Jake Fromm: Controversial comments

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said:

I’d cut him. Anything to upset the balance of the team right now needs to be gone. Seems like the JA stuff a few years back was handled internally and he earned the respect of his teammates. With emotions running high, I wouldn’t risk rocking the boat for a 5th rd noodle armed rookie.

 

Josh quoted song lyrics, which included the n-word.  He was insensitive, but not intentional. Fromm expressed prejudice. One is wayyyyy worse than the other. 

[BuffaloBillies]

Here's my opinion....

 

This is Dumb.

• Twitter is dumb.
• The comment was dumb.
• The reaction is dumb.
• 7 pages and counting on TBD is dumb.

Go Bills.

[billsfanmiami(oh)]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

 

So you better be prepared to cut a bunch of other people too.  Let's create a twitter army and go through every tweet by every player and any sign that they ever engaged in any kind of wrongthink, they must be cut immediately.  Maybe send them to jail too because we can never be too pure as a people. 

How’d addressing the team go Jake?

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Josh quoted song lyrics, which included the n-word.  He was insensitive, but not intentional. Fromm expressed prejudice. One is wayyyyy worse than the other. 

Also this was Fromm a year ago as opposed to a teenage Josh Allen.

[Rico]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

It sounds like it was a joke.

 

oh no, he said guns are good! Lock him up!

As Mick Jagger once said,

“If you can’t take a joke, it’s just too ***** bad.”

[MAJBobby]

I bet Tre and Addison won’t accept this apology. Based on there reactions to Brees’s apology. 
 

But maybe because they were made when he was very young still  guess we will see 

 

[HappyDays]

26 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

he deserves some blowback and serious conversations. How he handles those would be a major test of whether he stays.

 

Sure, if he needs to play that game and fake apologize that's fine. But it reads like an off-color joke to me. I mean really are we saying he truly thinks of himself as an "elite white guy" and that he is actually saying that to his friend? That's dumb. It was just a bad joke.

[dorquemada]

Just now, billsfanmiami(oh) said:

How’d addressing the team go Jake?

 

I don't even care about him as a player at this point, just tired of the pitchfork crowd coming out at every provocation.  I've told my kids (16+20) to stay the f off social media because what's acceptable today will be a hate crime tomorrow and as a society we've lost the ability to consider context or the gravity of a situation but instead focus like a laser on being able to 'gotcha' people.  It's like the virtual French Revolution.  Of course the average twitter user doesn't know anything about history so they don't know what happened to the initiators of that particular event, or for that matter the vanguard of every revolution. 

[Fortunesmith]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

 

If legit - and I am not saying it is - it's super-problematic for the obvious reasons, but also because Fromm has painted himself as Bible-quoting devout Christian whose hobby is praying. (I'm not making the last part up). https://sportsspectrum.com/sport/football/2019/08/30/georgia-qb-jake-fromm-follows-god-embraces-pressure-as-he-chases-elusive-title/

When someone exclaims how devout of a Christian they are as a point of self-promotion, you can rest assured they are a terrible person. 

[goldenboy81]

Man if true gotta cut him asap. He's a bum anyways

[Victory Formation]

I think it was just a bad joke. It’s not like he lynched anyone and this is coming from a man who hates racism, loves God and acknowledges and that my Savior is a Jew. Josh Allen made a bad joke in the past as well, cut him too. Bottom line is kids grow up. I admit that I’ve said and acted inappropriately in the past as well, but then I became a man and I turned away from my childish ways.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Josh quoted song lyrics, which included the n-word.  He was insensitive, but not intentional. Fromm expressed prejudice. One is wayyyyy worse than the other. 

 

he was also like 15.  I was talking about this to my buddy the other day, we didn't have twitter then - but imagine some of the crap we said when we played counterstrike.... 

[YoloinOhio]

This is stupid. A private text convo? I don’t care whether he stays or goes really but lets release the whole league’s private texts please and see what everyone else thinks is funny to joke about 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sure, if he needs to play that game and fake apologize that's fine. But it reads like an off-color joke to me. I mean really are we saying he truly thinks of himself as an "elite white guy" and that he is actually saying that to his friend? That's dumb. It was just a bad joke.

Well no of course not if we're taking everything he said in this conversation as the absolute truth about his opinions he also states that he isn't one.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, dorquemada said:

 

I don't even care about him as a player at this point, just tired of the pitchfork crowd coming out at every provocation.  I've told my kids (16+20) to stay the f off social media because what's acceptable today will be a hate crime tomorrow and as a society we've lost the ability to consider context or the gravity of a situation but instead focus like a laser on being able to 'gotcha' people.  It's like the virtual French Revolution.  Of course the average twitter user doesn't know anything about history so they don't know what happened to the initiators of that particular event, or for that matter the vanguard of every revolution. 

