf-ls-aboutface-on-players-protesting-during-anthem-220717209.html

 

Whatever you think of the messaging it is helping to change people's minds.

Look. I can get behind what BLM is supposed to be. When all donations go directly to a superpac that only supports democrats though, I am not on board with that. I am also not on board with defunding police departments across the US. If you go to BLM website, that is exactly what they are proposing. The people running BLM definitely have a socialist bent, a direction the democratic party has been steadily moving closer to. I agree that eyes need to be opened, but they must be fully opened. You can't say one injustice needs to be looked at while pretending not to see others.  That is not justice. It's simply replacing one injustice for another.

 

As for Keapernick, the way he went about his protest, it matters.  He clearly was trying to draw battle lines putting blacks on one side and police on the other. The world is not all black and white. You cannot be condoning ruining the lives of one group so that you can protect another.  If you want real positive change, the way forward is unity. Do you think unity under a socialist banner is the way to go? If you do, I truly feel sorry for you.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Rockinon

[All_Pro_Bills]

25 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Look. I can get behind what BLM is supposed to be. When all donations go directly to a superpac that only supports democrats though, I am not on board with that. I am also not on board with defunding police departments across the US. If you go to BLM website, that is exactly what they are proposing. The people running BLM definitely have a socialist bent, a direction the democratic party has been steadily moving closer to. I agree that eyes need to be opened, but they must be fully opened. You can't say one injustice needs to be looked at while pretending not to see others.  That is not justice. It's simply replacing one injustice for another.

The idea of eliminating traditional police departments and replacing them with some sort of community patrols is an intriguing idea but city officials and people that support the idea are letting their emotions outrun any real thinking about the consequences of making such a change.  As every action has a reaction people will evaluate the environment and adjust to the changing situation.  If you eliminate the police force then:

 

1. residents with the ability to leave the city and concerned about their safety will leave the city.

2. businesses with the ability to leave the city and concerned about the safety of their business and their employees will leave the city.

3. insurers will cancel policies or raise premiums as their assessment of risk rises.   

4. independent truck drivers and teamsters will refuse to deliver goods inside the city limit because the danger of hijackings and personal injury will increase. (happening already)

5. tax revenues will crash and cities will be forced to cut services and lay off employees.

6. non-residents will avoid the city decreasing business revenue and tax receipts.

 

I could keep going and for reference some or all of these things happened to cities after the 1968 riots and some never recovered.

 

 

 

 

[wppete]

On 6/14/2020 at 7:58 AM, njbuff said:

I don’t care if they kneel or not, but remember the backlash it caused in 2016 and the drop in tv ratings.

 

No matter what you or I say, people are going to be alienated over this and is the NFL gonna be prepared for another ratings drop?

 

We shall see.

 

 

I also don't care if the kneel or stand. If the Bills are on TV I will watch, have been my whole life. Strictly as an observer and someone who really doesn't care about all this division the numbers and reaction online and social media is very telling that NFL numbers will be down considerably. Like I said I will be watching regardless because I believe we will win the Super Bowl this year.

 

Check out These Stats and charts on NFL viewership over the years and pay attention to the dip and I suspect there will be a massive dip this year. 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/289979/nfl-number-of-tv-viewers-usa/

 

I also googled "When did the kneeling protest start in the NFL"  and according to Wikipedia it was in 2016.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._national_anthem_protests_(2016–present)

 

Now if I am a betting man, someone that doesn't give a crap if the players and coaches kneel or not I would bet the House that NFL ratings and Merchandise sales are going to have a major drop off this year. 

 

Another indicator is the record Low ESPN ratings and the DAZN and cable subscription cancelations. 

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/espn-golf-channel-tv-ratings-viewership-coronavirus

 

Should be very interesting to see how this plays out.

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

I also don't care if the kneel or stand. If the Bills are on TV I will watch, have been my whole life. Strictly as an observer and someone who really doesn't care about all this division the numbers and reaction online and social media is very telling that NFL numbers will be down considerably. Like I said I will be watching regardless because I believe we will win the Super Bowl this year.

