I think the Bills are done with Free-Agency until after the Draft.

[MAJBobby]

I think most of their signings are done, reason being we currently have 69 on contract, with 7 draft picks, that would bring the total to 78 players.  

 

That puts the Bills with at 14 spots after the draft to get to 90, that is right in line with Historically the number of UDFA that they typically bring in.  

 

Now they could likely add some more 1 year deals, but I think they will wait until after the draft and see what shakes out at this point.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

I don't. Beane said yesterday he might go after a couple guys whose value has dropped... I'm thinking that means bigger-name guys who didn't get what they were looking for... Hmm...

[Logic]

He'll sign a couple more one-year, vet minimum types.

I'm thinking a backup offensive lineman and a running back.

[JustWinPlease]

14 UDFA's is a lot...they don't typically bring that many to camp, it's usually more like 8-10 guys.

I think they should look into the remaining free agents, I'd rather have them than UDFA's who don't stand a chance of making this roster.

Meanwhile, Everson Griffen and Devonta Freeman could walk in as starters right now. (And both would be cheap.)

Edited April 3, 2020 by JustWinPlease

[IgotBILLStopay]

Ngakoue or Clowney are still in play. We have the cap space for either of them. Jacksonville might be willing to take two second rounders (this year and next) or a conditional first next year along with Trent Murphy for Ngakoue. 

 

Ngakoue's trade market is drying up - all his obvious suitors (Eagles, Jets, Seahawks)  have cap constraints. Titans appear to be the only team which can compete with the Bills. But they run a base 3-4 - not sure how Ngakoue will do in that. Also, Jags' OC (Jay Gruden) coached Murphy while with the Redskins and was very complimentary of Murphy even when the latter was suspended. So I am still keeping fingers crossed on Ngakoue.

 

 

[First Round Bust]

I think we will add a vet running back at some point  as I do like Lamar Miller as he is coming off ACL tear last Aug and also D Freeman and Carlos Hyde is also out there...the price drops as the days go by I assume...

[Don Otreply]

You can never tell what the wizard is gonna do, all options are open all the time with Beane. Every time I think he’s done, he’s not. 
 

Go Bills!!!

Edited April 3, 2020 by Don Otreply

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

I think most of their signings are done, reason being we currently have 69 on contract, with 7 draft picks, that would bring the total to 78 players.  

 

That puts the Bills with at 14 spots after the draft to get to 90, that is right in line with Historically the number of UDFA that they typically bring in.  

 

Now they could likely add some more 1 year deals, but I think they will wait until after the draft and see what shakes out at this point.

Of course that's if the Bills use all of their draft picks, but I wouldn't be surprised if Beane at some point attempts to trade up for another 3rd or 4th round pick.

 

Even if they did use all of their picks, that is a lot of UDFA's to sign.

 

I don't think Beane is quite finished yet with free agency. Let's wait and see.

[Adam]

1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Ngakoue or Clowney are still in play. We have the cap space for either of them. Jacksonville might be willing to take two second rounders (this year and next) or a conditional first next year along with Trent Murphy for Ngakoue. 

 

Ngakoue's trade market is drying up - all his obvious suitors (Eagles, Jets, Seahawks)  have cap constraints. Titans appear to be the only team which can compete with the Bills. But they run a base 3-4 - not sure how Ngakoue will do in that. Also, Jags' OC (Jay Gruden) coached Murphy while with the Redskins and was very complimentary of Murphy even when the latter was suspended. So I am still keeping fingers crossed on Ngakoue.

 

 

How would this impact cap room for the big pieces we will have to resign shortly- namely Allen and White?

[Cruiserplayer]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

I think most of their signings are done, reason being we currently have 69 on contract, with 7 draft picks, that would bring the total to 78 players.  

 

That puts the Bills with at 14 spots after the draft to get to 90, that is right in line with Historically the number of UDFA that they typically bring in.  

 

Now they could likely add some more 1 year deals, but I think they will wait until after the draft and see what shakes out at this point.

Are these numbers derived from common core math?

