ExWNYer Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Enjoy that fugly uni and the 'fans' disguised as empty seats. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, White Linen said: Shaq played well because McDermott is one of the leagues best defensive coaches. Shaq, IMO, will not be heard of much with the Phins. You hope. He very well could be blossoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: Between Shaq and J. Phillips, I would rather have kept Shaq neither. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Everyone wants a pass rusher until the other team literally runs around your out of position DE (Murphy and Hughes). I wonder if this means DE in the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Bills need to add a DE in FA. What the story on Emmanuel Ogbah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Miami runs 3-4, a defensive scheme Lawson didn’t play well while under Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 42 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow. $10 million per year? I was expecting more like 8. Wonder what Beane and company were offering him to stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Wonder what Beane and company were offering him to stay? I would hope significantly less than 10. Lawson is a part time edge setter. But you know, he has progressed every year. Maybe he'll continue to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, MJS said: I would hope significantly less than 10. Lawson is a part time edge setter. But you know, he has progressed every year. Maybe he'll continue to get better. He might, but he struggles in a 3-4 which is what Flores runs. He seemed to progress under McDermott’s 4-3 scheme, 3 year 30 million is too much for a rotational player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 54 minutes ago, White Linen said: Shaq played well because McDermott is one of the leagues best defensive coaches. Shaq, IMO, will not be heard of much with the Phins. I totally disagree. Last year, I said he looked like the perfect DE for the Belichick system based on how they exploit big DEs, and I thought the Pats would be very interested. Turns out I was sorta right. He is a fantastic fit for that system and actually a bad fit for McDermott’s, which makes stars out of quick twitch DEs like James Hardy. 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: He might, but he struggles in a 3-4 which is what Flores runs. He seemed to progress under McDermott’s 4-3 scheme, 3 year 30 million is too much for a rotational player This just isn’t true. Anyway, the Pats system is a 3-4 in only the most loosest of senses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I totally disagree. Last year, I said he looked like the perfect DE for the Belichick system based on how they exploit big DEs, and I thought the Pats would be very interested. Turns out I was sorta right. He is a fantastic fit for that system and actually a bad fit for McDermott’s, which makes stars out of quick twitch DEs like James Hardy. This just isn’t true. Anyway, the Pats system is a 3-4 in only the most loosest of senses. But it is true, I remember in 2017 everyone was claiming him to being a bust and wanted him out of town, 2018 he did ok and 2019 was probably his best season as a Bill. His worst was under Rex who ran a 3-4 scheme. 30 million is too much for a rotational player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I totally disagree. Last year, I said he looked like the perfect DE for the Belichick system based on how they exploit big DEs, and I thought the Pats would be very interested. Turns out I was sorta right. He is a fantastic fit for that system and actually a bad fit for McDermott’s, which makes stars out of quick twitch DEs like James Hardy. Why does a system exploiting big DE's make him a perfect fit as a big DE? I was thinking less about system and more of McDermott as a coach. I think he gets the best out of players. We're not exactly a star studded defense - yet we're one of the best in the league. Lawson being in our division doesn't bother me in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yes, that's an overall average. But when you look at the real numbers and add base salary and bonuses, his hit this year is $9.775M https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/trent-murphy-14456/ And cutting him would leave $1.75M in dead money. The delta for keeping him is $8.025M. Despite the excessive criticism of him by some here, he’s worth that versus opening up a huge hole there. The Bills need to add at least one other DE with starting capability this offseason. A rookie who could rotate and learn under Murphy and Hughes this season would be a very good solution. A high end free agent would work well too and make Murphy the rotational DE. If we can get both then we can talk about whether we move on from Murphy or Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: And with that, the last of the Whaley/Wrecks crew has left the building Good riddance... well to wrecks. Whaley was a mixed bag. Love bean x1000000 more. But I thought Whales ‘flashed’ With some occasional solid moves. Edited March 16, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I never really cared for him, glad we didn’t sink any more money into him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: But it is true, I remember in 2017 everyone was claiming him to being a bust and wanted him out of town, 2018 he did ok and 2019 was probably his best season as a Bill. His worst was under Rex who ran a 3-4 scheme. 30 million is too much for a rotational player He was injured and young under Rex, who ran a by-then ridiculous (because ridiculously complicated) scheme. I wouldn’t overinterpret those seasons. 51 minutes ago, White Linen said: Why does a system exploiting big DE's make him a perfect fit as a big DE? I was thinking less about system and more of McDermott as a coach. I think he gets the best out of players. We're not exactly a star studded defense - yet we're one of the best in the league. Lawson being in our division doesn't bother me in the least. A system that exploits their advantages. Belichick has always been great at scheming to effectively set the edge and creating confusion from his mix of rushers, especially guys who are multiple (big but with decent pass rush ability) like Shaq. Edited March 16, 2020 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: To the fins? Your dead to me shaq I said the same thing to Thurman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantankeous Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Good luck down there You spelled riddance wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 If ever there was a guy who's gonna sit back and count that money, it's Shaq. Smart move by Beane, who saw this guy was dogging it until contract year, then wanted silly money for his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: They haven't actually SIGNED him, right? It's just the legal tampering period, they can not sign until the start of the League year Thurs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: They haven't actually SIGNED him, right? It's just the legal tampering period, they can not sign until the start of the League year Thurs? semantics you pain in the as$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 hours ago, B-Man said: Who is this guy and what do we think he knows about football? 