 

Check out These Stats and charts on NFL viewership over the years and pay attention to the dip and I suspect there will be a massive dip this year. 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/289979/nfl-number-of-tv-viewers-usa/

 

I also googled "When did the kneeling protest start in the NFL"  and according to Wikipedia it was in 2016.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._national_anthem_protests_(2016–present)

 

Now if I am a betting man, someone that doesn't give a crap if the players and coaches kneel or not I would bet the House that NFL ratings and Merchandise sales are going to have a major drop off this year. 

 

Another indicator is the record Low ESPN ratings and the DAZN and cable subscription cancelations. 

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/espn-golf-channel-tv-ratings-viewership-coronavirus

 

Should be very interesting to see how this plays out.

If it wasn’t for the pandemic, I think there would be a significant drop in ratings. Right now though, being able to watch football again is far bigger than any movement.

[wppete]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

If it wasn’t for the pandemic, I think there would be a significant drop in ratings. Right now though, being able to watch football again is far bigger than any movement.

 

Yeah I agree I will be watching football myself. Go Bills!  Should be interesting how this all plays out. 

[Rockinon]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The idea of eliminating traditional police departments and replacing them with some sort of community patrols is an intriguing idea but city officials and people that support the idea are letting their emotions outrun any real thinking about the consequences of making such a change.  As every action has a reaction people will evaluate the environment and adjust to the changing situation.  If you eliminate the police force then:

 

1. residents with the ability to leave the city and concerned about their safety will leave the city.

2. businesses with the ability to leave the city and concerned about the safety of their business and their employees will leave the city.

3. insurers will cancel policies or raise premiums as their assessment of risk rises.   

4. independent truck drivers and teamsters will refuse to deliver goods inside the city limit because the danger of hijackings and personal injury will increase. (happening already)

5. tax revenues will crash and cities will be forced to cut services and lay off employees.

6. non-residents will avoid the city decreasing business revenue and tax receipts.

 

I could keep going and for reference some or all of these things happened to cities after the 1968 riots and some never recovered.

 

 

 

 

Good points. I am certain that most people supporting BLM are good people and do not want socialism.  In fact, I believe the movement has been hijacked by some very unsavory people. Many people are waking up to this.  Just hope enough see the ugliness of picking winners and losers and realize that most Americans have each others backs, regardless of color.  All it takes is real communication....real understanding and folks working toward real solutions.  Our country will never be perfect, but I truly believe that no other has come closer than ours.

[Mango]

25 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

I also don't care if the kneel or stand. If the Bills are on TV I will watch, have been my whole life. Strictly as an observer and someone who really doesn't care about all this division the numbers and reaction online and social media is very telling that NFL numbers will be down considerably. Like I said I will be watching regardless because I believe we will win the Super Bowl this year.

 

Check out These Stats and charts on NFL viewership over the years and pay attention to the dip and I suspect there will be a massive dip this year. 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/289979/nfl-number-of-tv-viewers-usa/

 

I also googled "When did the kneeling protest start in the NFL"  and according to Wikipedia it was in 2016.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._national_anthem_protests_(2016–present)

 

Now if I am a betting man, someone that doesn't give a crap if the players and coaches kneel or not I would bet the House that NFL ratings and Merchandise sales are going to have a major drop off this year. 

 

Another indicator is the record Low ESPN ratings and the DAZN and cable subscription cancelations. 

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/espn-golf-channel-tv-ratings-viewership-coronavirus

 

Should be very interesting to see how this plays out.

 

This is way overblown. I quickly googled articles to refresh my memory on this, and it seems the ratings drop was much-ado about nothing. The NFL ratings are in line with the drop in viewership with all pro sports in the US. Including a sport like NASCAR that doesn't have any kneeling. Over half of those who said they wouldn't watch due to kneeling also stated that they do not follow sports to begin with. 

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/politifact-trumps-mostly-false-claim-that-nfl-ratings-are-way-down/2338751/

 

Also, Sr. VP of Research for Fox emphatically says that kneeling is not a reason for drops in games. Also states total viewership in 2016 actually GREW! 

