Has there been a QB in recent memory with more Bulletin Board material than Josh?

[78thealltimegreat]

I’ve been going through the years and I can’t remember a qb who has literally been trashed more then this guy yet is somehow successful heck even Josh Rosen who is almost out the league has gotten better publicity...just strange 

Edited April 30, 2020 by 78thealltimegreat

[FireChans]

Yeah. EJM got crushed. Tyrod got crushed. Fitz got crushed. Trentative got crushed. Losman got crushed.

 

I remember all of them. They all got trashed more than Josh.

[MJS]

If you play QB, you get trash thrown at you constantly. Doesn't even matter what team you play for. They all get trashed until they become elite, and even THEN you have detractors.

[skibum]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah. EJM got crushed. Tyrod got crushed. Fitz got crushed. Trentative got crushed. Losman got crushed.

 

I remember all of them. They all got trashed more than Josh.

You forgot Peterman. 

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, skibum said:

You forgot Peterman. 

Oh yeah. No one EVER made fun of that guy. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah. EJM got crushed. Tyrod got crushed. Fitz got crushed. Trentative got crushed. Losman got crushed.

 

I remember all of them. They all got trashed more than Josh.

I was going to say this ..  every bills qb ever

[LABILLBACKER]

Pundits and prognosticators predicted he would suck and be an accuracy train wreck. So far this "work in progress" is proving them wrong. 

[TwistofFate]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Pundits and prognosticators predicted he would suck and be an accuracy train wreck. So far this "work in progress" is proving them wrong. 

Not really. 

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/12/nfl-bills-josh-allen-stats-film-study/amp

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Not really. 

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/12/nfl-bills-josh-allen-stats-film-study/amp

USA Today...

[Hampton Josh fan]

aWhy would anyone criticize a young QB after 2 years. The ideal situation is to sit a guy for a year and surround him with weapons and a decent o-line year 2. We got a playoff birth despite having a below average receiving Corp in year 2. The people that jump on JA17 are understandably skeptical because our management has given them names like Losman,Edwards, EJ.,Rob Johnson, Fitz etc. I'm a big fan of the kid, but he gives me more hope than anyone since Kelly. He has a big arm, great legs and the team respects his leadership. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

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[Meatloaf63]

54 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah. EJM got crushed. Tyrod got crushed. Fitz got crushed. Trentative got crushed. Losman got crushed.

 

I remember all of them. They all got trashed more than Josh.

Nope, nobody has had every play scrutinized as  bad As Josh. They all got bashed, but this is a whole new level.

[Augie]

It seems to me a lot of people are actually encouraged by what Allen has shown so far as a pro. Cowherd, Schein, etc have been vocally positive about him. The whiners are.....just that.

 

Does he have a way to go? Of course, but I am pleased with his progress and so are many others. 

 

EDIT: I’d be very curious to see where Josh Rosen is getting better publicity. This sounds like trying to make an argument by creating your own “facts”. 

 

 

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Edited May 1, 2020 by Augie

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Nope, nobody has had every play scrutinized as  bad As Josh. They all got bashed, but this is a whole new level.

Nah, all those other dudes got brutalized. They were walking punchlines. You are suffering from recency bias.

[TwistofFate]

13 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

USA Today...

It doesn't change the facts and the data. 

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Nah, all those other dudes got brutalized. They were walking punchlines. You are suffering from recency bias.

Yea, back in the days of the old buffalo bills message board. 

 

It was the wild west and players and coaches alike were brutalized. 

 

Good times though, i miss that board. 

[billsfan89]

People were legit saying Lamar Jackson will need to switch positions. 

[Meatloaf63]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Nah, all those other dudes got brutalized. They were walking punchlines. You are suffering from recency bias.

Maybe, maybe not, seems everyone takes things to the extreme these days. Hard to prove it either way...

[Nanker]

Than. 
 

First today, then tomorrow. 
 

I’d rather have catsup on my fries than mayonnaise. 

[Doc Brown]

Most thought Allen was the poster child for prototypical bust that they saw in players like Jamarcus Russell and Blaine Gabbert.  Big arm that wowed at the combine that didn't translate onto the field.  They're just mad they were wrong up to this point.  Daniel Jones is also a QB the media couldn't wait to see fail.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Doc Brown

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

aWhy would anyone criticize a young QB after 2 years. The ideal situation is to sit a guy for a year and surround him with weapons and a decent o-line year 2. We got a playoff birth despite having a below average receiving Corp in year 2. The people that jump on JA17 are understandably skeptical because our management has given them names like Losman,Edwards, EJ.,Rob Johnson, Fitz etc. I'm a big fan of the kid, but he gives me more hope than anyone since Kelly. He has a big arm, great legs and the team respects his leadership. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

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Don't forget Flutie.  He was awesome when he played.  But I get your point.  I am in complete agreement with you on Josh Allen!!