4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: semantics you pain in the as$ It's not a done deal until the pen hits the paper, right? In theory, the Bills could offer to match or offer him more and he could still resign here, is my point 3 hours ago, White Linen said: Shaq played well because McDermott is one of the leagues best defensive coaches. Shaq, IMO, will not be heard of much with the Phins. I thought the Phins played pretty good football at times. Didn't have the hosses but seemed like a well-coached team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Everyone shut up about the Dolphins . I need to know what comp pick we will get because of this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's not a done deal until the pen hits the paper, right? In theory, the Bills could offer to match or offer him more and he could still resign here, is my point Future dated most likely - curious - has anyone pulled out of one of these deals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Future dated most likely - curious - has anyone pulled out of one of these deals? Good question....it depends I guess on how firm it is at this point. It seems like I remember a couple, but I can't bring names to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good question....it depends I guess on how firm it is at this point. It seems like I remember a couple, but I can't bring names to mind. Didn't Anthony Barr do that to the Jets after having one of his recurring nightmares last year? Edited March 16, 2020 by Warcodered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Good for him. Went from bust to $10 million per year And gets to live in Miami. I didn’t want him at the price but he’s a solid player and I wish him well. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 What a shame, I’ve always liked Shaq & agree with many here that his best is yet to come. Good luck Shaq & thanks for your time & service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Will the bills counter the Dolphins with a Chris Harris/ Tre White duo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Good for them and wish him well : ) 3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Miami runs 3-4, a defensive scheme Lawson didn’t play well while under Rex no one played well under Rex. so no points awarded here. Edited March 16, 2020 by 3rdand12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: God for them and wish him well : ) no one played well under Rex. so no points awarded here. I disagree, Darby played well under rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I hate the fact he stayed in the division. He is a passionate guy, and you know he will get up for the games against us. At least our o-line has experience playing against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 And so the last of the Whaley gems is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: He was injured and young under Rex, who ran a by-then ridiculous (because ridiculously complicated) scheme. I wouldn’t overinterpret those seasons. A system that exploits their advantages. Belichick has always been great at scheming to effectively set the edge and creating confusion from his mix of rushers, especially guys who are multiple (big but with decent pass rush ability) like Shaq. That is one of the reasons Rex drafted him he could move him inside or out depending. Bills did that as well , from a different scheming perspective. I think some of the reason Beane let him go was Lawson wanted to get paid and be a bit more glorified than he would as Bill and rotational player. Similar to J Phillips 16 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I disagree, Darby played well under rex : D true enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said: I hate the fact he stayed in the division. He is a passionate guy, and you know he will get up for the games against us. At least our o-line has experience playing against him. be fun to watch him matchup with Ford in the run game ! 10 minutes ago, Rico said: And so the last of the Whaley gems is gone. this is fact isn't it ? you know Rex actually drafted him. and the broken LB. Both of em were injured getting off the Bus from College if i recall lol Edited March 16, 2020 by 3rdand12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s more of a run tackler but I wish him well except for 2x a year Then why is Trent Murphy on this team? cap number just under 10 mill, he had 3 sacks up until last game of the season. 5 hours ago, Hebert19 said: 10m too much. Not for long They save over 8 mill cutting him, the Bills need better production. Gets rolled over against the run and had only 3 sacks if you take away meaningless last game against Jets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: He was injured and young under Rex, who ran a by-then ridiculous (because ridiculously complicated) scheme. I wouldn’t overinterpret those seasons. A system that exploits their advantages. Belichick has always been great at scheming to effectively set the edge and creating confusion from his mix of rushers, especially guys who are multiple (big but with decent pass rush ability) like Shaq. I guess they didn't love him enough to give him 10 mil/per even though "he's perfect for them". Pretty crazy for such an inexpensive contract from their perspective. Or maybe they agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Putin said: With every signings so far I get more and more depressed, Bean better do something BIG and SOON , Either you want to be part of the process ... or you don’t. I, for one, don’t give a crap about something BIG & SOON. I’m interested in GREAT & IF IT MAKES SENSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Rico said: And so the last of the Whaley gems is gone. And it is too bad, we should have re-signed Shaq; $10M AAV is worth it for him. But hey, we still have Murphy (a McDermott gem) at $9.7M AAV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Is this finally the end of the Whaley era? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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