Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: I don't think this is egregious at all. I personally would rank Allen higher than that, but saying Darnold and Tua are better than Allen is reasonable IMO. Tua has accomplished NOTHING at the NFL level, and given the history of Alabama QBs in the NFL, he's likely NEVER to. Bad take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I didn't say it wasn't a Dan Orlovsky bashing thread... My point is I am not complaining that the Bills aren't getting enough love and attention in general, I am disagreeing with this one particular take. Lol right, it’s not media bashing, they are just all wrong when they don’t like Josh as much as me! Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Tua has accomplished NOTHING at the NFL level, and given the history of Alabama QBs in the NFL, he's likely NEVER to. Bad take. Joe Burrow has accomplished nothing at the NFL and given the history of LSU QB’s, he’s likely never to. The Bengals are likely trying to trade Burrow to the Bills for Barkley and all his NFL accomplishments. Do you get how stupid this take is? Probably not... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Lol right, it’s not media bashing, they are just all wrong when they don’t like Josh as much as me! I said that? Ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Joe Burrow has accomplished nothing at the NFL and given the history of LSU QB’s, he’s likely never to. Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutchwarfare Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Billl said: I’d probably go Miami, Buffalo, New York, New England. That said, any order is reasonable. I was watching the Cleveland game yesterday after the thread about it. There was a play deep in Browns territory where Allen scrambled and held the ball loosely. He got hit and fumbled. The ball bounced off a Brown, and a Lineman for the Bills fell on it a foot from the goal line. Josh ran a QB sneak on the next play for a TD. It was a terrible play by Josh, but it wound up being a TD on the stat sheet because he got incredibly lucky and was bailed out. So yes, it’s accurate to say that he had more rushing TDs than Lamar, but I think most neutral observers place very little importance on that fact because the 4 TD runs he had from the 1 yard line are more a function of Daboll calling QB sneaks as opposed to other teams who hand it to their RB in those situations. If those teams called for sneaks the way Daboll does, every QB in the league would have more rushing TDs. Fair point on rushing TDs. Well said. Still wouldn't take any other AFC-E QB over Josh tho. Maybe I suffer from "Homer Syndrome", maybe not. We shall see. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Good point! Gas leak alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Are we really going to be mad at analysts for picking Tua over Allen? Tua led a Top 2 D1 football program to a National Championship. Look at his college statistics verses Josh Allen's. Now, Darnold thus far has been more hype than results, and his foot/sickness has not helped his progress. Also the Jets skill positions have been weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Tua has accomplished NOTHING at the NFL level, and given the history of Alabama QBs in the NFL, he's likely NEVER to. Bad take. The idea that all QBs from a school, no matter the coach, system, etc. can't succeed in the NFL is a worse take. For all we know, Tua will never fully be himself after his injury, but absent that, I'd be shocked if he isn't a productive pro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Are we really going to be mad at analysts for picking Tua over Allen? Yes, yes we are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, MJS said: I just don't get what Darnold has done to be ranked by anyone above Allen. I don't think he's a bad QB or anything, he just hasn't done anything in the NFL. I think Allen has shown a lot more. Tua is a rookie, so there's a lot of projecting there. He could be good or he could be a bust. Tough to even include rookies in rankings, in my opinion. Plus he's not even the starter yet. Fitz will start the season. That's an unknown because neither have really played in the NFL. Darnold has alternated between bad and good, but when he plays well he has shown a level Allen hasn't reached yet as a passer. Needs to limit the back breaking INT tho to really justify separating the two by a meaningful stretch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Are we really going to be mad at analysts for picking Tua over Allen? Tua led a Top 2 D1 football program to a National Championship. Look at his college statistics verses Josh Allen's. Now, Darnold thus far has been more hype than results, and his foot/sickness has not helped his progress. Also the Jets skill positions have been weak. Man, if I had a dollar for every time Couch GMs used college statistics to project NFL success, I would own an NFL team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Man, if I had a dollar for every time Couch GMs used college statistics to project NFL success, I would own an NFL team. He's not gonna have any games against Miss St., Vandy or Tennessee in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I don't agree, but this doesn't get me bothered. It's all a bunch of speculation. I am convinced these media types have figured out how to drive traffic and one strategy is to slight the Bills in order to get the fan base all bothered so that they react. They know we will. It's an easy way get clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 The only reasonable debate is Allen vs Darnold. I would take and prefer Allen (even did so on Draft night as I had Allen narrowly number 2 