Ya Digg? Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, mannc said: He’s not talking about moving up. I think he’s talking about keeping 54 and buying one of the first 5 picks this afternoon. That’s a fair trade. But it’s not even close to a fair trade. You are trading a first round pick for a second round pick. Even if you just take a look at a couple of the lists that have been posted on here, these lists are 20 guys long-that tells me there isn’t that ONE guy who the bills have to have. Plus it keeps getting mentioned that the Bills really don’t have a NEED anywhere. So again I have to disagree, not a fair deal at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, jkx2 said: If you feel the Bills will be a playoff team next year and therefore will draft again in the bottom part of the draft again next year. Would you give up next years 1st to be in the top 5 of today's 2nd round. It would give us one more piece this year and is there really a big difference in the bottom of the 1st and beginning of the 2nd? No, but I would give up this year’s 2nd for a 1st next year depending on who falls to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Most likely not. One variable to look at is the quality of next year's draft. That was one positive of giving up a #1 for Watkins, the 2015 draft was not very good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 [This is an automated response] As a courtesy to the other board members, please use more descriptive topic titles. A better title will help the community find information faster and make your topic more likely to be read. The topic starter can edit the topic title line to make it more appropriate. Thank you. 1 hour ago, jkx2 said: If you feel the Bills will be a playoff team next year and therefore will draft again in the bottom part of the draft again next year. Would you give up next years 1st to be in the top 5 of today's 2nd round. It would give us one more piece this year and is there really a big difference in the bottom of the 1st and beginning of the 2nd? Fix the thread title and don’t start another nondescript thread. It be da rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, mannc said: OK. But what's wrong with adding an another starter this year? Who's to say that they won't at #54. and then you still have your 2021 first rounder. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Buddo said: No. Apart from anything else, we don't know if there will be a season yet. I think that's a serious consideration that has to be factored in. Its not hard to imagine the season being lost in which case I guess they would draft #22 again with the players being underclassmen who's video is all from this past season. Maybe it would be worth making a trade like that if you have a high enough grade on someone who will go in the top 5 tonight??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, mannc said: He’s not talking about moving up. I think he’s talking about keeping 54 and buying one of the first 5 picks this afternoon. That’s a fair trade. ahhh, ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: Who's to say that they won't at #54. and then you still have your 2021 first rounder. . But under the scenario posed by the OP, they are keeping 54 and trading next year's first for an early second this year. So theoretically, they are adding two starters this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Too much risk if season goes south due to injuries/unforeseen circumstances for me to pull the trigger on such a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, freddyjj said: This is ludicrous. To move to # 38 pick would only cost us 54 and 86 in this years draft. Why offer 54 and next year's 1 (which would be worth mid 2nd rd this year) - serious overpay. IMHO some great players will fall to us at 54. I don't think he's talking about trading 54 and next year's first for #38. He's talking about next years first for 38, and keeping 54 this year. That's a fair trade. I'm just not sure any teams picking early second this year would do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mannc said: But under the scenario posed by the OP, they are keeping 54 and trading next year's first for an early second this year. So theoretically, they are adding two starters this year. And as my original post stated, very unlikely to add one next year. No picks in first 60. (likely) . Edited April 24, 2020 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, B-Man said: And as my original post stated, very unlikely to add one next year. No picks in first 60. likely) . You're not making sense. Why is it better to add one new starter this year and one next year, than two new starters this year? And why is it likely they will add a starter this year with pick 54, but not one with their second round pick next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Only if there are two and no older than 19, a gallon of Kama sutra oil, and the residents is the castle anthrax... then, and only then would I be willing to face my peril... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkx2 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 59 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Only if there are two and no older than 19, a gallon of Kama sutra oil, and the residents is the castle anthrax... then, and only then would I be willing to face my peril... Alright... good luck in rehab and kicking that meth problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, jkx2 said: Alright... good luck in rehab and kicking that meth problem. It’s a Monty Python reference for those who don’t know... a movie called the Holy Grail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 No because our roster is deep enough that we can compete for a Super Bowl now without jeopardizing our future. There's too many unknowns. Injury problems, drop off in QB play, and/or a tougher schedule may land us a top 15 pick next year. Plus, we may have to let Dawkins or Millano leave if they're overvalued on the free agent market. I also wouldn't include Dalton in the trade as giving up a 4th rounder and 17 million plus is too much to pay a backup QB who may not be thrilled to be Josh Allen's backup. The Bengals may just release him if they can't find a trading partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 OP...you revise your proposal and all it does is make all the responses even more confusing. ...and it’s still a NO for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Absolutely 100% not!!! Keep in mind, if for some reason there is no season this year, which we all obviously pray is not the case, draft seeding next year will likely be a lottery. (Meaning a 1 in 32 chance to have the #1 pick) Edited April 24, 2020 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkx2 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: It’s a Monty Python reference for those who don’t know... a movie called the Holy Grail... I know the movie well you silly English kaniget!