 

https://www.si.com/media/2017/08/31/colin-kaepernick-nfl-ratings-cbs-study-sean-mcmanus

[wppete]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

This is way overblown. I quickly googled articles to refresh my memory on this, and it seems the ratings drop was much-ado about nothing. The NFL ratings are in line with the drop in viewership with all pro sports in the US. Including a sport like NASCAR that doesn't have any kneeling. Over half of those who said they wouldn't watch due to kneeling also stated that they do not follow sports to begin with. 

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/politifact-trumps-mostly-false-claim-that-nfl-ratings-are-way-down/2338751/

 

Also, Sr. VP of Research for Fox emphatically says that kneeling is not a reason for drops in games. Also states total viewership in 2016 actually GREW! 

 

https://www.si.com/media/2017/08/31/colin-kaepernick-nfl-ratings-cbs-study-sean-mcmanus

 

Nice. I guess time will tell. We will see how this plays out in the 2020 season. For one I hope the NFL is a success. 

[C.Biscuit97]

28 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

I also don't care if the kneel or stand. If the Bills are on TV I will watch, have been my whole life. Strictly as an observer and someone who really doesn't care about all this division the numbers and reaction online and social media is very telling that NFL numbers will be down considerably. Like I said I will be watching regardless because I believe we will win the Super Bowl this year.

 

Check out These Stats and charts on NFL viewership over the years and pay attention to the dip and I suspect there will be a massive dip this year. 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/289979/nfl-number-of-tv-viewers-usa/

 

I also googled "When did the kneeling protest start in the NFL"  and according to Wikipedia it was in 2016.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._national_anthem_protests_(2016–present)

 

Now if I am a betting man, someone that doesn't give a crap if the players and coaches kneel or not I would bet the House that NFL ratings and Merchandise sales are going to have a major drop off this year. 

 

Another indicator is the record Low ESPN ratings and the DAZN and cable subscription cancelations. 

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/espn-golf-channel-tv-ratings-viewership-coronavirus

 

Should be very interesting to see how this plays out.

I respect your position but there are a lot of factors.  
 

1) sports networks are dropping without sports.  Weird

 

2) The NFL wants every dollar but if fans are going to stop watching the league over a silent protest over racial equality and police brutality, is that really a loss.  There are some fans who love football who love to drop the n word and other slurs.  There are fans who send death threats to players who mess up.  Are those really loses?  Personally, I actually care about the players I root for.  
 

3) the Cowboys and Pats had the best records that year.  What percentage of their fans stopped watching that year?  A lot easier to protest the nfl when watching the 3-13 Bears (a huge market).  
 

4)  the thing I find so disingenuous is the people who would quit watching football over this love to use played out terms like snowflakes.  I would argue stopping watching a sport you love over a silent protest is the definition of being a snowflake.  
 

5) these fans who are going to quit are no different that the Bills fans who used to post they were done being Bills fans when they had a bad season.  They love to say how they quitting.  Well guess what?  No one cares.  Just quit.  Some else will take your place.  
 

there are 3 times I would quit being a Bills fans: if they moved (this is the only way I would outright quit); if they signed Vick (I would have rejoined them after he was gone); and if they drafted Joe Mixon.  Where is the same energy for a dude knocking a woman out on camera?  I missed those protests and threatening to quit watching the sport.  Jerry Jones loves to tour his patriotism but he also loves signing Greg Hardy and other criminals.  
 

In closing, I think Trump is an absolute joke of human being.  It blows my mind that is even a political opinion (I would think he was a joke no matter what party he is because our 2 party system is a joke).  Please read any threads when it was talked about he buying the Bills.  I hated him long before he ran for office (and he was a Democrat back then).  But why would I quit being a fan because Rex the idiot led a Trump rally and RI (who has long been a scumbag who threaten to shoot up funeral home , cut his dad’s head off, and beat yo his grandmother) was on the team.  I love how people think RI is misunderstood and Kaepernick is the devil.  
 

botomline, it’s America and people could do whatever they want.  I actually hope people do quit because ticket prices will go down.  But I love that the people who love saying how soft this country is are some of the softest human beings around.  This country could use a lot more empathy and listening to others.  I have many flaws but if you are willing to have a conversation with me, I’ll listen.  And the beautiful thing about that is I have a super diverse friend group.  That’s what America is supposed to be.  Sorry for the rant. 
 

blow up political parties

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I respect your position but there are a lot of factors.  
 