 

The rush to judgement in many cases is what bothers me the most.  Al Franken resigned like 2 weeks after accusations.  None of which could or would have likely been proven - all to help his party.  In the end Kristen Gillibrand used it as the launching point for her incredible failure of a presidential campaign.  

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

This is stupid. A private text convo? I don’t care whether he stays or goes really but lets release the whole league’s private texts please and see what everyone else thinks is funny to joke about 

 

Yeah - much like the tunsil draft day photo... timing for someone doing this was not great.  Very clearly meant to tarnish his reputation - must've been a bad breakup or something.

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

he was also like 15.  I was talking about this to my buddy the other day, we didn't have twitter then - but imagine some of the crap we said when we played counterstrike.... 

 

This is a great point.   I want the audio logs from xbox live and the playstation network for every single NFL player.  If there's any racism or misogyny, transphobia, or any other kind of bigotry, they must immediately be cut from the NFL, and banished from society

[Doc]

He apologized to the team and will probably enroll in sensitivity training.  Has anyone ever accused him of racism?  Will anyone?  If not, move on.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

So we're supposed to tar and feather this guy because of a 1 year old screenshot of part of a private text exchange? What if the other person said something about "elite white people" earlier in the message and he was trying to make a joke about it? 

 

This isn't even worth an apology IMO. 

[Big Blitz]

And he's the number 1 trend in America.

 

Awesome.

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I'll admit I've had personal text conversations where I've made very off-color jokes to my friends. It's not right that this was leaked and I don't take it as a statement on who Fromm is as a person. I'm sure everyone here has said something in private that would destroy their career if it was made public.

Yes, most of us probably have said something in the past that we would regret today and I also suspect that most of us forgot all about it too.  Most people grow and evolve.  I am 61 and not the exact same person I was when I was 16, or 22, or 35, or even 50. 

 

We need to teach our young people that Twitter/ emails/ texting/ cell phones leave a stain.  They leave a trail that can come back to haunt.  

 

This thing we are talking about here, I am not sure it is real, or when it happened, or any other context written before it.  This stuff just shows up and BAMM.   I recall josh Allen was accused of racist remarks when he was a teenager and he had to address it. 

 

It sounds like a young person saying stupid things.  That is all I can make out of it. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Bob in STL

[BillsFanForever19]

Ah, crap. Guess we'll just have to cut him and sign Cam now. Shucks ?

Edited June 4, 2020 by BillsFanForever19

[MJS]

So the girl who leaked it. Is she an ex girlfriend?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, dorquemada said:

 

This is a great point.   I want the audio logs from xbox live and the playstation network for every single NFL player.  If there's any racism or misogyny, transphobia, or any other kind of bigotry, they must immediately be cut from the NFL, and banished from society

 

Oh man... I pretty much only play online with friends in party chat to avoid all that.  Now if you listen to my call of duty warzone party chat you'll just repeatedly hear me say "wow i suck", "why am i so bad at shooting?", "why do i play this game?", and "are you serious?!"

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

It could be fake or real do 100 reasons. But I don't think spelling somebody's name wrong in your contacts is a sign. I have all sorts of misspellings in my contacts. Ashley vs. Ashleigh. Jeff's, my friend Pat is actually accidentally in as Pam. As far as his picture. He is a kid fresh out of college, not a dude who is yet to be ingrained in the NFL. Looks relatively standard to me. 

 

Hopefully this is fake though. 

Anyone who spells their name Ashleigh deserves to have it spelled wrong

[JoeF]

I understand its a private text, but is it a reflection of a pattern of behavior?  I think the Bills should at least investigate that aspect of this if they haven't as part of their due diligence on him.  If its a pattern; if there are other incidents (and that's a big if) it would be hard to keep him.

[dorquemada]

Just now, dneveu said:

 

Oh man... I pretty much only play online with friends in party chat to avoid all that.  Now if you listen to my call of duty warzone party chat you'll just repeatedly hear me say "wow i suck", "why am i so bad at shooting?", "why do i play this game?", and "are you serious?!"

 

yeah log into a public game and all you'll hear is the N word.  I think they've changed some of that recently, but i stopped for the same reason, that and I'm terrible at it

Just now, JoeF said:

I understand its a private text, but is it a reflection of a pattern of behavior?  I think the Bills should at least investigate that aspect of this if they haven't as part of their due diligence on him.  If its a pattern; if there are other incidents (and that's a big if) it would be hard to keep him.

