Dan Orlovsky just did AFCE QB rankings on ESPN. Had Allen at #3!

[JetsFan20]

Its all click bait. There is zero content right now in the sports world so editors are having their media personalities discuss/write about things that rile up the masses. 
 

I’m so nauseated by power rankings and QB rankings. How many of these geniuses had SF in the Super Bowl and Lamar Jackson the MVP this time last year?

[Gugny]

21 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

100%. 
Tua flashed just enough potential in college to not make this a laughable ranking. 

 

He barely flashed, if you ask me.  Nice kid.  I hope he makes it.  But I think he was just another great college QB whose skills will not translate to the NFL.  There's been a lot of 'em.

[Hurricane]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

Dan who?

The guy who ran out lf the endzone for a safety on a drop back.  

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, Bleedingreennc said:

How is Josh better?

Id put Allen better as a playmaker.

Darnold is the much better pure passer. 

 

If you combined the two, you'd probably have one of the best QBs to ever play the game, IMO. 

1 hour ago, Bleedingreennc said:

To be Honest, Darnold and Allen are 1a and 1b. Obviously im hoping Darnold gets better, and with an improved OL i think he will. But to say Tua is better than Allen is riduculous. I do admit that the Bills will win the division, the Jets and Dolphins will battle for the 2nd spot, but with the Jets having the 2nd hardest schedule i think the Dolphins take the 2nd spot. All hail the Pats being last. I wouldnt be surprised if the Pats go 0-6 in the division.

How has he been ruined? He went 6-2 at the end of the season with a garbage OL. With a revamped OL i think he will flourish.

 

Adam Gase is a terrible head coach and that Jets team scream dysfunction with not wanting Bell and signing him to a huge contract.

 

Ruined is probably strong, he is doing well in spite of the GM and HC. IMO he would be a better QB in a better situation. The Jets don't really come off as stable, and again, I think Gase is an awful awful HC and leader of a team

 

 

[KD in CA]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

Dan who?

I want to say it’s the guy whose most famous highlight was forgetting the end zone is only ten yards deep and dropped back right into a safety.

[Bleedingreennc]

7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Id put Allen better as a playmaker.

Darnold is the much better pure passer. 

 

If you combined the two, you'd probably have one of the best QBs to ever play the game, IMO. 

 

Adam Gase is a terrible head coach and that Jets team scream dysfunction with not wanting Bell and signing him to a huge contract.

 

Ruined is probably strong, he is doing well in spite of the GM and HC. IMO he would be a better QB in a better situation. The Jets don't really come off as stable, and again, I think Gase is an awful awful HC and leader of a team

 

 

I miss the 2BillsDrive vets, these idiots are coming off as unknowing...

[CountDorkula]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would bet you a lot of money Tua will have a better nfl career than Stidham (assuming he can stay healthy).  Of course no one knows for sure but it’s not really a stretch to think that.

 

and it’s funny when Chris Simms or Jordan Palmer gives positive stuff about Allen, no posters try to put down their careers, ?

 

Well correct, you talk good about Buffalo, you are the king of kings. You even remotely say "I dont think XXX is all that great, or it's not as good as everyone else thinks to me" Holy hell watch out the mob mentality will get cha. 

 

 

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You really think Darnold is more talented than Tua?   I disagree with that one. 

 

I thought Darnold was one of the best QBs to come out in a long time. I still really like him.

 

I also liked Rosen and was Meh on Mahomes so there is that......

 

The Smartest QB in the division is on Buffalo IMO. Fromm is so insanely smart it's not funny.  Above Fitz level. 

[frostbitmic]

At this point, Tua isn't even better that his team mate Fitz.

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

17 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

He barely flashed, if you ask me.  Nice kid.  I hope he makes it.  But I think he was just another great college QB whose skills will not translate to the NFL.  There's been a lot of 'em.

I can understand that stance. As a UGA fan the 2017 National Championship game performance is burned into my memory. 

