Logic Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 This pick gave me major deja vu: 1st round QB JP Losman (athletic, big arm, questionable accuracy). Bills draft Trent Edwards (slow, noodle arm, great accuracy and intangibles). 1st round QB Josh Allen (athletic, big arm, questionable accuracy). Bills draft Jake Fromm (slow, noodle arm, great accuracy and intangibles). Will history repeat? I like the pick, by the way. Great value in the 5th, and you should ALWAYS get young QBs into the pipeline and keep churning that position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: More chances to throw brutal picks and lose in the CFB playoff? Wonderful. Does Braxton Miller have eligibility left? People love their Big Ten guys around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If you want to place a wager, I will bet you every single dime that I own that Justin Fields is drafted before the 5th round. If you believe what you are spitting out here stand behind it That’s just why you’re so mad at Fromm dude. It’s not his fault Fields got waxed by Clemson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 If he's the second coming of Chad Pennington I'll live with it. Before Pennington's noodle arm gave out he was a really good football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Just watching Fromm highlights and the Barkley comparison is spot on. Both Barkley and Fromm have really nice 20-yard touch throws. That’s something that JA could hopefully learn from them! excited to see if he can develop into a player! Yeah. Fromm might end up never making it past the practice squad, or he might become a decent backup. I don’t understand the people who are bent out of shape because “he stinks”. If he doesn’t pan out, that’s fine. It’s worth taking a guy who could become your future backup. I don’t understand how anyone could be upset with the pick, regardless of what you think of Fromm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Peterman part deux? Peterman part trois. We already have Peterman part deux. Merde!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmond_Bills Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Protocal69 said: That’s 2 picks I predicted correctly while the Bills were on the clock. (Espinosa, Fromm) If you picked Espinosa, you were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, FireChans said: That’s just why you’re so mad at Fromm dude. It’s not his fault Fields got waxed by Clemson. Waxed? I don’t remember Fromm in the playoff this year? Again, if you believe what you are saying than feel free to make the wager and you can even name the stakes. I suspect that you are talking out of your backside which is why you won’t stand behind what you are saying. You know that I’m right on this so we are good. Edited April 25, 2020 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Isn't there some new CBA third QB on game day roster element? Did they put that in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Waxed? I don’t remember Fromm in the playoff this year? Again, if you believe what you are saying than feel free to make the wager and you can even name the stakes. I suspect that you are taking out of your backside which is why you won’t stand behind what you are saying. You know that I’m right on this so we are good. Maybe Cardale will come back now that the XFL folded so we can get some winning QB’s on that OSU roster. Edited April 25, 2020 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, Logic said: This pick gave me major deja vu: 1st round QB JP Losman (athletic, big arm, questionable accuracy). Bills draft Trent Edwards (slow, noodle arm, great accuracy and intangibles). 1st round QB Josh Allen (athletic, big arm, questionable accuracy). Bills draft Jake Fromm (slow, noodle arm, great accuracy and intangibles). Will history repeat? I like the pick, by the way. Great value in the 5th, and you should ALWAYS get young QBs into the pipeline and keep churning that position. JP Losman doesn't have 1/10 of the talent that Allen has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Maybe Cardale will come back now that the XFL folded so we can get some winning QB’s on that OSU roster. There go the goalposts moving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: That's a huge compliment coming from you. Thanks! Your welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 So much angst over a backup QB.. This guy was drafted with the goal he will never see the field... and everyone already hates his guts? Just a few years ago people wanted them to draft 43 QB's every year. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Fromm's a bit of a head-scratcher........you really couldn't have 2 distinctive QB's from each other than Fromm and Allen. I really don't know how i feel about this pick.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 It’s the Pegluas ploy to lure State Farm to pay big money for naming rights to the new stadium. At QB , Jake Fromm State Farm Field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, VW82 said: I like it. Seemingly good value in the 5th and gives McBeane a plan b if Josh doesn’t pan out. If Allen doesn't pan out then McDermott and Beane are most likely gone, IMO. This is one of those cases where there is no plan B, there is only plan A. And they need to do everything to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I like the pick... more insurance just in case for Allen And if allen develops fully and fromm shows promise then we unload him for a 1st or a 2nd down the road. Just now, vincec said: If Allen doesn't pan out then McDermott and Beane are most likely gone, IMO. This is one of those cases where there is no plan B, there is only plan A. And they need to do everything to make it work. Beane and McDermott arent getting fired if Allen doesnt work out... Beane has created a top 5 roster and managed the cap beautifully McDermott 2 playoff appearances in 3 years without top talent on offense Both seats are ice cold regardless of allen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, BillsInMaine said: Fromm is awful Im a Georgia alum and season ticket holder. He’s not awful but he’s an awful fit in Buffalo. His arm isn’t good enough to play at new era field and he has really small hands. He could be a good back up for a dome or southern team but not here. Love our draft but that’s a bad pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Ball velocity is probably the least accurate stat, if you can even call it that. There are endless examples of guys with lousy arms throwing mph as hard as guys with huge arms. Every year at the combine. It's worthless. Gee, you should figure this out. Think about baseball. Any pitcher can rear back and throw 15 mph above his usual fastball speed. Nobody knows where the ball is going to go. Throwing just for the radar gun is different than getting the ball to the reciever or dropping it over the LB and into the basket of the WR. You can NO throw that at 100 miles an hour. If you look at the videos of this guy, he completes a lot of long passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 A guy with a 2nd/3rd round grade in the 5th. Hope he develops into a solid backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, vincec said: If Allen doesn't pan out then McDermott and Beane are most likely gone, IMO. This is one of those cases where there is no plan B, there is only plan A. And they need to do everything to make it work. I highly disagree. Playoff appearances during a rebuild, great drafting and signings, complete culture change...and you wanna dump them because one player doesn't pan out? