Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I saw a post on here about going "all in" and while I think Diggs is a big move, I think there is one more that can be made. I looked at all the RB situations in the league and the one that sticks out to me the most is Leonard Fournette. The Jags have lost Ramsey, Bouye, Calais Campbell and could possibly lose Ngakoue. They seem to be on a rebuild and some players don't seem to want to player there. Fournette is only 25 and is still on his rookie deal. If we could get him with some draft picks for this year without digging into picks for next year, I think I would be all for calling the Jags and seeing what they would like for him. Another RB is something we need and there is no guarantee that we get one of the top guys in the draft. I feel like it could be worth at least a call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I don’t think he’s that good, especially given his contract. I’d rather draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 What would you give up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Interesting, because he’s probably not going to be the guy there. I just don’t know if it’s worth adding him for what the Jags would want in return (can’t see less than a 3rd). There’s the “process guy”, question as well and his checkered history in Buffalo. I think there is a better chance that the Bills draft their bigger back, then trade. There’s a few FA’s out there still, too. 2nd round BPA could have quite a few RB options (though I think they’ll go secondary or WR still). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, DFT said: Interesting, because he’s probably not going to be the guy there. I just don’t know if it’s worth adding him for what the Jags would want in return (can’t see less than a 3rd). There’s the “process guy”, question as well and his checkered history in Buffalo. I think there is a better chance that the Bills draft their bigger back, then trade. There’s a few FA’s out there still, too. 2nd round BPA could have quite a few RB options (though I think they’ll go secondary or WR still). I don't think they'll take less than a 3rd but I actually wouldn't mind giving our 3rd this year for him. We still have two 6th rounders so maybe a 3rd and a 6th if they're willing? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, Buffalo03 said: I don't think they'll take less than a 3rd but I actually wouldn't mind giving our 3rd this year for him. We still have two 6th rounders so maybe a 3rd and a 6th if they're willing? Too rich for my blood, but that’s why I’m on message boards and not running the team (thankfully for the Bills!!!). I know there’s some smoke about about Bills and Bucs being potentially interested in Gurley, which I hope is just fluff on the Bills part. I don’t think he’s done by any means, but his contract is just awful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, DFT said: Too rich for my blood, but that’s why I’m on message boards and not running the team (thankfully for the Bills!!!). I know there’s some smoke about about Bills and Bucs being potentially interested in Gurley, which I hope is just fluff on the Bills part. I don’t think he’s done by any means, but his contract is just awful. Read the Rams might cut Gurley if they can't find a trade partner. No way you trade for that contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I'd rather draft someone - there are usually serviceable running backs that can be acquired in the mid & later rounds of the draft that will provide the same production as Fournette - without the necessity to give up draft capital - and at significantly reduced salary requirement compared to someone like Fournette. Don't waste excessive salary cap space & draft capital on a running back when an equivalent can be acquired for much less. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, Dr. Who said: Read the Rams might cut Gurley if they can't find a trade partner. No way you trade for that contract. (Nick Foles has entered the chat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, DFT said: (Nick Foles has entered the chat) The Bears are second cousin to the Texans when it comes to shrewd moves. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, DFT said: (Nick Foles has entered the chat) Foles is an entirely different kettle of fish. He's a QB, a much more important -- and thus valuable -- position than RB. More importantly, the Bears need a QB behind Trubisky who 1) can step in and save their season if Trubisky fails and 2) won't disrupt the team if Trubisky improves. Nick Foles is that guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Read the Rams might cut Gurley if they can't find a trade partner. No way you trade for that contract. I wouldn't trade for Gurley because of his contract but if he gets cut, I would love to sign him even with the knee issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, SoTier said: Foles is an entirely different kettle of fish. He's a QB, a much more important -- and thus valuable -- position than RB. More importantly, the Bears need a QB behind Trubisky who 1) can step in and save their season if Trubisky fails and 2) won't disrupt the team if Trubisky improves. Nick Foles is that guy. Disagree (respectfully). Brady’s game at this stage is predicated on having a blocking/receiving option at RB. And to be fair, it was a laughable notion when the Jags first leaked their interest in trading Foles, because of his contract. My only point is... Never say never. The NFL has proven the mighty weight of the phrase “hold my beer”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 In terms of draft capital required to get him I think is doable. The pairing of Fornette and Singletary works imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 A motivated Fournette on a contract year. Yes, I’d be all for that. I’d give a 4th rounder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I don’t think he’s that good, especially given his contract. I’d rather draft one. I agree. I think there are better backs available in FA now and in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 no way....too many cheaper options that are just as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 We don’t need to rush for a backup for singletary. The draft has a few and these guys like Gordon and Hyde aren’t worth the money they’ll want. Let’s take care of Tre, Milano and company and if we do want to spend anymore money let’s get Clowney and go all offense in the draft. I’d love Mims in the 2nd, BPA 3rd (OL probably) and 4th AJ Dillon to complement Singletary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: no way....too many cheaper options that are just as good He's not really that expensive and I think he's better than any free agent out there right now. Is a guy we draft in the 4th round or later really gonna be any better than he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: A motivated Fournette on a contract year. Yes, I’d be all for that. I’d give a 4th rounder. If Fournette is in a contract year, it will be a much higher probability you will only have him for 1 year (unless you wanna pay the bum, which is what he wants...) So I wouldn't give more than a 6th. 1year rental RB. Better to get a fresh RB in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Read the Rams might cut Gurley if they can't find a trade partner. No way you trade for that contract. Well, obviously the Gurley move/trade is purely a cap dump move bc the Rams cap has ALOT of issues. I would take Gurley and a their 2020 2nd Round pick for Yeldon, Foster (WR), and a 2021 4th round pick. We can absorb Gurley's contract right? This move also gets us a 2nd round pick to make up for the 1st we lost when getting Diggs. Then after this year we can ask Gurley to restructure his contract at a MUCH lower cost or cut him. Edited March 19, 2020 by hjnick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, hjnick said: If Fournette is in a contract year, it will be a much higher probability you will only have him for 1 year (unless you wanna pay the bum, which is what he wants...) So I wouldn't give more than a 6th. 1year rental RB. Better to get a fresh RB in the draft. We already have a young promising RB on his rookie deal for the next 3 years. I think we’re in a spot where we can spend a 4th for a guy who could have a monster year even if it’s a 1 year rental. And that 1 year is only gonna cost 4 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I agree on paper it might seem like a fit, but I think we'd really like someone with better hands. I also think we're looking for someone that doesn't mind picking up the blitz, I'm not sure he fits either of these roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, hjnick said: If Fournette is in a contract year, it will be a much higher probability you will only have him for 1 year (unless you wanna pay the bum, which is what he wants...) So I wouldn't give more than a 6th. 1year rental RB. Better to get a fresh RB in the draft. They actually have yet to decide whether or not they will pick up his 5th year option so it could be a 2 year deal at the very least 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 RB is the last position that we should be investing FA resources on. Draft, Draft, Draft - stay young, cheap, and healthy at the position Lather, rinse & repeat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: We already have a young promising RB on his rookie deal for the next 3 years. I think we’re in a spot where we can spend a 4th for a guy who could have a monster year even if it’s a 1 year rental. And that 1 year is only gonna cost 4 million. We are just debating about compensation for Fournette. We both wouldn't mind getting him here in Buffalo and I think we are both realistic he's a short term lease. Me personally, if we are going to use a 4th round pick on a RB, I'd rather that pick be used on a fresh RB in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 It a no for me. Beane got good value in Singletary last year. So let him find some in this draft. More often than not it's better to do it through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: I saw a post on here about going "all in" and while I think Diggs is a big move, I think there is one more that can be made. I looked at all the RB situations in the league and the one that sticks out to me the most is Leonard Fournette. The Jags have lost Ramsey, Bouye, Calais Campbell and could possibly lose Ngakoue. They seem to be on a rebuild and some players don't seem to want to player there. Fournette is only 25 and is still on his rookie deal. If we could get him with some draft picks for this year without digging into picks for next year, I think I would be all for calling the Jags and seeing what they would like for him. Another RB is something we need and there is no guarantee that we get one of the top guys in the draft. I feel like it could be worth at least a call I'd want K.Hunt before looking at this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mushypeaches said: RB is the last position that we should be investing FA resources on. Draft, Draft, Draft - stay young, cheap, and healthy at the position Lather, rinse & repeat That sounds good in theory, but rookies tend to suck in pass protection and that is a vital part of being a good RB. The Bills need a veteran. There's no way around it. Edited March 19, 2020 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Fournette is a decent player, but not a home run threat. He plays differently than Singletary but he’s similar in that he can get you a tough 4, but has much greater difficulty breaking a 60 yarder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Meh. Hasn’t been the same since he got dinged with the beer can at NEF. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 No. Snag a RB in the 4th or later (even UDFAs). That is not the position to waste resources on. WRT Fournette specifically, bad attitude and high price tag and banged up, so definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: No. Snag a RB in the 4th or later (even UDFAs). That is not the position to waste resources on. WRT Fournette specifically, bad attitude and high price tag and banged up, so definitely not. He's still on his rookie deal so he doesn't really have a high price tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: He's still on his rookie deal so he doesn't really have a high price tag Good point, thanks for mentioning that. Looking it up, it's still an $8MM price tag this year, and will either need a new contract or whatever we send in trade compensation gets wasted on 1 year. Even if Jags have to eat the $4MM bonus amount, still nah. JMO. It's weird. I loved Fournette at LSU, but have hated him as a pro. Edited March 19, 2020 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Hes not Trent Richardson level bust, but hes close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Hes not Trent Richardson level bust, but hes close. Trent Richardson in 4 years rushing 2033 yards 3.3 avg 17 TD receiving 112 for 913 yards and 2 TD Leonard Fournette in 3 years rushing 2631 yards 4.0 avg 17 TD receiving 134 for 1009 yards and 2 TD Not really that close 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 When Fournette came out of college I very much expected him to be great. He is not anything special at the NFL level. I would not be interested in giving up much of anything to trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Now that Shaq is gone, he is welcome here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Could you just see a remake of the old Coke / Mean Joe Greene commercial, except this time the kid rifles a beer at Leonard, ricocheting off his melon? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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