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, Bleedingreennc said:

I miss the 2BillsDrive vets, these idiots are coming off as unknowing...

Im the idiot, because I think Gase is an idiot?

 

 

 

https://www.12up.com/posts/anonymous-jets-player-has-nsfw-take-on-adam-gase-and-his-bad-coaching-01dwja09tnp8

 

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/02/jets-adam-gase-called-terrible-game-bengals-worst-run-defense-nfl/

 

 

[Bleedingreennc]

17 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Id put Allen better as a playmaker.

Darnold is the much better pure passer. 

 

If you combined the two, you'd probably have one of the best QBs to ever play the game, IMO. 

 

Adam Gase is a terrible head coach and that Jets team scream dysfunction with not wanting Bell and signing him to a huge contract.

 

Ruined is probably strong, he is doing well in spite of the GM and HC. IMO he would be a better QB in a better situation. The Jets don't really come off as stable, and again, I think Gase is an awful awful HC and leader of a team

 

 

Did i say Gase is a good coach?

[CountDorkula]

3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I can understand that stance. As a UGA fan the 2017 National Championship game performance is burned into my memory. 

 

That one still stings. ?

[Bleedingreennc]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Im the idiot, because I think Gase is an idiot?

 

 

 

https://www.12up.com/posts/anonymous-jets-player-has-nsfw-take-on-adam-gase-and-his-bad-coaching-01dwja09tnp8

 

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/02/jets-adam-gase-called-terrible-game-bengals-worst-run-defense-nfl/

 

 

No, i think you are an idiot because you have rose colored glasses on. I expect more from the people on this board, and you are an idiot because you are posting links based off of opinions....anything else little girl?

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Im the idiot, because I think Gase is an idiot?

 

 

 

https://www.12up.com/posts/anonymous-jets-player-has-nsfw-take-on-adam-gase-and-his-bad-coaching-01dwja09tnp8

 

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/02/jets-adam-gase-called-terrible-game-bengals-worst-run-defense-nfl/

 

 

12Up? That is the type of site you get info from?? Sad.....

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Im the idiot, because I think Gase is an idiot?

 

 

 

https://www.12up.com/posts/anonymous-jets-player-has-nsfw-take-on-adam-gase-and-his-bad-coaching-01dwja09tnp8

 

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/02/jets-adam-gase-called-terrible-game-bengals-worst-run-defense-nfl/

 

 

Someone please fill in for this tard...

[CountDorkula]

15 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

No, i think you are an idiot because you have rose colored glasses on. I expect more from the people on this board, and you are an idiot because you are posting links based off of opinions....anything else little girl?

12Up? That is the type of site you get info from?? Sad.....

Someone please fill in for this tard...

 

I actually just googled Adam Gase, I mean i could have kept going.

The Bills had a former Dolphins player who hated Gase and put him on blast.

 

Also, what are my rose colored glasses> just curious.

 

That i really like Darnold but think he went to an awful situation in the Jets.

 

That Allen is a playmaker more than a pure passer, while Darnold is the opposite.

 

Man i am really going out of my way to prove Allen is better. You must be new here if you think im an Allen fanboy

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Bleedingreennc said:

I miss the 2BillsDrive vets, these idiots are coming off as unknowing...

 

I'm here but I'm sorry to say I think gase is a vuffooy.

[Royale with Cheese]

16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm here but I'm sorry to say I think gase is a vuffooy.

I bet you won’t say it to his face!

[BillsFan2313]

Good for Orlovsky

[Doc]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

2 one and done playoff appearances with a .500 record overall the past 3 years sure is a nice change from the disaster that was the Buffalo Bills from 2001 to 2013.... it’s really not much of an accomplishment though. 

 

Whatever you say Scott.  I'll take the 2 out of 3 playoff seasons and the direction the team is headed, even if they haven't won a playoff game (thanks to the chicanery in the Houston game). 

