Rumor:Miami Dolphins reportedly will give 3 first round picks to the Bengals in exchange for their 1st overall pick for Burrow.

[Foxx]

20 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

By far, the greatest season a college QB has ever had. It wasn’t just a “good” season.

 

I would do the deal if I were Miami. If I’m the Bengals, I decline though. You don’t get a shot at Burrow in most drafts. He has “it.” 

he is, the second coming. the phish better not get him.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think he's a day 1 starter but he isn't a generational QB. Not even close

 

Being a 5th year senior and the oldest guy on the field is huge. Compare that to a guy like trevor Lawrence who won a National championship as the youngest on the Field

 

If Lawrence or Justin Fields were draft eligible both would go over Burrow hands down

 

Lawrence would have got selected round 1 out of HS .  He's the generational prospect

 

You aren't wrong - but theres no guarantee lawrence is yours next year.  It's just suuuch an important position.  You can figure some of the other stuff out as you go along.  

[MassHog]

21 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

His ceiling is a little higher than Chad Pennington’s imo 

Come on dude.... the kid is a stud. He can make every throw. He had possibly the best single quarterbacking season in the history of college football against the best defenses in the NCAA. 

[Wayne Arnold]

43 minutes ago, MassHog said:

Come on dude.... the kid is a stud. He can make every throw. He had possibly the best single quarterbacking season in the history of college football against the best defenses in the NCAA. 

 

[Codyny13]

With the capital the Dolphins have...it’d be a no brainer for me. It’s hard to pay too much for a franchise changing quarterback. Too bad all out GM’s post Kelly didn’t realize that. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

he is, the second coming. the phish better not get him.

He’s not a guy that I want to have to play in big games for 15 years. He’s also a guy that I really, really like. I don’t want to have to hate him either.

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s not a guy that I want to have to play in big games for 15 years. He’s also a guy that I really, really like. I don’t want to have to hate him either.

There are three or four qbs that will be selected in the first round. It seems that the majority of analysts have Burrow at one, Tua as the second ranking qb with Herbert being the third ranked qb. Do you know which one will have the best career? It won't necessarily be the highest rated qb entering the draft. It will be the qb with the best supporting cast and wise coaching staff that maximizes the talents of the qb respectively selected. As you astutely pointed out Burrow didn't excel in college until the Tiger program modernized its primitive offense with a more sophisticated passing attack designed by a smart coordinator who was brought in to take over the offense.  I never understood why such a premier program at LSU with an overload of NFL talent squandered its potential with such an antiquated approach to the offense and qb position.  

 

With respect to the Bills the point that I am highlighting here is that the McBeane regime was smart in directing its attention to upgrading the OL (which was done mostly in free agency last year) and upgrading the receiver corps with the addition of Diggs this offseason and the receivers added last year. This emphasis on upgrading the staffing around the qb was done to put their qb investment in the best situation to succeed. Unless the teams selecting this year's upper tier qb prospects follow the same prescription they will be wasting a golden opportunity. 

[YoloinOhio]

Edited March 28, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Buffalo716]

On 3/23/2020 at 5:45 PM, MassHog said:

Come on dude.... the kid is a stud. He can make every throw. He had possibly the best single quarterbacking season in the history of college football against the best defenses in the NCAA. 

He can't make every NFL throw . His deep outs and comebacks wobbled in college and even nose dived way more than you'd like

 

He won't be completing big time throws outside the hashes with ease in the NFL

[Paulus]

Id ask for a little more if I were Cinci...

 

On 3/23/2020 at 2:45 PM, MassHog said:

Come on dude.... the kid is a stud. He can make every throw. He had possibly the best single quarterbacking season in the history of college football against the best defenses in the NCAA. 

Dont worry... Most posters here have no clue what they are talking about and post just to feel smart. 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2020 by Paulus

[BillsFan17]

On 3/23/2020 at 6:31 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Can you make one of those for Mahomes?

[Victory Formation]

I think if a trade were to materialize it’d have to be after Burrow was drafted. Maybe the Bengals covet Tua or Herbert but there is no guarantee that either of them’ll be there at 5. Washington may take one, the Chargers could trade up, lots of things can happen before that 5th pick. We may see a player swap plus picks after the fact ala Rivers and Manning but the Bengals would be fools to do anything now. No guarantee they get one if they do.

[cba fan]

On 3/22/2020 at 7:15 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Didn’t know Chad Pennington even had a ceiling lol. Another QB draft bust from the Jets lol

Chad lived in a glass ceiling house?

On 3/22/2020 at 7:18 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Yeah I remember he was injury proned but I remember him getting benched several times with the jets before they dumped him in favor of Favre 

Chad had multiple arm/shoulder/muscle injuries and lost even more power so lead to this benching......

