Reed83HOF Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Edited March 17, 2020 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I’d rather pay him than phillips 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Basically, he's a big immovable 1 or 0 tech, isn't he. I assume much more of a run stuffer than pass defender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 DJ Reader is a very good player, but the fit seems odd to me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Good. I'm surprised to learn this though: Jordan Phillips, Bills Although Phillips recorded 9 1/2 sacks, he had just 19 additional pressures. He can play defensive end or tackle. Anyone able to explain to me when/how Phillips showed he can play DE? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Logic said: DJ Reader is a very good player, but the fit seems odd to me. After thinking about it a little more, I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good. I'm surprised to learn this though: Jordan Phillips, Bills Although Phillips recorded 9 1/2 sacks, he had just 19 additional pressures. He can play defensive end or tackle. Anyone able to explain to me when/how Phillips showed he can play DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’d rather pay him than phillips Why? He's a true NT, maybe a 0 -1 tech. Doesn't fill Jordan Phillips role. Unless they expect to move Harrison Phillips to 3 tech? Would that work? Anyone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why? He's a true NT, maybe a 0 -1 tech. Doesn't fill Jordan Phillips role. Unless they expect to move Harrison Phillips to 3 tech? Would that work? Anyone? I always thought Phillips was too small to play 0-1 tech full time. As for 3 tech, I think he would be good enough to spell Oliver there. I'm all for going after Reader. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why? He's a true NT, maybe a 0 -1 tech. Doesn't fill Jordan Phillips role. Unless they expect to move Harrison Phillips to 3 tech? Would that work? Anyone? McDermott likes a deep bench on the defensive line. I could see them switching between Star and Reader with the intention of this being Star's last year. Phillips would be versatile depth. That's how I can possibly make sense of this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: McDermott likes a deep bench on the defensive line. I could see them switching between Star and Reader with the intention of this being Star's last year. Phillips would be versatile depth. That's how I can possibly make sense of this. I think they expect more out of Phillips than 'versatile depth', as they should from a 3rd round pick going into his 3rd season. Rotating two DLmen you're paying a total of $20-21M is ....odd, and might still leave us with a Jordan Phillips size hole at 3-tech rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why? He's a true NT, maybe a 0 -1 tech. Doesn't fill Jordan Phillips role. Unless they expect to move Harrison Phillips to 3 tech? Would that work? Anyone? Harrison Phillips was seen more as a nose tackle despite being undersized, because he's very stro0ng and his wrestling background gives him great understanding of hand usage and leverage. He was seen as having somewhat limited "burst" to get into the backfield and be disruptive. Before he was injured, however, he was working pretty hard to be more explosive. It's not out of the question for McDermott to think he's got some upside at 3 tech. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just now, TigerJ said: Harrison Phillips was seen more as a nose tackle despite being undersized, because he's very stro0ng and his wrestling background gives him great understanding of hand usage and leverage. He was seen as having somewhat limited "burst" to get into the backfield and be disruptive. Before he was injured, however, he was working pretty hard to be more explosive. It's not out of the question for McDermott to think he's got some upside at 3 tech. Fair enough, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Star’s contract prevents this from being a viable option IMO. I like Reader quite a bit but don’t think it’s realistic. Edited March 8, 2020 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 If they're thinking he's an upgrade over Star, then sure. As it stands, they have Star and Phillips at 1T and Oliver at 3T. So they need another 3T, and Reader ain't that. I know that Phillips is coming off an ACL tear, but he was a 3rd round pick just two years ago, was starting to come on last year and eat into Star's snaps, and they're not going to roster thee 1-techs. Again, I do think Reader is a superior player to Star, so if they have replacing him in mind, then great. I just find it hard to believe that they'd have asked him to take a pay cut rather than cutting him outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Seems like an odd use of the cap space, but he’d be a massive upgrade over Star and Aaron Wilson is very plugged in to everything Houston-related. Don’t think we can blow this report off though seems weird on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Star’s contract prevents this from being a viable option IMO. I like Reader quite a bit but don’t think it’s realistic. How so? They just moved the potential out in Star's contract through the 2021 season rather than 2020 season. I doubt they cut Star until after 2021, but that doesn't stop them from bringing in another 1-tech and looking into shifting Harry Phillip to 3-tech, which is what I think they should explore doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Bring on Reader. Move on from Star. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good. I'm surprised to learn this though: Jordan Phillips, Bills Although Phillips recorded 9 1/2 sacks, he had just 19 additional pressures. He can play defensive end or tackle. Anyone able to explain to me when/how Phillips showed he can play DE? I think they mean 34 end or 5 tech spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Reader and Clooney. Get an OT. Then draft a few WRs and a RB. Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I think they mean 34 end or 5 tech spot Oh, that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, that makes sense Yea he has the length at 6'5 6'6 and the quickness Only problem is he is best at attacking 1 gap not being a 5 tech 2 gap eater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 McDermott and Frazier are beasts at coaching / designing defensive schemes. If they want DJ Reader, so do I. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why? He's a true NT, maybe a 0 -1 tech. Doesn't fill Jordan Phillips role. Unless they expect to move Harrison Phillips to 3 tech? Would that work? Anyone? Maybe he would be an upgrade to Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why? He's a true NT, maybe a 0 -1 tech. Doesn't fill Jordan Phillips role. Unless they expect to move Harrison Phillips to 3 tech? Would that work? Anyone? I think Harrison may end up a 3. He is a gap shooter and is built for quick leverage and not a the bull that holds off blocks. Personally I don’t think Harrison is ever going to start for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I fully understand Buffalo’s interest in Reader, hence how everyone forgets how bad the run D was during portions of the year and Star was considered the main culprit............ and fan whipping boy. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Locomark said: I think Harrison may end up a 3. He is a gap shooter and is built for quick leverage and not a the bull that holds off blocks. Personally I don’t think Harrison is ever going to start for this team. I agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, Locomark said: I think Harrison may end up a 3. He is a gap shooter and is built for quick leverage and not a the bull that holds off blocks. Personally I don’t think Harrison is ever going to start for this team. Definitely right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Locomark said: I think Harrison may end up a 3. He is a gap shooter and is built for quick leverage and not a the bull that holds off blocks. Personally I don’t think Harrison is ever going to start for this team. He’s something between a 3-Tech and a penetrating 1 tech.... Kind of like Liuget. ?. 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I fully understand Buffalo’s interest in Reader, hence how everyone forgets how bad the run D was during portions of the year and Star was considered the main culprit............ and fan whipping boy. ? Bringing in Reader ,or Hargrave, would allow them to run a jumbo DT package. That’s a viable reason for McB to sniff around. Fritz Shurmur used to run zone blitz schemes with two NTs in several locations.... McD’s and Frazier’s mentor (Jim Johnson) was the D line coach for Shurmurs cardinals defenses. The schemes and ways to utilize personnel would be familiar to them. That’s something to consider here when we know we need to shore up the run D. Edited March 8, 2020 by Buffalo Junction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Star’s contract prevents this from being a viable option IMO. I like Reader quite a bit but don’t think it’s realistic. Agree. I'd love to dump Star and sign Reader but the contracts just don't make it possible. Some of us really wanted the Bills to draft Reader when he was coming out of college..... he would be another tough loss for GM O'Brien in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 If the Bills lose Jordan Phillips and Harrison Phillips returning from a ACL . Star contract just redone , Shaq unknown if re-sign , the DL could be a concern. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Players this young and talented don't usually hit the open market which is why the Bills should jump at the opportunity. Good job BOB and have fun resigning Watson and Tunsil to record deals while having no 1st round picks this year or next. Having Fluker and Star rotate in will only help Oliver and whoever replaces Jordan Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 dont see this happening, I meanafter you keep Dawkins, Milano, White and pay Tremaine and Josh next season ? Ever hear of a budget ? Live and die by the draft and coaching them up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 6 hours ago, njbuff said: I fully understand Buffalo’s interest in Reader, hence how everyone forgets how bad the run D was during portions of the year and Star was considered the main culprit............ and fan whipping boy. ? "Fan whipping boy" and "main culprit" are 2 different things. People who watch All 22 would tell you one of these is correct, and shockingly it's not the fans. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, ALF said: If the Bills lose Jordan Phillips and Harrison Phillips returning from a ACL . Star contract just redone , Shaq unknown if re-sign , the DL could be a concern. Jordan Philips isn’t coming back and Star is getting cut after this season. This would be a great move 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 build the team from the trenches. after this year star is likely gone right so his salary off the books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 hours ago, PIZ said: Reader and Clooney. Get an OT. Then draft a few WRs and a RB. Super Bowl. I don't know about George Clooney. He's kind of old and has probably never played DE in his life. I don't see it 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Also Trent Murphy is definitely gone next year and possibly this year and this will be Jerry Hughes last year with the Bills. Shoring up DL for future is key. They are not signing Clowney. I’m hoping they resign Shaq and draft Espensa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 10 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Move on from Star. Not likely this year, where Star's contract is now fully guaranteed for 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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