[BillsFan2313]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

2 one and done playoff appearances with a .500 record overall the past 3 years sure is a nice change from the disaster that was the Buffalo Bills from 2001 to 2013.... it’s really not much of an accomplishment though. 

 

Stop watching games, and following the team. If you can't see they are on the right path, then why care? Hang it up. 

[BobbyC81]

Sorry, I have no time for the opinion of an ex-QB who couldn’t even keep track of the back of the end zone.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 hours ago, Bleedingreennc said:

 the Jets and Dolphins will battle for the 2nd spot, but with the Jets having the 2nd hardest schedule i think the Dolphins take the 2nd spot. All hail the Pats being last. I wouldnt be surprised if the Pats go 0-6 in the division.

 

Jets will finish ahead of the Patriots? 

 

And you say Bills fans have rose colored glasses?

 

Hope you are right but I don't see the GOAT coach not fielding a competitive team. Especially not after coming off a season with the number one ranked defense. But maybe Stidham will be Peterman level bad?

[TuelTime]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/what-if-the-best-qb-in-the-afc-east-is…-ryan-fitzpatrick/ar-BB14FS05?li=BBnba9I

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, ColeB said:

Sorry, I have no time for the opinion of an ex-QB who couldn’t even keep track of the back of the end zone.

On field play has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to understand a position and evaluate players. I never understood why why people think good player equals good evaluator. History has proven otherwise in basically every sport.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Dan sucked as QB and he Sucks at ranking them.

 

Allen is number one hands down and thats not biased.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Buffalo Barbarian

[John from Riverside]

9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would bet you a lot of money Tua will have a better nfl career than Stidham (assuming he can stay healthy).  Of course no one knows for sure but it’s not really a stretch to think that.

 

and it’s funny when Chris Simms or Jordan Palmer gives positive stuff about Allen, no posters try to put down their careers, ?

I mean....its a safe bet....provided the hip holds up....which frankly bothers me

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Dan sucked as QB and he Sucks at ranking them.

 

Allen is number one hands down and thats not biased.

 

 

Coming from a guy who's name is Buffalo Barbarian, I beg to differ. 

[TwistofFate]

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Jets will finish ahead of the Patriots? 

 

And you say Bills fans have rose colored glasses?

 

Hope you are right but I don't see the GOAT coach not fielding a competitive team. Especially not after coming off a season with the number one ranked defense. But maybe Stidham will be Peterman level bad?

Brady was the ?... But, if Belly is as masterful as many believe, he's not trying to win this year.   His goal has been to build a defense, tank with Stidham, then draft Lawerence. 

 

Brady Round 2....with a defense in place. 

[Malazan]

21 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Brady was the ?... But, if Belly is as masterful as many believe, he's not trying to win this year.   His goal has been to build a defense, tank with Stidham, then draft Lawerence. 

 

Brady Round 2....with a defense in place. 

 

Why does he need to tank for a 6th round QB?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I bet you won’t say it to his face!

 

Worst autocorrect ever

[Thurman#1]

16 hours ago, Clutchwarfare said:

Every time I see articles/rankings like this, it makes me wonder if I'm blinded by loyalty; if I'm just too focused on the Buffalo Bills to realize that Josh really is more toward the bottom of the pack. In my mind he's a franchise QB and knocking on the door of the top 10. But nationwide, people just don't see it that way. Maybe it was the lack of prime time games in his 1st two seasons.

People constantly overlook the playoff appearance and even the fact that he had more rushing TDs than Lamar Jackson.  

So my question is: Are we crazy, or is the nationwide NFL audience blind? Probably a combo of both.

 

 

IMO it's just a case of people having different opinions. Happens all the time, very reasonably. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. More so with Tua. He might not even play. Or he might play and be really good.

 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Thurman#1

[machine gun kelly]

It’s silly to rank a QB who hasn’t played a down in the NFL as #1 in the division, but then these rankings are dumb.  I understand Darnold ranked higher as he is polished, but he will be forever cursed for being coached by Gase until he is fired.