1) sports networks are dropping without sports.  Weird

 

2) The NFL wants every dollar but if fans are going to stop watching the league over a silent protest over racial equality and police brutality, is that really a loss.  There are some fans who love football who love to drop the n word and other slurs.  There are fans who send death threats to players who mess up.  Are those really loses?  Personally, I actually care about the players I root for.  
 

3) the Cowboys and Pats had the best records that year.  What percentage of their fans stopped watching that year?  A lot easier to protest the nfl when watching the 3-13 Bears (a huge market).  
 

4)  the thing I find so disingenuous is the people who would quit watching football over this love to use played out terms like snowflakes.  I would argue stopping watching a sport you love over a silent protest is the definition of being a snowflake.  
 

5) these fans who are going to quit are no different that the Bills fans who used to post they were done being Bills fans when they had a bad season.  They love to say how they quitting.  Well guess what?  No one cares.  Just quit.  Some else will take your place.  
 

there are 3 times I would quit being a Bills fans: if they moved (this is the only way I would outright quit); if they signed Vick (I would have rejoined them after he was gone); and if they drafted Joe Mixon.  Where is the same energy for a dude knocking a woman out on camera?  I missed those protests and threatening to quit watching the sport.  Jerry Jones loves to tour his patriotism but he also loves signing Greg Hardy and other criminals.  
 

In closing, I think Trump is an absolute joke of human being.  It blows my mind that is even a political opinion (I would think he was a joke no matter what party he is because our 2 party system is a joke).  Please read any threads when it was talked about he buying the Bills.  I hated him long before he ran for office (and he was a Democrat back then).  But why would I quit being a fan because Rex the idiot led a Trump rally and RI (who has long been a scumbag who threaten to shoot up funeral home , cut his dad’s head off, and beat yo his grandmother) was on the team.  I love how people think RI is misunderstood and Kaepernick is the devil.  
 

botomline, it’s America and people could do whatever they want.  I actually hope people do quit because ticket prices will go down.  But I love that the people who love saying how soft this country is are some of the softest human beings around.  This country could use a lot more empathy and listening to others.  I have many flaws but if you are willing to have a conversation with me, I’ll listen.  And the beautiful thing about that is I have a super diverse friend group.  That’s what America is supposed to be.  Sorry for the rant. 
 

blow up political parties

 

Very well said. The 2020 season will be very telling. Go Bills!

[C.Biscuit97]

37 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Good points. I am certain that most people supporting BLM are good people and do not want socialism.  In fact, I believe the movement has been hijacked by some very unsavory people. Many people are waking up to this.  Just hope enough see the ugliness of picking winners and losers and realize that most Americans have each others backs, regardless of color.  All it takes is real communication....real understanding and folks working toward real solutions.  Our country will never be perfect, but I truly believe that no other has come closer than ours.

Isn’t that true about this entire country?  I firmly believe that most of this country is in the middle on most issues.  Except we have constructed a bloods and crips way of thinking on every issue.  People argue so hard based on their gang when the vast majority of Americans are in the middle.  It’s the loudest idiots on both sides (2 choices for a country as big and diverse is an absolute joke) that are ones who divide us.  

 

Just now, wppete said:

 

Very well said. The 2020 season will be very telling. Go Bills!

Also, I would love to know percentage of fans who won’t watch the Bills when we are division favorites because of the kneeling.  A lot easier to have that energy during 6-10 seasons.

[Spielman]

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

Thanks for letting us know.  It won’t be the same without you. ?

[Rocky Landing]

4 minutes ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

It is certainly your right to go crawl under any rock you want. But, what makes you think you can speak for those who are (respectfully, imo) protesting during the anthem? Do you not see that protest is a vital form of patriotism?

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

Yes it is.  And their right as well to protest.  It is clear you don't want to hear what is being said by all the players, that they respect the flag and the military but are protesting treatment of blacks.

[wppete]

9 minutes ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

While I don’t agree with you or your position, I do respect the fact that you have the right to feel that way and the right to express yourself freely...
 

I am starting to think there is a silent majority out there of football fans and casual viewers that feel the same as you.... The 2020 season is going to be chaotic , that’s for sure. 
 