[billsfan89]

I was shocked when they signed EJ Gaines and D.Williams as I thought they were done then. But I will agree that I can't see the Bills making any more signings before the draft and I think any singings they make after the draft will be very low key depth signings. As much as I would love an all in move to sign Clowney to a one year deal I don't see it happening. I would love to see them cut Murphy and sign Clowney to a one year deal (I don't think Clowney is a process guy but as a one year mercenary looking for that big payday I think he can work) and then focus the draft on offensive skill position depth and secondary depth. 

[Einstein's Dog]

I think they may  be done until after the draft.   

I think their tenative plan is to get an RB1a in the draft.  This could allow them to replace F Gore's role with Singletary and Singletary's role taken over by the new draft pick.  A young, cheap player for several years with Josh.  

 

If they're able to fill the RB room with a draft pick instead of a vet that frees up cash to go big game hunting on DE - meaning Clowney then Griffen.  

 

If they miss on their targeted RBs, they can pick up a vet in Hyde or Freeman.

 

 I hope they are able to get drafted RB and Clowney!  Problem is, it looks like a couple other teams have the same idea, at least as far as waiting on the vet RB - like Tampa.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills move up in the 3rd round to secure one of the their targeted RBs.

[Doc]

They might be done.  Or they might not be done.

[John from Riverside]

Wait a minute.....Devonte Freeman is still available?

[MrEpsYtown]

To me, Daryl Worley seems like a really obvious add. He was traded from Carolina once McDermott left. A young corner drafted for McDermott’s defense who still has upside. He could challenge Josh Norman this year and potential replace him next year. 

 

Safety wise I feel like they will be in on Tedric Thompson who would be a huge upgrade depth wise. 
 

DL wise tackles like Mike Daniels and Adam Gotsis are still out there. Ofcourse the big fish Clowney is still there, but I wonder if we would re-engage with Ziggy Ansah or pursue Jabal Sheard. 
 

Freeman, Hyde or Miller seem like obvious adds.

 

Higgins is still out there as a wideout. 
 

Linebackers Jake Ryan and Alec Ogeltree could add competition and special teams. 

 

[maryland-bills-fan]

I don't think they will bring in any more FA's until after the draft.  Many teams will take someone at their position during the draft.  Some teams will get a unexpected guy at their position who the thing dropped by 40 picks.  The price to pay will be later after the draft because of less competition.  There might also be good players dropped from somebody's roster during roster cut-downs because of draft picks.

Edited April 3, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[MAJBobby]

3 hours ago, Cruiserplayer said:

Are these numbers derived from common core math?

 I am learning how to teach that now that I am also a Teacher (granted an unpaid one)

[IgotBILLStopay]

3 hours ago, Adam said:

How would this impact cap room for the big pieces we will have to resign shortly- namely Allen and White?

good question. that is the beauty of the contracts beane has handed out. they are front loaded and very little is guaranteed even next year. for exam-le, we have 60 mill + cap space for 2021 AND can get more cap space by cutting ties with Hughes, Poyer, Butler, Addison, Jefferson, even John Brown. Cap wise we are in great shape going forward.

[CommonCents]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Wait a minute.....Devonte Freeman is still available?

He is toast. 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I was shocked when they signed EJ Gaines and D.Williams as I thought they were done then. But I will agree that I can't see the Bills making any more signings before the draft and I think any singings they make after the draft will be very low key depth signings. As much as I would love an all in move to sign Clowney to a one year deal I don't see it happening. I would love to see them cut Murphy and sign Clowney to a one year deal (I don't think Clowney is a process guy but as a one year mercenary looking for that big payday I think he can work) and then focus the draft on offensive skill position depth and secondary depth. 

This.

 

I keep hearing Clowney to the jets on a one year deal.  Why the jets? Why not join this beastly D and make bigger bucks next year?  
 

I think we can make up the 9 mil difference between clowney and Murphy somewhere.
 

If not clowney, Markus Golden.  He’d be perfect in a rotation with Jerry and Mario

[billsfan89]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

This.

 

I keep hearing Clowney to the jets on a one year deal.  Why the jets? Why not join this beastly D and make bigger bucks next year?  
 

I think we can make up the 9 mil difference between clowney and Murphy somewhere.
 