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jerboski said: I like the pick... more insurance just in case for Allen And if allen develops fully and fromm shows promise then we unload him for a 1st or a 2nd down the road. Beane and McDermott arent getting fired if Allen doesnt work out... Beane has created a top 5 roster and managed the cap beautifully McDermott 2 playoff appearances in 3 years without top talent on offense Both seats are ice cold regardless of allen Expectations are rising and just making the playoffs isn't going to be good for much longer. They need their QB to pan out. Edited April 25, 2020 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I do agree here and actually think Fromm can fill that role. I went with gross because I knew that we’d have some people talking about him being better than Josh!! Ha ha, he is a career backup and could fill that role. He lacks physical talent though. I see a lot of Fromm. I think he will have a long career (injuries excepted) as an NFL backup. Intelligent and accurate. Can read defenses. Rag arm for downfield passes. Now, in no way am I equating the two, but wan't Brady considered to have a bit of a rag arm when he was drafted? I know he had no deep ball then. Maybe he can teach Allen some things, and Allen can teach him a few. Not expecting him to be a mad bomber or anything. But you are right, Josh is WAY more talented. Or maybe the Bills can get something for him down the line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, vincec said: Expectations are rising and just making the playoffs isn't going to be good for much longer. They need their QB to pay out. Why would we fire the HC who has delivered 2 playoffs with subpar talent and a GM who finally shown good decision making and has shown an ability to draft well... just because they miss on one QB who was always viewed as a high risk - high reward pick I get it if they have 3 straight terrible seasons but to act like they are going to be canned if Allen doesn't succeed is crazy to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I love this pick. Liked him since he started at Georgia. I know he has arm strength issues, but he should the Frank to our Jim. Great value and happy he's with us. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: I highly disagree. Playoff appearances during a rebuild, great drafting and signings, complete culture change...and you wanna dump them because one player doesn't pan out? Makes no sense. Add in Allen was never viewed as a cant miss prospect, everyone including the Bill's knew it was going to be a gamble but one worth taking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: I love this pick. Liked him since he started at Georgia. I know he has arm strength issues, but he should the Frank to our Jim. Great value and happy he's with us. That's pretty much the analogy I've been using. Now, given this season's unique situation, he may not be able to be the #2 right out of the gate, this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 The people who are complaining are the same ones who would complain if Josh got hurt and we had no backup plan in a playoff year. Its a 5th round pick and he has lots of upside. There’s literally zero reason to dislike this pick. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Watching him, he certainly doesn’t have a plus fastball but I’m also not seeing his arm strength as a liability. He doesn’t look like Chad Pennington to me. Not saying that I saw a lot of him but it seems to me like he can play in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: The people who are complaining are the same ones who would complain if Josh got hurt and we had no backup plan in a playoff year. Its a 5th round pick and he has lots of upside. There’s literally zero reason to dislike this pick. Except for not being physically capable of playing the position in the NFL? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Beane and McDermott arent getting fired if Allen doesnt work out... Beane has created a top 5 roster and managed the cap beautifully McDermott 2 playoff appearances in 3 years without top talent on offense Both seats are ice cold regardless of allen I would certainly hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Except for not being physically capable of playing the position in the NFL? He was physically capable of playing against the SEC and performing well. They said the same thing about Tom Brady and Chad Pennington. Chill out and just enjoy a solid draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Gee, you should figure this out. Think about baseball. Any pitcher can rear back and throw 15 mph above his usual fastball speed. Nobody knows where the ball is going to go. Throwing just for the radar gun is different than getting the ball to the reciever or dropping it over the LB and into the basket of the WR. You can NO throw that at 100 miles an hour. If you look at the videos of this guy, he completes a lot of long passes. As a Georgia alum I can’t stress enough how big of a disaster he’d be as our QB at new era field. But hey, if he gets to make a road start in a dome he could play well enough to win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Anyone who has Netflix and wants a deep dive into Jake Fromm, Watch QB1: Beyond the Lights (Season 1) The show follows 3 high-senior QB's throughout their last year in HS. 1 of the QBs was a then 18 year old Jake Fromm. I've been a huge fan if his since watching the show 3 years ago. A real alpha, dude really impressed me. I actually jumped off the couch in excitement when I saw the Bills picked him. I think hes going to be a good NFL QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Fender said: As a Georgia alum I can’t stress enough how big of a disaster he’d be as our QB at new era field. But hey, if he gets to make a road start in a dome he could play well enough to win. I always respect and appreciate local knowledge on this board, but this seems like hyperbole. Edited April 25, 2020 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hampton Josh fan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I think Jake can be coached up to be a competent backup and manager. He's cool under pressure and has faced top competition and could have won a championship if things broke right. His arm strength is a problem especially in northeast stadiums with wind but he doesn't turn it over. If he can be insulated from having to win games with his arm ,I think he can guide us to wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Over 63% career completion 8.4 yards per attempt on career 156 career Qb rating 3 year starter What's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, mannc said: I always respect and appreciate local knowledge on this board, but this seems like hyperbole. He doesn’t have the arm to throw in that wind and he has really small hands. Asking him to play in those winters won’t work out well. Overall I love our draft. I’ve been a die hard Bills fan since 1990. I just can’t imagine how anyone thought he’d be a good fit. He’s Barkley 2.0. He’ll help Allen tho. He has a ridiculously high football IQ. At the elite 11 he correct his coach on a play the 2nd day of practice. He learned the playbook in one day. He’s not great with post snap reads but he’s really good pre snap. That should help Allen I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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