GO BILLS! 

[Blank Stare]

15 minutes ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

[ProcessYaDigg]

24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Thanks for letting us know.  It won’t be the same without you. ?

Best post of the day!

[Rico]

21 minutes ago, wppete said:

While I don’t agree with you or your position, I do respect the fact that you have the right to feel that way and the right to express yourself freely...
 

I am starting to think there is a silent majority out there of football fans and casual viewers that feel the same as you.... The 2020 season is going to be chaotic , that’s for sure. 
 

GO BILLS! 

I think the silent majority is annoyed but not too concerned with kneeling during the national anthem; too many other things have their full attention.

[Kirby Jackson]

38 minutes ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

I picture this playing in the background as you typed that:

 

 

Thoughts and prayers ??????!!

Edited June 17, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Jauronimo]

38 minutes ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

So what are you doing here?

[wppete]

5 minutes ago, Rico said:

I think the silent majority is annoyed but not too concerned with kneeling during the national anthem; too many other things have their full attention.

Time will tell. We are just a few months away. 

[DrDawkinstein]

28 minutes ago, wppete said:

While I don’t agree with you or your position, I do respect the fact that you have the right to feel that way and the right to express yourself freely...
 

I am starting to think there is a silent majority out there of football fans and casual viewers that feel the same as you.... The 2020 season is going to be chaotic , that’s for sure. 
 

GO BILLS! 

 

I'm not sure there's a silent majority that feel so strongly. I'd wager the majority see the protest, recognize it isnt against the flag, but dont know what else they can do about the main issue, so move on and just go on with their day like normal people. Hence being silent.

[Jauronimo]

26 minutes ago, wppete said:

While I don’t agree with you or your position, I do respect the fact that you have the right to feel that way and the right to express yourself freely...
 

I am starting to think there is a silent majority out there of football fans and casual viewers that feel the same as you.... The 2020 season is going to be chaotic , that’s for sure. 
 

GO BILLS! 

This same "silent majority" that went berzerk in 2017 and abandoned the sport when Kaepernick started the protest.  Its the same "silent majority" that posted raving videos of themselves burning all their NFL gear to "boycott" the NFL.  Its the same group who left the sport in 2009 when Vick was reinstated.  

 

This silent majority is extremely loud and hasn't made good on any of their previous promises to stop watching.  I'll believe it when I see it.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

This same "silent majority" that went berzerk in 2017 and abandoned the sport when Kaepernick started the protest.  Its the same "silent majority" that posted raving videos of themselves burning all their NFL gear to "boycott" the NFL.  Its the same group who left the sport in 2009 when Vick was reinstated.  

 

This silent majority is extremely loud and hasn't made good on any of their previous promises to stop watching.  I'll believe it when I see it.

This time they’re serious though

[BigBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Dopey said:

To your last paragraph,  "defeat or humiliate the opponent",  the fact that you see kneeling this way says enough to me. I hope the Bills kneel. You will not be missed.

Can I buy your tickets from you. I'll kneel in the stands with them.

 

It should say enough to you, it's a power grab by a hostile power forcing subjugation and the power of the mob against unsuspecting people. 

 

Wear a OAN shirt apologize or be fired, kneel before the flag and say how much you hate the police you're a hero.

 

And as far as buying tickets go steal them, it's how you take power.

Edited June 17, 2020 by BigBillsFan

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

 

So just to be clear - you're cool with Tyreek Hill in the NFL, the NFL covering up a major concussion problem for years, etc. But the straw that broke your back was the national anthem? Yeah, that is your right. That doesn't make it smart or moral. But you can do what you want. Boycotts in general are really dumb in my opinion. There are 1000 reasons to boycott any major company in America if you look closely. Choosing one that happens to offend you doesn't give you the high ground. If someone wanted to boycott the NFL because they allow someone that punched a pregnant woman in the stomach to play, I would respect that. Your reasoning is paper thin.