If not clowney, Markus Golden.  He’d be perfect in a rotation with Jerry and Mario

 

According to Spotrac the Bills without EJ Gaines and D.Williams calculated have about 23 million in cap space for the top 51. The Bills do need 5 million for the rookie pool and typically GM's like to have about 8 million for emergency signings. So that only leaves the Bills with about 10 million in "pure" cap space. They could easily cut Trent Murphy for 8 million in space and then Lee Smith for another 1.75 million. Those are the only "easy" cuts on the roster that I see. The rest of the possible cuts would sacrifice depth or more useful role players. 

 

Now that does not factor in D.Williams and EJ Gaines contracts. I doubt Gaines is anything other than the vet minimum. D.Williams could be a deal above the minimum in the 2-3 million range. So assuming a generous 3 million dollar deal for D.Williams (Just to overestimate) that probably leaves the Bills with about 8 million in real cap space. 

 

So the Bills could cut Murphy and Lee Smith and have about 16-17.5 million in cap space to offer Clowney on a one year deal. I think that would be competitive with what a team like the Jets or Cleveland (2 teams with more than 30 million in cap space) could offer. As far as Markus Golden I wouldn't hate it but I think he would be a marginal upgrade over Trent and I would rather draft a DE in round 2 or 3 and roll over the cap space to ease the extensions in 2021. 

[John from Riverside]

36 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

He is toast. 

A lot of these veterans still available mostly are.  It doesnt mean we shouldnt kick the tires especially on offense.....this team needs size at the pass catcher position.

[auburnbillsbacker]

Where does Clowney end up if he doesn't return to Seattle,

[DJB]

[NewEra]

43 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

According to Spotrac the Bills without EJ Gaines and D.Williams calculated have about 23 million in cap space for the top 51. The Bills do need 5 million for the rookie pool and typically GM's like to have about 8 million for emergency signings. So that only leaves the Bills with about 10 million in "pure" cap space. They could easily cut Trent Murphy for 8 million in space and then Lee Smith for another 1.75 million. Those are the only "easy" cuts on the roster that I see. The rest of the possible cuts would sacrifice depth or more useful role players. 

 

Now that does not factor in D.Williams and EJ Gaines contracts. I doubt Gaines is anything other than the vet minimum. D.Williams could be a deal above the minimum in the 2-3 million range. So assuming a generous 3 million dollar deal for D.Williams (Just to overestimate) that probably leaves the Bills with about 8 million in real cap space. 

 

So the Bills could cut Murphy and Lee Smith and have about 16-17.5 million in cap space to offer Clowney on a one year deal. I think that would be competitive with what a team like the Jets or Cleveland (2 teams with more than 30 million in cap space) could offer. As far as Markus Golden I wouldn't hate it but I think he would be a marginal upgrade over Trent and I would rather draft a DE in round 2 or 3 and roll over the cap space to ease the extensions in 2021. 

 

murphy and smith is 10 millish.  Clowney likely 17ish.  7 mill difference.  I want a super bowl, and Clowney can make the biggest difference of any player available.....and we can’t make it happen over 7 mill?  

[Aussie Joe]

Beane never stops looking..

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

 

murphy and smith is 10 millish.  Clowney likely 17ish.  7 mill difference.  I want a super bowl, and Clowney can make the biggest difference of any player available.....and we can’t make it happen over 7 mill?  

 

This is all hypothetical as we don't know if Clowney's price tag is coming down just yet or if he would accept a one year deal at this moment. I agree if the cost of upgrading Trent Murphy's roster spot is 7 million plus Lee Smith I do it. Especially since a one year deal for Clowney doesn't impact the team's cap situation long term beyond a little bit of roll over. 

 

BUT I think the Bills should monitor the situation and wait in the wings with a 18 million dollar one year offer. I would even still consider a DE in round 2 or 3 even if they swap Clowney for Murphy just to get younger a deeper behind the older Hughes and Addision. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

This is all hypothetical as we don't know if Clowney's price tag is coming down just yet or if he would accept a one year deal at this moment. I agree if the cost of upgrading Trent Murphy's roster spot is 7 million plus Lee Smith I do it. Especially since a one year deal for Clowney doesn't impact the team's cap situation long term beyond a little bit of roll over. 