[Rc2catch]

Allen doesn’t catch anymore crap than previous quarterbacks. They all get beat up on here. As mentioned earlier Baltimore fans wanted Lamar ran out of town after playoff game 1 or switched to another position and boom the guy is mvp. Josh gets his fair share of fair and unfair criticism on here but it’s not worse than former quarterbacks since josh has a lot more support from fans so far. 
On here there’s always gonna be 5-6 trolls who hate him cause it messed up their mock and the wanted mayfield or Rosen or Darnold cause ya know they look so much better. 
Nationally the media basically goes off a stat page, and josh doesn’t always look good there throwing for 175- 270 yards and it’s not flashy like other quarterbacks 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

If you play QB, you get trash thrown at you constantly. Doesn't even matter what team you play for. They all get trashed until they become elite, and even THEN you have detractors.

 

Sure players will get trashed by their own fans and media personality who staked their football evaluation ability on who to draft and have become trolls trying to double down.

[HOUSE]

To many of the so called experts trashed him before the draft and now the egos are hurting.

So far, they are idiots

[Hampton Josh fan]

58 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Don't forget Flutie.  He was awesome when he played.  But I get your point.  I am in complete agreement with you on Josh Allen!!

I didn't mention Flutie because he was actually good and fun to watch. However, they imbecilicly replaced  him for Music City Miracle. Johnson probably had the best game of his career. 

[Mr. WEO]

#threadfail

[Hampton Josh fan]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Don't forget Flutie.  He was awesome when he played.  But I get your point.  I am in complete agreement with you on Josh Allen!!

 

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Don't forget Flutie.  He was awesome when he played.  But I get your point.  I am in complete agreement with you on Josh Allen!!

Couldn't mention Flutie, he was the exception. I loved that guy. Bitterly disappointed when they pulled him for Johnson. Who knew he would have the game of his career.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Maybe, maybe not, seems everyone takes things to the extreme these days. Hard to prove it either way...

That’s the beauty of the internet. A topic about the “over the top” criticism of EJ.

 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

I didn't mention Flutie because he was actually good and fun to watch. However, they imbecilicly replaced  him for Music City Miracle. Johnson probably had the best game of his career. 

That was a very sad ending that day.  I was at the game.  Two really two hard nosed teams.  That was still the old NFL when defenses put a beat down on you.  Bills had great LB's back then.  Sam Rogers Keith Newman John Holocek Sam Cowart.  Bruce was still good after 15 years.  Phil Hanson was still around.  It was pretty cold that day in Nashville.  Damp drizzly and dreary.  But I remember partying early in the morning in the cold w my ex wife and buddies in a parking lot.  Lots of beer and donuts.  We met some Bills fans from Corpus Christie, Texas.  Had driven all the way up for the game.  The field was all tore up.  Titans had McNair Eddie George Frank Wychek.  Javon Kearse.  Just a bunch of warriors. 

 

Flutie was good.  For all you youngsters on here.  Flutie was awesome.  So much fun and so exciting.  He was a leader.  Brought the team back to life in 98 two years after Jimbo retired.  Loved that guy!   

[Mango]

This is homer-ism at its finest. Even most national pundits are expecting improved things from the Bills. 
 

But to answer your question, yes. Even this year Cam Newton is trashed all the time. Trubinsky is on his last leg in Chicago. Chad Kelly gets pooped on. Everybody thought Ryan Mallet was on meth Ryan Leaf...woof. Even in his own draft class, Baker Mayfield creates a crap storm around him. 
 

JOSH ALLEN IS NOT A MARTYR 

 

Edit: add Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins to the list. 

Edited May 1, 2020 by Mango
Dumb dumb

[Rico]

I really don't see it at all with Josh, but then again I don't pay any of his detractors (except for CBiscuit97 cause he's funny ).

 

I just look at his sky-high ceiling, his unlimited potential, his winning intangibles, his rapid improvement, and I smile.

[Billl]

48 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That’s the beauty of the internet. A topic about the “over the top” criticism of EJ.

 

 

And everyone’s blaming the OC.  Sun rises, sun sets...

[Rico]

51 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That’s the beauty of the internet. A topic about the “over the top” criticism of EJ.

 

 

I love TSW Archives! There is GOLD to be found there!

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

That’s the beauty of the internet. A topic about the “over the top” criticism of EJ.

 

 

Thinking back I had the NFL ticket back then and now that I don’t, I’m more apt to follow the game day thread, that’s where the Allen hate was / is downright brutal. It probably was the same for EJ, I just didn’t follow it then....