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2020 at 8:29 PM, hjnick said:

I think I'd do that for Trevor Lawrence next year... IMO, that dude is the second coming....

Your post is a bit vague, as if you want the Bills to trade for him. That's OK too, we are all entitled to opinions.

 

I would agree with you on the premise that Lawrence is clearly superior to Burrow. It doesn't make me right of course. I'm the guy who thought Rob Johnson would be a great quarterback.

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Your post is a bit vague, as if you want the Bills to trade for him. That's OK too, we are all entitled to opinions.

 

I would agree with you on the premise that Lawrence is clearly superior to Burrow. It doesn't make me right of course. I'm the guy who thought Rob Johnson would be a great quarterback.

You are not the only one who thought that Rob Johnson would be our long term franchise qb. If you break down his physical attributes he checks all the boxes. What he couldn't do is overcome his stubbornness to hold the ball too long and unwillingness to throw the ball away and live for the next play. Because of his reluctance to tactically yield the play he took an unmerciful beating. And it was mostly his fault! If he would have had the moxie of Flutie I do believe he would have been a very good qb. Most players who come from coaching families have an understanding of the intricacies of the game and the game within the game. He lacked that mental dexterity on the field to adjust.  Sometimes being stubborn is what makes one a success; and sometimes being stubborn is what makes one be a failure. 

[Bill from NYC]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You are not the only one who thought that Rob Johnson would be our long term franchise qb. If you break down his physical attributes he checks all the boxes. What he couldn't do is overcome his stubbornness to hold the ball too long and unwillingness to throw the ball away and live for the next play. Because of his reluctance to tactically yield the play he took an unmerciful beating. And it was mostly his fault! If he would have had the moxie of Flutie I do believe he would have been a very good qb. Most players who come from coaching families have an understanding of the intricacies of the game and the game within the game. He lacked that mental dexterity on the field to adjust.  Sometimes being stubborn is what makes one a success; and sometimes being stubborn is what makes one be a failure. 

This, and he was not instinctive.

People forget that he was 6'4"', very fast, had great arm, and perhaps his greatest skill was his accuracy. It took me at least 2 years to see what was right before my eyes. 

I was at Lot 1/Pole 5 tailgating with Lori, Badol and his crew and a host of others. We were talking about RJ and I was still trying to figure out the problem. A great guy named Bob Lamb said to me "Bill, he sucks." That is when it started sinking in lol!!!

[JohnC]

42 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

This, and he was not instinctive.

People forget that he was 6'4"', very fast, had great arm, and perhaps his greatest skill was his accuracy. It took me at least 2 years to see what was right before my eyes. 

I was at Lot 1/Pole 5 tailgating with Lori, Badol and his crew and a host of others. We were talking about RJ and I was still trying to figure out the problem. A great guy named Bob Lamb said to me "Bill, he sucks." That is when it started sinking in lol!!!

J.P. Losman had the same debilitating mental traits not related to his fulsome physical talents. After watching games for a long time I have come to the realization that it doesn't take long to recognize whether a qb prospect has it or not. As you seem to suggest "trust your eyes" and don't get swayed by your heart. You either have that vision and feel for the game or you don't. No amount of coaching can instill that essential talent that is required in the pro game. 

 

Tom Brady is the best possessor of these instinctive traits. And I do believe that Tua also has it although we won't know for sure until he gets on the field.

[Smitty75]

I don’t think that they will accept this trade, even if it’s look tempting on the paper. ?

Cincy need a franchise QB and Burrow has the potential to become one.

[starrymessenger]

35 minutes ago, Smitty75 said:

I don’t think that they will accept this trade, even if it’s look tempting on the paper. ?

Cincy need a franchise QB and Burrow has the potential to become one.

 

Yeah I can see why the fish would make this trade. It's the same reason why the bengals wouldn't (and won't). 

[hjnick]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Your post is a bit vague, as if you want the Bills to trade for him. That's OK too, we are all entitled to opinions.

 

I would agree with you on the premise that Lawrence is clearly superior to Burrow. It doesn't make me right of course. I'm the guy who thought Rob Johnson would be a great quarterback.

 

Well, it was just a throw away comment where I would give 3 #1 picks for Trevor, but I wouldn't for Burrow.  Now, I think Burrow is going to be good, but from a Miami perspective, you got Tua and Herbert that are also very good and will probably be there at their pick (or at least one of them will).

 

Trevor, IMO, is more of a Elway, Peyton, or Luck type of QB coming out of college.  He looks like one of those top echelon QB talents that do not come along very often.  So whoever gets the #1 pick NEXT year, is going to be a very lucky franchise, IMO.