 

If it's a pattern of behavior where's the rest of the instances of that happening?  I mean besides the obvious fake from England.  If this guy is some kind of Boss Hogg style racist there should be plenty of evidence of such, and not just a single screengrab from a private conversation.

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

Bye bye to your career 

[YoloinOhio]

Yet incognito still has a job in the nfl - let’s revisit those texts...

[JoeF]

2 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

yeah log into a public game and all you'll hear is the N word.  I think they've changed some of that recently, but i stopped for the same reason, that and I'm terrible at it

 

If it's a pattern of behavior where's the rest of the instances of that happening?  I mean besides the obvious fake from England.  If this guy is some kind of Boss Hogg style racist there should be plenty of evidence of such, and not just a single screengrab from a private conversation.

And how do you know this until you look into it?  So you think the Bills should just drop it now and not investigate further?  Doesn't sit well with me.

[KD in CA]

9 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

So we're supposed to tar and feather this guy because of a 1 year old screenshot of part of a private text exchange? What if the other person said something about "elite white people" earlier in the message and he was trying to make a joke about it? 

 

This isn't even worth an apology IMO. 

 

Oh yes.....that's what we're doing now.   In my town we're in the process of tar and feathering the new mayor because she (minority female btw) fumbled her response to a question about protests.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by KD in CA

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, JoeF said:

And how do you know this until you look into it?  So you think the Bills should just drop it now and not investigate further?  Doesn't sit well with me.

 

I expect the Bills did some due dilligence, which for obvious reasons wouldn't include the contents of private text conversations.  If there's record of other 'racist' conversations, i'm sure our brave twitter warriors will come up with it.  Then everyone can celebrate ruining a man's career because of this horrible crime

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

And he's the number 1 trend in America.

 

Awesome.

He’s the next Drew Brees! What a steal by Beane. 

[JoeF]

Just now, dorquemada said:

 

I expect the Bills did some due dilligence, which for obvious reasons wouldn't include the contents of private text conversations.  If there's record of other 'racist' conversations, i'm sure our brave twitter warriors will come up with it.  Then everyone can celebrate ruining a man's career because of this horrible crime

Thanks for you guidance on this issue.  I feel like I need another shower...

[FireChans]

23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I bet Tre and Addison won’t accept this apology. Based on there reactions to Brees’s apology. 
 

But maybe because they were made when he was very young still  guess we will see 

 

Tre seems to like Shady a whole lot, who we can almost GUARANTEE has said some incredibly insensitive stuff about women behind closed doors.

 

The ivory tower only provides a longer way to fall. 

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yet incognito still has a job in the nfl - let’s revisit those texts...

Truth.  I read them all.  It was the first season of kid pitch baseball.  I had the time.  Cogs is a pretty awful person.  I don’t think he intentionally bullied his teammate, but he’s not a good dude.  Or was not at the time. 

[Warcodered]

Just now, FireChans said:

Tre seems to like Shady a whole lot, who we can almost GUARANTEE has said some incredibly insensitive stuff about women behind closed doors.

 

The ivory tower only provides a longer way to fall. 

This logic checks out.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

This logic checks out.

Yeah I guess Tre isn’t a woman so why would he care. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

54 minutes ago, MJS said:

It's obviously a joke. A dumb joke and insensitive, but people say dumb things in private text conversations all the time.

 

If he gets fired for this it shows what a backward world we live in. Getting fired for a private joke made in a private conversation?

 

I guess Drew Brees should get fired for saying people shouldn't kneel during the anthem. Josh Allen should get fired for the tweets he sent as a teenager.

 

And I am totally on board with the cause against police brutality and believe that African Americans have it much worse.

Agree. I'll be very disappointed if he gets cut. It was a bad joke. We have a POTUS who talked about grabbing women by the ***** and he's still POTUS. What a malicious person who posted this, and creepy that she even had it after all this time.

 

Before anyone attacks me... I'm a participant in BLM protests. But this effort to destroy anyone's career or integrity because of one mistake has absolutely gotten out of hand.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

6 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Oh yes.....that's what we're doing now.   In my town we're in the process of tar and feathering the new mayor because she (minority female btw) fumbled her response to a question about protests.

 

 

 

Twitter outrage getting those results ?

 

Twitter is a plague on society 

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Tre seems to like Shady a whole lot, who we can almost GUARANTEE has said some incredibly insensitive stuff about women behind closed doors.

 

The ivory tower only provides a longer way to fall. 

Tre’s right about the response by Brees.  I had the same reaction: Brees has a good PR person.  Not a great one though because a great PR person would have made it seem more genuine and believable.