[Inigo Montoya]

With the exception of the quartet on GMFB, none of the pundits in the national sports media pay any attention to the Bills.  I listen to these “experts” discussing the Bills on TV and if they aren’t factually wrong about something, then they are simply repeating the same unsubstantiated opinion they heard or read someone else have about the Bills.

 

The sports media is lazy and makes no effort to have an informed opinion about the Bills.  Their coverage of Allen is simply a reflection of that laziness.

[Bill from NYC]

14 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I’ve been going through the years and I can’t remember a qb who has literally been trashed more then this guy yet is somehow successful heck even Josh Rosen who is almost out the league has gotten better publicity...just strange 

I guess you weren't around for Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, EJ Manuel or even Flutie.

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Thinking back I had the NFL ticket back then and now that I don’t, I’m more apt to follow the game day thread, that’s where the Allen hate was / is downright brutal. It probably was the same for EJ, I just didn’t follow it then....

I am missing most of the "Allen hate,"  and the hate that does exist I don't even understand. The kid has unlimited talent. He is from a small school and needs to develop a bit more. So what?

My choice for QB in 2018 was:

Darnold

Allen

Mayfield

Rosen

 

It looks to me that Allen will soon be better than Darnold. We shall see.

 

 

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Was supposed to be the biggest “project” qb in 2018’s draft.

Had to start almost right away.

had flashes of brilliance and finished the year 5-5 as a starter/finisher on a terrible team.

2019 Got better talent.

improved as a leader.

improved td passes.

improves accuracy.

improved about 30 tds running and passing.
has at least 4 fourth quarter comebacks, including opening day, and could have another if not injured in the Pats game.
Leads team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record in his second year.

 

media:  “Josh what’s next for you, suicide, or is simple retirement on your radar for being an abject failure?  Oh, and one more thing, do you think the Bills should trade for Rosen?”

Edited May 1, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts

[Hampton Josh fan]

8 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

That was a very sad ending that day.  I was at the game.  Two really two hard nosed teams.  That was still the old NFL when defenses put a beat down on you.  Bills had great LB's back then.  Sam Rogers Keith Newman John Holocek Sam Cowart.  Bruce was still good after 15 years.  Phil Hanson was still around.  It was pretty cold that day in Nashville.  Damp drizzly and dreary.  But I remember partying early in the morning in the cold w my ex wife and buddies in a parking lot.  Lots of beer and donuts.  We met some Bills fans from Corpus Christie, Texas.  Had driven all the way up for the game.  The field was all tore up.  Titans had McNair Eddie George Frank Wychek.  Javon Kearse.  Just a bunch of warriors. 

 

Flutie was good.  For all you youngsters on here.  Flutie was awesome.  So much fun and so exciting.  He was a leader.  Brought the team back to life in 98 two years after Jimbo retired.  Loved that guy!   

What a testimony to the awesomeness of being a great fan and seeing an event that is a standard for the NFL capturing the imagination of all sports fans. I dream of going to a venue with my son and grandson and sharing an experience like that. 

[Meatloaf63]

56 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am missing most of the "Allen hate,"  and the hate that does exist I don't even understand. The kid has unlimited talent. He is from a small school and needs to develop a bit more. So what?

My choice for QB in 2018 was:

Darnold

Allen

Mayfield

Rosen

 

It looks to me that Allen will soon be better than Darnold. We shall see.

 

 

 

 

If you ever followed a game day thread you would see the insanity. We have our normal detractors, but on game day it goes to a whole new level...

5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

If you ever followed a game day thread you would see the insanity. We have our normal detractors, but on game day it goes to a whole new level...

And there is still this....

 

675
GREGGTX

 

Posted 13 hours ago

We'd be a better team right now with Dalton at QB, but it's not happening.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Meatloaf63

[soflabillsfan1]

15 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah. EJM got crushed. Tyrod got crushed. Fitz got crushed. Trentative got crushed. Losman got crushed.

 

I remember all of them. They all got trashed more than Josh.

Not even close to what Josh Allen has gotten from the media.  No one even cared enough about the other guys you listed.  Tyrod gets talked up by most media guys.  

[eball]

15 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah. EJM got crushed. Tyrod got crushed. Fitz got crushed. Trentative got crushed. Losman got crushed.

 

I remember all of them. They all got trashed more than Josh.

 

You have a poor memory.  None of the QBs mentioned were top 10 draft picks, and all were justifiably critiqued for their play on the field.  Most were "propped up" or at least given the benefit of the doubt before reality could not be ignored.

 

Allen, by contrast, has been bashed incessantly since he was drafted -- before he took one step on an NFL field many labeled him a certain bust.  Then, despite huge improvements in key areas last season, nearly every write up about the 2020 Bills lists Allen as the biggest question mark and/or reason the Bills won't advance farther.

 

It's like night and day.