 

As of this moment, NO, I'm very happy with Josh Allen and we can / will win with him, so I would not try to go after Trevor next year.  NOW, hypothetical (which I don't think will happen), IF Josh Allen really regressed and did not look good this year AND we ended with a terrible record which gives us a Top 5 pick...Yes, I think you seriously need to think about drafting Trevor.  

 

Trevor in 2 years in college has only been to 2 national championship games, won 1 of them (as a true freshman), and has only LOST 1 game in his college career...

[billsfan89]

On 3/23/2020 at 2:45 PM, MassHog said:

Come on dude.... the kid is a stud. He can make every throw. He had possibly the best single quarterbacking season in the history of college football against the best defenses in the NCAA. 

 

I think Burrow is a good QB prospect but not a true blue chip number one QB prospect in my mind. IF this version of Burrow came out in the 2018 draft where would he be drafted? I don't see him going over Darnold and Baker. If Miami were offering me 5, 18, 26, and a 2021 1st along with some mid-round selections in 2020 and 2021 I would seriously consider it if I were Cincy. For one you put yourself in a great position for the 2021 Lawrence draft by having Miami's first round pick in your back pocket and you get a chance to fundamentally build a more sound roster by having 6 picks in the top 107 as well as more mid-round picks to trade up or add more. 

 

Cincy's roster is completely in need of an overhaul and having picks 5, 18, 26, 33, 65, and 107 would be a good place to start building back up their roster in a more complete way. They would also have two first round picks in 2021 which gives them a lot of flexibility to move up and get a QB in 2021. I can see Cincy making that trade if they think Burrow isn't a truly elite QB prospect or he really doesn't want to go there. 

Edited March 30, 2020 by billsfan89

[The Frankish Reich]

22 hours ago, cba fan said:

Chad lived in a glass ceiling house?

Chad had multiple arm/shoulder/muscle injuries and lost even more power so lead to this benching......

Yeah, I don't know why people use Chad Pennington as an example. At his best he was the poor man's Peyton Manning. Well, the homeless man's Peyton Manning. But still ... he had his moments, weak arm/destroyed shoulder an all. A perfectly healthy Chad Pennington would've had a pretty damn good career.

[Warren Zevon]

FWIW I've had a source for quite some time that tells me Fitz wants out of Miami. It's my first source ever so take it with a grain of salt - former Bills player. I'll give it up if Fitz is gone from South Beach before the season starts.

[JaCrispy]

23 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

FWIW I've had a source for quite some time that tells me Fitz wants out of Miami. It's my first source ever so take it with a grain of salt - former Bills player. I'll give it up if Fitz is gone from South Beach before the season starts.

Hopefully we could trade Barkley for Fitz straight up...?

[PromoTheRobot]

30 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

FWIW I've had a source for quite some time that tells me Fitz wants out of Miami. It's my first source ever so take it with a grain of salt - former Bills player. I'll give it up if Fitz is gone from South Beach before the season starts.

 

5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Hopefully we could trade Barkley for Fitz straight up...?

 

I would not mind Fitz back in Buffalo as a backup...other than him inevitably starting.  Ask your source if he liked it here. I mean, the Bills paid him his best contract.

Edited March 30, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[YoloinOhio]

35 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

FWIW I've had a source for quite some time that tells me Fitz wants out of Miami. It's my first source ever so take it with a grain of salt - former Bills player. I'll give it up if Fitz is gone from South Beach before the season starts.

I would say bring him back and cut barkley but I’m way too afraid of the Fitz cycle 

[YoloinOhio]

5 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I think Burrow is a good QB prospect but not a true blue chip number one QB prospect in my mind. IF this version of Burrow came out in the 2018 draft where would he be drafted? I don't see him going over Darnold and Baker. If Miami were offering me 5, 18, 26, and a 2021 1st along with some mid-round selections in 2020 and 2021 I would seriously consider it if I were Cincy. For one you put yourself in a great position for the 2021 Lawrence draft by having Miami's first round pick in your back pocket and you get a chance to fundamentally build a more sound roster by having 6 picks in the top 107 as well as more mid-round picks to trade up or add more. 

 

Cincy's roster is completely in need of an overhaul and having picks 5, 18, 26, 33, 65, and 107 would be a good place to start building back up their roster in a more complete way. They would also have two first round picks in 2021 which gives them a lot of flexibility to move up and get a QB in 2021. I can see Cincy making that trade if they think Burrow isn't a truly elite QB prospect or he really doesn't want to go there. 

Hot take alert? I think Burrow definitely it goes #1 that year. Interestingly Mayfield had a similar draft ascension his senior year but was smaller, less mobile, won fewer games and displayed a bunch of douchebaggery. 