over Darnold and behind Baker). I think Allen has that clutch gene, that leadership gene, and that extra edge to go with all his talents. But Darnold has a ton of upside too and showed real promise himself. So I think its a valid case to be made for one or the other narrowly edging out a higher ranking. But, Tua is a joke...as in all rookies are a joke to rank over a QB who just amasses 30 TD's in his 2nd season and led his team to a double digit win season and a playoff birth, and with 9 new starters on his offense to work with and scrubs playing opposite Brown all season to throw to. Tua could be great...could be a bust...could be mediocre. He has earned noting at this point other than its not unreasonable to rank him above almost equally unproven Stidham based on potential alone. But to rank him over a rapidly ascending 2 year vertaran QB coming off 30 TDs and a playoff birth is utterly irresponsible. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Man, if I had a dollar for every time Couch GMs used college statistics to project NFL success, I would own an NFL team. I knew this would come up. The Bills made a projection when they drafted Allen. That his stature, physical gifts, intangibles, would outweigh the immediate inconsistency and rather low statistical production. Other analysts watch Tua, note his stature and injuries, but say that his high level of production and accuracy translate well to the pro-game. I don't fault analysts for watching Tua's college career and Allen's college career/pro career and concluding that Tua is better. Allen has not led a top flight offense at Wyoming or in Buffalo, but this year is his best supporting cast yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Stidham has taken NFL snaps though. Surely that means he’s better than guys that haven’t. Right? No. Nobody is saying that. You are arguing something that nobody else is arguing. I think you are trying to make some kind of dumb point but really you are just being dumb. Both Tua and Stidham are unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: No. Nobody is saying that. You are arguing something that nobody else is arguing. I think you are trying to make some kind of dumb point but really you are just being dumb. Both Tua and Stidham are unknown. Hi MJS. Meet Joe. 19 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Tua has accomplished NOTHING at the NFL level, and given the history of Alabama QBs in the NFL, he's likely NEVER to. Bad take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I didn't say it wasn't a Dan Orlovsky bashing thread... My point is I am not complaining that the Bills aren't getting enough love and attention in general, I am disagreeing with this one particular take. Its just the fact that anyone who doesn't agree Allen is the second coming, has an "agenda." P. S..... He is inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, FireChans said: Hi MJS. Meet Joe. He stated his opinion about Tua. He isn't saying that every single QB who has ever taken a snap in the NFL is automatically better than a rookie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I knew this would come up. The Bills made a projection when they drafted Allen. That his stature, physical gifts, intangibles, would outweigh the immediate inconsistency and rather low statistical production. Other analysts watch Tua, note his stature and injuries, but say that his high level of production and accuracy translate well to the pro-game. I don't fault analysts for watching Tua's college career and Allen's college career/pro career and concluding that Tua is better. Allen has not led a top flight offense at Wyoming or in Buffalo, but this year is his best supporting cast yet. 1 Case Keenum* 19217 2007 2011 Houston 2 Timmy Chang* 17072 2000 2004 Hawaii 3 Landry Jones* 16646 2009 2012 Oklahoma 4 Graham Harrell* 15793 2005 2008 Texas Tech 5 Ty Detmer 15031 1988 1991 Brigham Young 6 Kellen Moore* 14667 2008 2011 Boise State 7 Baker Mayfield* 14607 2013 2017 Oklahoma 8 Luke Falk* 14481 2014 2017 Washington State 9 Colt Brennan* 14193 2005 2007 Hawaii 10 Rakeem Cato* 14079 2011 2014 Marshall 11 Mason Rudolph* 13618 2014 2017 Oklahoma State 12 Sean Mannion* 13600 2011 2014 Oregon State 13 Brett Rypien* 13578 2015 2018 Boise State 14 Philip Rivers* 13484 2000 2003 North Carolina State 15 Corey Robinson* 13477 2010 2013 Troy 16 Colt McCoy* 13253 2006 2009 Texas 17 Aaron Murray* 13166 2010 2013 Georgia 18 Kevin Kolb* 12964 2003 2006 Houston 19 Dan Lefevour* 12905 2006 2009 Central Michigan 20 Cooper Rush* 12891 2013 2016 Central Michigan 21 Brandon Doughty* 12855 2011 2015 Western Kentucky 22 Derek Carr* 12843 2009 2013 Fresno State 23 Tim Rattay 12746 1997 1999 Louisiana Tech 24 Ryan Lindley* 12690 2008 2011 San Diego State 25 Luke McCown 12666 2000 2003 Louisiana Tech 26 Chris Redman 12541 1996 1999 Louisville 27 Chase Daniel* 12515 2005 2008 Missouri 28 Mason Fine* 12505 2016 2019 North Texas 29 Brent Stockstill* 12483 2014 2018 Middle Tennessee State 30 Trevor Vittatoe* 12439 2007 2010 UTEP 31 Kliff Kingsbury* 12429 1999 2002 Texas Tech 32 Matt Barkley* 12327 2009 2012 USC 33 Jake Browning* 12296 2015 2018 Washington 34 Jared Goff* 12195 2013 2015 California 35 Drew Lock* 12193 2015 2018 Missouri 36 Zach Terrell* 12100 2013 2016 Western Michigan 37 Zac Dysert* 12013 2009 2012 Miami (OH) 38 Nick Mullens* 11994 2013 2016 Southern Mississippi 39 Shane Carden* 11991 2012 2014 East Carolina 40 Tajh Boyd* 1190 Well, according to you, these top 40 college QBs are guaranteed NFL franchise QBs. Go ahead, defend the chart! Source: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-yds-player-career.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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