Redskins give Trent Williams the green light to seek trade.

[billsfan89]

Although I like Williams I think he might be damaged goods at this point.  I think of him more as a reclamation project as opposed to someone who would be worth giving up both significant draft compensation and a big contract for. I think if he only cost you draft picks or cap dollars he might be worth a chance but I don't see it working out advantageously for the Bills. Overall I would say that the Bills are better off resigning Spain to a modest deal and keeping the O-line together or kicking Ford into guard and signing a vet RT in free agency. 

[Doc Brown]

My prediction is the Bills draft their starting right tackle in the 1st round, extend Dawkins, and kick Ford to LG.  I doubt Beane puts that much money into two tackles.

 

We go WR in the 2nd.  DE and SLB will be addressed in free agency and in the later rounds of the draft for depth.

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

31 years old. Last year of current contract. If

you give him a new contract it isn’t going to be super long term or lucrative enough to hamper what you want to do with Dawkins, White, Milano or Josh. 
 

the only way I am in on this if I know he will play RT and not complain. And actually knows his value is no longer too money. 

 

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t think I want the Bills in on this unless t won’t require a new contract and he will play RT. 

 

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

That is my thing. The contract wouldn’t be bad IMO I think it would be something like Spencer Long. Club options maybe put his 2020 salary at guaranteed 18M. have a 3 or 4 year deal that is essentially a 2 year deal. Gives you two years to groom Ford as a RT or find another one. 
 

 key is if he is willing to play RT

Why in the world would a perennial All Pro LT want to play RT? I'd love to see him at LT while moving Dawkins to RT. As mentioned Dawkins is an average and serviceable LT but Williams is a far superior player. His age and the desire to be the highest paid LT plus the fact a team will have to give up at least a 2nd rounder will not help his cause. Williams and Dawkins as bookends with Morse at C and Ford and Feliciano at G is a beautiful fantasy.

[ALF]

The Bills already have a good LT

[Cripple Creek]

13 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t think I want the Bills in on this unless t won’t require a new contract and he will play RT. 

What exactly does this mean?  To me, it is the Redskins way of saying "hello NFL GM's. If you are interested in overpaying for Williams he is available."

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

What exactly does this mean?  To me, it is the Redskins way of saying "hello NFL GM's. If you are interested in overpaying for Williams he is available."

means I don’t want Williams unless he realizes he isnt getting big money at this point in his career and if he is not interested in playing on the Right Side. 

9 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

 

 

Why in the world would a perennial All Pro LT want to play RT? I'd love to see him at LT while moving Dawkins to RT. As mentioned Dawkins is an average and serviceable LT but Williams is a far superior player. His age and the desire to be the highest paid LT plus the fact a team will have to give up at least a 2nd rounder will not help his cause. Williams and Dawkins as bookends with Morse at C and Ford and Feliciano at G is a beautiful fantasy.

he has been an All Pro ONE Time in his career. That really isn’t perennial. 2015 he was a 2nd team all Pro. You are now 5 years removed from that and will be over a year in actually playing football. 

[Cripple Creek]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

means I don’t want Williams unless he realizes he isnt getting big money at this point in his career and if he is not interested in playing on the Right Side. 

no no no, what does it mean when Washington says he can  seek a trade?  (it means nothing)

 

Not a swipe/question for you, just a silly announcement.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Augie said:

She either messed up, or was brilliant by not preparing him for the Wonderlic test. His 13 was a clear indication that he did NOT focus on preparation for that. Not saying that’s why he fell, but there were some concerns. 

 

I think they didn't want Lamar to go to a losing team or a team in disarray.  It wasn't just the Wonderlic, there were some social media posts around the draft that were questionable.  Lamar sitting around with guys who were acting stoned, listening to rap lyrics sort of stuff. 

 

But that's just my opinion.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t think I want the Bills in on this unless t won’t require a new contract and he will play RT. 

the dude hasn’t played in over a year and has head issues. Literally 

 

 

[MAJBobby]

30 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

no no no, what does it mean when Washington says he can  seek a trade?  (it means nothing)

 

Not a swipe/question for you, just a silly announcement.