[Bill from NYC]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Hot take alert? I think Burrow definitely it goes #1 that year. Interestingly Mayfield had a similar draft ascension his senior year but was smaller, less mobile, won fewer games and displayed a bunch of douchebaggery. 

I fully agree.

Where do you think a healthy Tua would have gone in that draft?

 

[auburnbillsbacker]

On 3/22/2020 at 8:09 PM, GETTOTHE50 said:

His ceiling is a little higher than Chad Pennington’s imo 

Chad Pennington was pretty good.  Not a hall of Famer like Manning but better than several first overall picks.

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I fully agree.

Where do you think a healthy Tua would have gone in that draft?

 

I don’t know personally,  just going by what the draft guys are saying about their Burrow grades. 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t know personally,  just going by what the draft guys are saying about their Burrow grades. 

 

 

I think it's crazy the love fest he is getting. He was barely on the draft radar as a top 5 round QB last year

 

His meteoric rise is uncanny and crazy

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t know personally,  just going by what the draft guys are saying about their Burrow grades. 

 

 

Nobody knows, I was asking for your opinion. ?

 

Edited March 31, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Nobody knows, I was asking for your opinion. ?

 

Healthy Tua? If Burrow is in the same draft I think he would go 2. If no Burrow, then probably 1. I wasn’t a huge proponent of “Darnold at 1” and I think Mayfield only went first because the Browns were at 1 and were enamored with him. Darnold, like Allen was too much of a project to go #1

[KRT88]

If they are willing to give that up, I’d ask for a lot more.

 

ask for a 1st next year and 4th in both the year and next year. 
 

6 picks for 1. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

23 minutes ago, KRT88 said:

If they are willing to give that up, I’d ask for a lot more.

 

ask for a 1st next year and 4th in both the year and next year. 
 

6 picks for 1. 

See if they'll toss in the pressure gauge the Patriots use to check air pressure in the footballs, and you've got yourself a deal, Pilgrim.

[DrDawkinstein]

11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t know personally,  just going by what the draft guys are saying about their Burrow grades. 

 

 

 

Interesting to see this this morning. Thanks to billsfan89's question, I spent some time going through past drafts last night and had determined basically the same thing.

 

Being in the heart of SEC country, I was lucky enough to be able to see almost all of LSUs games last year.

 

I havent seen a performance in college football like that since Tebow (who, regardless of his NFL days, will always be one of the top college football players of all time). The main difference being that Burrow is also a prototypical NFL passer, and was making money throws all season. He put up over 5000yds and 60 TDs against SEC defenses (this isnt the Big 12 we're talking about).

 

Giving him the 2019 season, Burrow was the top prospect in every draft all the way back to 2012 with Luck. And even then, Luck never had a single season as a dominant pure passer like Burrow just had. 2019 Burrow basically doubled Luck's best seasons.

 

But looking at past drafts, 2019 Burrow definitely goes ahead of Murray. He'd be ahead of Darnold and Mayfield, both of which were drafted more on potential than anything they did in college (imo). Definitely ahead of Trubisky. Ahead of Goff and Wentz. Ahead of Winston. I wont even bother with the QBs of 2014 and 2013. And that gets us to Luck.

 

I may even dare to say he's a better prospect than Luck. Or at least equal for different reasons. Lot more tape on Luck, but Luck put up less numbers, took way more hits, and never even came close to winning a Championship, let alone a playoff tourny Championship.

 

Folks can say he only did it one year, but he was buried behind a guy who now owns 25 passing records at Ohio St. so not really his fault he couldnt win a chance there. And his first season at LSU was hampered by LSU's old school run-first Offense. The moment they brought in Joe Brady, and turn Burrow loose, they were set to make history.

 

And if you want to go past 2012, I'd venture to say he would have gone before Cam in 2011 (and I'm a big Cam fan), and before Bradford in 2010. So yeah, best QB prospect in over a decade.

 

 

Edited March 31, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

?Fitzmagic made ***** complicated for them didn't he.

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Healthy Tua? If Burrow is in the same draft I think he would go 2. If no Burrow, then probably 1. I wasn’t a huge proponent of “Darnold at 1” and I think Mayfield only went first because the Browns were at 1 and were enamored with him. Darnold, like Allen was too much of a project to go #1

I thought that Darnold was the best prospect, followed by Allen. That said, I think a healthy Tua would have been picked first in that draft.

 

If Burrow AND Tua were in that draft, I would expect them to be the first 2 selected. With Cleveland picking first I think that Burrow would have went first.

[foreboding]

If hes a legit franchise qb, it's worth it, as you really cannot succeed without one. Of course we wont know that for 2 to 3 years, at least. Kid seems to have "it" though. Prefer him not on AFCE. Depends entirely on how the bengals feel.