[PromoTheRobot]

21 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I know these rankings don't mean anything at all, but until the season starts, we have nothing better to talk about.  This is ridiculous. He ranked Darnold number 1, Tua at #2! then Allen and then Stidham.  How the hell can you rank Tua higher than Allen after everything he accomplished so far?   I am fine with him favoring Darnold right now, even though I disagree, but come on! Tua?

 

We are getting a lot of love right now from the media, so this isn't a media bashing thread, just a statement at how bad Orlovsky's take is.  He seems to have an agenda against Josh Allen, which he continues to attribute to "inaccuracy".

 

To judge Tua's place in the pantheon of NFL QBs right now is sheer lunacy. 

[thurst44]

20 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I don't think this is egregious at all. I personally would rank Allen higher than that, but saying Darnold and Tua are better than Allen is reasonable IMO.

Ranking a QB who led his team to the playoffs and had 22 TDs and 3 INTs in the last 13 games should rank behind a QB who was injury prone in college and has not played a down in the NFL is reasonable? Well, you have a right to YO. 

[GimmeSomeProcess]

Who cares on paper, Tua looks like he could be the better qb. Awesome stats at a big program, they are feeding into the hype machine. I don’t think Tua will be as good in college but won’t know until it plays out.

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, thurst44 said:

Ranking a QB who led his team to the playoffs and had 22 TDs and 3 INTs in the last 13 games should rank behind a QB who was injury prone in college and has not played a down in the NFL is reasonable? Well, you have a right to YO. 

 

At best, Allen has proven himself to be an average starting QB. The general consensus would probably put him somewhere in the 20-25 range of QBs while I would say somewhere in the 15-20 range is probably more accurate. It's not a stretch at all to think a rookie QB could play at that level, especially one as highly touted as Tua.

[Doc]

6 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Brady was the ?... But, if Belly is as masterful as many believe, he's not trying to win this year.   His goal has been to build a defense, tank with Stidham, then draft Lawerence. 

 

Brady Round 2....with a defense in place. 

 

As I’ve said before, where is the trick in winning with a (supposed) generational QB?  The Cheaters being the worst team in the NFL makes Brady the one responsible for the success, not Belicheat given his time in Cleveland.  Now the Cheaters may and probably will still suck, but I doubt that’s Belicheat’s plan. 

 

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Thanks for setting me straight on how to be a fan. 

It was those damn refs that let Houston come back from a 16-0 hole! ?

 

No it’s those refs who negated a TD.  No wait, it was some guys in black shirts who had to come onto the field who did that. 

[Billl]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

To judge Tua's place in the pantheon of NFL QBs right now is sheer lunacy. 

I don’t think the current AFCE is exactly the pantheon of NFL QBs right now.  Unless a couple guys make big jumps, it may be the worst collection of QB play a division has ever seen.

[buffaloboyinATL]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

I don’t think the current AFCE is exactly the pantheon of NFL QBs right now.  Unless a couple guys make big jumps, it may be the worst collection of QB play a division has ever seen.

I am very much willing to say that is not the case. I am sure the crack research team here at TBD can come up with a list of divisional QB's that ranked below this one, which includes 3 first rounders and a relatively successful veteran journeyman.  I'm just too lazy to do the research myself.  

[DCOrange]

16 minutes ago, Billl said:

I don’t think the current AFCE is exactly the pantheon of NFL QBs right now.  Unless a couple guys make big jumps, it may be the worst collection of QB play a division has ever seen.

I doubt it's the worst in NFL history but I think it's pretty indisputably the worst in the league right now.

[buffaloboyinATL]

11 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I doubt it's the worst in NFL history but I think it's pretty indisputably the worst in the league right now.

What about the AFC South, with Watson, Rivers, Tannehill and Minshew/Glennon/Dobbs? Or the NFC East with Prescott, Jones, Wentz and Haskins?  I would rank those groups below the AFCE, but I guess it depends how you  are ranking them...