 

They also interviews Trent Williams, and asked will he be back in Washington and he said no

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

the dude hasn’t played in over a year and has head issues. Literally 

 

 

And those are the reasons why I think Compensation would be able to be relatively cheap.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And those are the reasons why I think Compensation would be able to be relatively cheap.

he doesn’t want cheap.  He wants too dollar

[MAJBobby]

11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

he doesn’t want cheap.  He wants too dollar

 

You know this how?  Has he said he wouldn't accept a 10M AAV?  and my cheap is in terms of compensation that would be required to the Skins.  He will NEVER play another down for them, the league knows this.  So everyday he is on their roster the compensation back keeps falling.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I thought I remember hearing that this was tried and didn't work out well.  Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I thought I recall that Dawkins isn't as good on the right side of the line.

 

I actually looked up gamelogs last night .  I found one game in 2017 where Dawkins was listed as RT but I think it was an error because so was Jordan Mills, there was no one else listed as LT, and both Mills and Dawkins were shown as playing 100% of the snaps.  So

 

Maybe in preseason of 2017 or something but I don't recall.  There was talk about maybe Dawkins should move to RT last preseason with everyone coming in, but he put that to rest pretty quickly not by being a bad RT, but by making it clear he was the best LT of the lot of 'em.

[chris heff]

16 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Lamar’s mommy doesn’t like being left out! 

Yeah “Lamar’s mommy” is dumb. Moving her family when he was in high school so he would play QB was dumb. Going to Louisville to continue playing QB was dumb. Not paying an agent to negotiate a slotted NFL rookie contract dumb.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Yeah “Lamar’s mommy” is dumb. Moving her family when he was in high school so he would play QB was dumb. Going to Louisville to continue playing QB was dumb. Not paying an agent to negotiate a slotted NFL rookie contract dumb.

 

She is apparently a private person, or there would be a tear-jerker docudrama about their whole lives.

[hjnick]

18 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t think I want the Bills in on this unless t won’t require a new contract and he will play RT. 

 

What do you have to give up to trade for him??  I'm sure Wash is looking for ALOT more than what I'm willing to give for him.

 

How much will he want in a new contract?? Again, not sure he would be worth it.

 

Finally, dude had head problems and couldn't put on a helmet... Yikes!

 

I'd say pass. 

[BarleyNY]

Probably not in the cards for the Bills for a number of reasons.  The most important one is that you don’t displace a good, young LT for an expensive elite one at the end of his career.  You just pay you good one and move forward.

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

means I don’t want Williams unless he realizes he isnt getting big money at this point in his career and if he is not interested in playing on the Right Side. 

he has been an All Pro ONE Time in his career. That really isn’t perennial. 2015 he was a 2nd team all Pro. You are now 5 years removed from that and will be over a year in actually playing football. 

Fine. If you want to nitpick my post. Can we at least agree that:

1. He is a 7x PB'er

 

2. He was a AP 2nd team All Pro, but has made All Pro in other venues like the Sporting News and PFF 4 other times.

 

3. He is more talented and a serious upgrade over Dawkins.

 

4. His age and desire to be the highest paid is hurting his campaign.

 

5. Unless his demands change drastically he will not be a Buffalo Bill 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Fine. If you want to nitpick my post. Can we at least agree that:

1. He is a 7x PB'er

 

2. He was a AP 2nd team All Pro, but has made All Pro in other venues like the Sporting News and PFF 4 other times.

 

3. He is more talented and a serious upgrade over Dawkins.

 

4. His age and desire to be the highest paid is hurting his campaign.

 

5. Unless his demands change drastically he will not be a Buffalo Bill 

 

And that is FINE

[Reed83HOF]

 

[BillsMafi$]

Jets Pursuing Williams

[H2o]

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/82466/jets-paint-themselves-into-a-cornerback-can-they-buy-their-way-out

Quote

 

3. Say no to Trent Williams: The Jets will monitor the Trent Williams situation, but I would be surprised if they trade for the disgruntled Redskins star. The Jets have been there, done that with aging linemen (see: Ryan Kalil and Kelechi Osemele) and it didn't work out.