 

BUT I think the Bills should monitor the situation and wait in the wings with a 18 million dollar one year offer. I would even still consider a DE in round 2 or 3 even if they swap Clowney for Murphy just to get younger a deeper behind the older Hughes and Addision. 

Yes, this is a message board.  It’s always hypothetical.  But yes, we agree.  
 

super bowl or bust

[BillsFanForever19]

9 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Ngakoue or Clowney are still in play. We have the cap space for either of them. Jacksonville might be willing to take two second rounders (this year and next) or a conditional first next year along with Trent Murphy for Ngakoue. 

 

Ngakoue's trade market is drying up - all his obvious suitors (Eagles, Jets, Seahawks)  have cap constraints. Titans appear to be the only team which can compete with the Bills. But they run a base 3-4 - not sure how Ngakoue will do in that. Also, Jags' OC (Jay Gruden) coached Murphy while with the Redskins and was very complimentary of Murphy even when the latter was suspended. So I am still keeping fingers crossed on Ngakoue.

 

There is NO WAY they're getting Ngakoue. The cost is a 1st and more. We don't have a first. We're not going to give up next year's first and go two years in a row without one. They're paying both Hughes and Addison starting money to do just that. No way they'd put that much of their salary cap into THREE DE's.

[Sherlock Holmes]

9 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Ngakoue or Clowney are still in play. We have the cap space for either of them. Jacksonville might be willing to take two second rounders (this year and next) or a conditional first next year along with Trent Murphy for Ngakoue. 

 

Ngakoue's trade market is drying up - all his obvious suitors (Eagles, Jets, Seahawks)  have cap constraints. Titans appear to be the only team which can compete with the Bills. But they run a base 3-4 - not sure how Ngakoue will do in that. Also, Jags' OC (Jay Gruden) coached Murphy while with the Redskins and was very complimentary of Murphy even when the latter was suspended. So I am still keeping fingers crossed on Ngakoue.

 

 

Yuck, try to get a top tier player for that much like Joey Bosa

[TigerJ]

I think there are players he's still looking at. I don't think he feels a lot of pressure to move quickly though.

[BuffaloBills1998]

11 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I don't. Beane said yesterday he might go after a couple guys whose value has dropped... I'm thinking that means bigger-name guys who didn't get what they were looking for... Hmm...

Clowney?

[hjnick]

14 hours ago, Logic said:

He'll sign a couple more one-year, vet minimum types.

I'm thinking a backup offensive lineman and a running back.

ppl he can trade away and get some more 5,6,7th round picks for next year.

[Adam]

I'm not sure I'd go all in on Clowney. He has a high ceiling, but never has gotten out of the basement in production

[njbuff]

McBeane are never done trying to improve this team.

 

We should all know this by now.

 

However they play this out till the draft is fine by me.

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, this is a message board.  It’s always hypothetical.  But yes, we agree.  
 

super bowl or bust

 

I wouldn't say it is Super Bowl or bust for this team BUT I would say that the bar is in my mind set at winning the division and a playoff game as a minimum for the season to not be a disappointment. Now if they get Clowney I would then upgrade to Conference Championship game as a minimum. 

 

But Allen is still a young QB and I think Super Bowl or nothing expectations are a bit high. I get thinking this team can go all the way but I also think that it is a bit much to expect Allen to make the jump from decent QB with flaws to someone who can win 3-4 playoff games. 

[Manther]

On 4/3/2020 at 12:53 PM, First Round Bust said:

I think we will add a vet running back at some point  as I do like Lamar Miller as he is coming off ACL tear last Aug and also D Freeman and Carlos Hyde is also out there...the price drops as the days go by I assume...

Agreed 

[KGun12TD]

Don’t you ever suggest when the “Magic Beane” is done with free agency. He is finished when he says so! Carry on!

[GreggTX]

I really hope we do something to upgrade the OL, but that's looking like a remote possibility.

[CaptnCoke11]

I agree.  No sense in signing anyone right now.  See how the draft unfolds while prices continue to drop in FAs.  

6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I really hope we do something to upgrade the OL, but that's looking like a remote possibility.

Sky is falling!