[wppete]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So just to be clear - you're cool with Tyreek Hill in the NFL, the NFL covering up a major concussion problem for years, etc. But the straw that broke your back was the national anthem? Yeah, that is your right. That doesn't make it smart or moral. But you can do what you want. Boycotts in general are really dumb in my opinion. There are 1000 reasons to boycott any major company in America if you look closely. Choosing one that happens to offend you doesn't give you the high ground. If someone wanted to boycott the NFL because they allow someone that punched a pregnant woman in the stomach to play, I would respect that. Your reasoning is paper thin.

 

Well said my friend well said!!!! I believe there are more people out there that share his opinion and are being silent and that is concerning to the NFL. 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by wppete

[BigBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Spielman said:

The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
 

and that is MY right . 

 

 

Good for you. I'm holding out to see if the Bills take a knee. If they do I'm gone too. I'm glad you wrote what you did.

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

While I don’t agree with you or your position, I do respect the fact that you have the right to feel that way and the right to express yourself freely...
 

I am starting to think there is a silent majority out there of football fans and casual viewers that feel the same as you.... The 2020 season is going to be chaotic , that’s for sure. 
 

GO BILLS! 

I think it is more the 'silent middle' and not the silent majority.

 

I think the majority of the nation is split between the 2 sides..and they certainly are not silent.  Those in favor of kneeling let you know their point of view..and those who don't favor it let you know also.  

 

The 'silent' portion of the nation is the middle..those that won't take a firm stand either way, because they either don't care at all, or they see both sides of view.

[BigBillsFan]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So just to be clear - you're cool with Tyreek Hill in the NFL, the NFL covering up a major concussion problem for years, etc. But the straw that broke your back was the national anthem? Yeah, that is your right. That doesn't make it smart or moral. But you can do what you want. Boycotts in general are really dumb in my opinion. There are 1000 reasons to boycott any major company in America if you look closely. Choosing one that happens to offend you doesn't give you the high ground. If someone wanted to boycott the NFL because they allow someone that punched a pregnant woman in the stomach to play, I would respect that. Your reasoning is paper thin.

 

Go study the Post Hoc fallacy; this is the quintessential version of it.

 

The actions of individuals are not the same thing as league policy as a political statement over our country to give us our freedoms.

 

What an individual does is not a reflection of the whole, but if the whole makes a decision that some individuals don't do you can make a summary decision. His reasoning is very sound.

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

I think it is more the 'silent middle' and not the silent majority.

 

I think the majority of the nation is split between the 2 sides..and they certainly are not silent.  Those in favor of kneeling let you know their point of view..and those who don't favor it let you know also.  

 

The 'silent' portion of the nation is the middle..those that won't take a firm stand either way, because they either don't care at all, or they see both sides of view.

They did a recent poll of this and more Americans agree with the players kneeling at this point.  If the NFL is looking to the long term health of the game they'd be wise to support players kneeling given its support among young people.

 

The poll asked the question, “Is it OK for NFL players to kneel during the national anthem to protest police killings of African Americans?” The results were interesting:

• Both male and female respondents agreed that it was, by a margin of 52 percent to 37 percent (male) and 52 percent to 34 percent (female)

• Younger respondents tended to be more favorable to the idea, with 68 percent of those 18-29 agreeing that it was. That number steadily declined to 36 percent of respondents over 65

• Self-described Democrats strongly favored the right to protest, at 77 percent, while only 20 percent of Republicans, and 20 percent of self-described Trump voters, answered in the affirmative

• Along racial lines, 77 percent of blacks, 57 percent of Hispanics, and 47 percent of whites answered positively

• Among respondents with incomes of more than $100,000, 63 percent agreed with the right to protest, while 49 percent of respondents with incomes of less than $50,000 agreed

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

The actions of individuals are not the same thing as league policy as a political statement over our country to give us our freedoms.

 

What an individual does is not a reflection of the whole, but if the whole makes a decision that some individuals don't do you can make a summary decision. His reasoning is very sound.

 

The policy of the NFL is that if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach you can still play as long as you're a top player. Hill also has another strike on his record within the last 2 years. And he's just one example. I won't accept anyone who tells me that players kneeling for the anthem offends them while some of this other stuff goes on. You're allowed to feel offended. I sometimes feel disgusted when I think about some of the scumbags in the NFL, thankfully none on the Bills. I still watch the games because frankly every major organization has blemishes like that.