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 No. There is enough talent on this team to win now if Allen gets better. A RB and edge depth players will help but there is no need to mortgage the future for these positions. But the only players that really would make a difference in the next season are Newton, Winston, and maybe Dalton if he is available. They are the only players that could step in for Allen if he falters and get this team into the playoffs and a deep run in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: JK, good question and I know you’re trying to help and keep the conversation going, but that is the problem with previous administrations. Too much quick fixes. Not piling on bud and glad you’re on the board. Think the long game and this administration more than any in over 20 years is doing just that. Look at their free agency acquisitions the last three years, jettisons (yes I know Beane wasn’t officially here, but they fired Whaley the day after the draft, and Beane really was involved in it as he was hired immediately after the draft). They are picking up players to fit needs, but making dumb decisions in spending in FA, and the draft is about making it easy to pick the right guys. Again, the long game. The Pegulas must have been impressed with them enough to give them free reign to build a team the right way. If we do this right, we could be a contender for not just this year, but many years to come. Until they prove me wrong they haven’t. Hey, no worries on the question at all. It was a good one. I as well as some of my friends on this board maybe, not definitely have seen a couple more pitches. Not into short fixes. Hope you guys are well up there as I heard there was a little snow. If it makes you guys feel better n FL, we have tornadoes, 60 mph gusts, and crappy weather. Heres to all of us this in the morning enjoying a great Saturday morning after tonight. MGK - I am an hour south of you and yeah today has been a head scratcher for sure. I will take THIS crappy weather for a day over snow for 5+ months ANYDAY! Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 hours ago, jkx2 said: If you feel the Bills will be at least a playoff team next year and therefore will draft again in the bottom part of the draft again next year. Would you give up next years 1st plus this years 4th to Bengals for #33 today and Andy Dalton. While Dalton wants to start there are few spots left and big name free agent QBs available. There are guys with 1st round grades st pass rusher, running and wide receiver out there. Any takers now? Out of curiosity, what player would you want them to take with that pick if they made that trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Oh and no - I wouldn't do the trade. No effing way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Still no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Still no. Why not? According to some reports, this is the deepest second round in a long time--20 or more players with first-round grades available. Wouldn't you rather have your pick of those guys--and have him in uniform for 2020--than have to wait for 2021, for a pick that will probably be at the tail end of the first round? The Bills could pick up two guys in this year's second round who would help the team immediately. It's not an idea that should be dismissed out of hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff1954 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Good question but no. The season ultimately comes down to Allen. We have a really hard projected schedule. If Allen steps up, all will be well. If Allen doesn’t step up, we could find ourselves picking high next year and I would like to give Beane another shot at choosing at quarterback in that circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Someone is quarantined in Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkx2 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Out of curiosity, what player would you want them to take with that pick if they made that trade? D'Andre Swift Laviska Shenaul A.J. Epenesa Jonathan Taylor I like these players in that order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 No, unless it is a marginal trade up of a few spots that maybe costs a 5th round pick I want to see McBeane just let the draft come to them and add as much youth to the roster as possible. Yes the Bills don't have any glaring starting caliber needs. BUT they do have a lot of places where they need to get younger or deeper. CB, RB, Safety, LB, DE, and WR are all spots on the roster where you need depth or role players. I don't want to see this team burn through its future and sustainability just to chase this season. Not only do I think that's not a good philosophy to keep the window of winning open for 2021 and beyond BUT if this team wants to win in 2020 it needs to add some depth and role players. Long Story short this team is better served long term and short term by keeping as many draft picks as possible and drafting depth and role players who could turn into starters long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Move up to select who? Every year there are trade up or trade down threads that never address the fundamental question of why and for what. Agreed. Just agreed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Hell. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Manther said: Agreed. Just agreed..... No one is talking about moving up. The discussion is about trading next year’s first for an early second this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 1st and 4th this and next year Edited April 24, 2020 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I would never trade that pick. Next offseason you could trade that pick for a top player the way trades have been trending up. So trade next years first rounder for an unproven rookie this year, or just for fun let’s say trade it for Khalil Mack next year? Premier players are being traded left and right and I’d rather the guarantee production vs the hopeful production a rookie brings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I would do it in the right scenario. That scenario would be a top 10 overall talent falling to #33. That player isn't available "on the clock". I would not make the trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 No. Primarily because I don't want Dalton and I want our 4th rounder. If you told me that our 2021 1st and one of our 6ths got us just pick 33 or pick 34 from the colts I'd definitely consider it, as there are a handful of guys available right now that I'd expect to be 1st rounders next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Manther said: I would do it in the right scenario. That scenario would be a top 10 overall talent falling to #33. That player isn't available "on the clock". I would not make the trade up. No one is talking about a “trade up”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Giving away a 1st round pick for a 1:1 trade “down” essentially. That ain’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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