Williams, who will turn 32 in July, is seeking an extension (he is signed for 2020) that will pay him $20 million per year, according to reporting by ESPN's John Keim. That's crazy money. Unless they can get Williams for a mid-round pick and his existing contract ($12.5 million), the Jets should pass and look for their left tackle in the draft.

 

Trent Williams is looking for $20,000,000 per season? 

[Bangarang]

He’s never played for the Panthers so I wouldn’t count on us having interest

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

He’s never played for the Panthers so I wouldn’t count on us having interest

Yeah, kind of like John Brown, Cole Beasley, and almost every other player we signed last off-season.

[NewEra]

So a team has to give up draft picks.....and pay 20 mill and year....for a 32 year old LT.....coming off injury and failed physicals.

 

he’s good.  He’s not that good 

[Gambit]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Yeah, kind of like John Brown, Cole Beasley, and almost every other player we signed last off-season.

I think you missed the sarcasm bud

[BillsMafia13]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yeah, kind of like John Brown, Cole Beasley, and almost every other player we signed last off-season.

Check the sarcasm settings on your computer. I think they’re broke

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yeah, kind of like John Brown, Cole Beasley, and almost every other player we signed last off-season.

Whooosh

[Alphadawg7]

I don’t see this happening.  They are quite happy with Dawkins and plan to keep him.  And Trent doesn’t play RT.  Don’t Beane spending a draft asset to get a 31 year old LT to play RT and also pay him when he can draft an actual RT or sign one in FA if they feel a need to upgrade competition for Ford.

[MiltonWaddams]

This thread should almost be OT. The likelihood of Trent Williams joining the Bills could not be lower. He has been an incredible LT as recently as 2018, but he has been hurt and sat out his age 31 season. He would require draft capital to acquire, something our very wise FO is loathe to do. He also is redundant with our current OL most needing a RT. I think we can curb this thread. 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Gambit said:

I think you missed the sarcasm bud

 

3 hours ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Check the sarcasm settings on your computer. I think they’re broke

 

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Whooosh

 

And yet we see this exact sentiment all the time.

[MAJBobby]

So with the reports he wants 20M a year. My answer will be a hard no for the Bills.  If I am Paying big money to a OT I am just going to sign Conklin.

 

 

Edited March 10, 2020 by MAJBobby

[BeastMaster]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So with the reports he wants 20M a year. My answer will be a hard no for the Bills. 

Don't see any team dealing for that unless it's a 4th/5th rounder.

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So with the reports he wants 20M a year. My answer will be a hard no for the Bills. 

Pretty sure the combination of what Washington wants in draft compensation and what Williams is looking for in a contract will equal him playing out his deal where he is.  If he was turning 26 and a picture of health it’d be a different situation.

[papazoid]

steep.....but would pay it in a heartbeat

 

if i'm going to splurge...it's on a 7x perennial all pro LT

 

move dawkins to RT......move ford to OG.....now you got something......

 

both your passing and run game just got better

[MAJBobby]

36 minutes ago, papazoid said:

steep.....but would pay it in a heartbeat

 

if i'm going to splurge...it's on a 7x perennial all pro LT

 

move dawkins to RT......move ford to OG.....now you got something......

 

both your passing and run game just got better

 

When was the last time he actually played football?  Heck even put a helmet on.  And BTW he isn't a 7x All Pro.  Only been an All Pro ONCE

[Bulldog]

On ‎3‎/‎5‎/‎2020 at 5:29 PM, TheProcess said:

Maybe you can debate whether he handled the situation appropriately, but saying he wouldn’t fit in culturally here is a bit presumptive. The guy had a legitimate beef with how they handled his medical situation. Yeah, I’m sure he wants a re-worked contract too, but to say he’s not process enough for the Bills is a little unfair. The guy kept his mouth shut and played for a mediocre to awful team for most of his career. I think he’d fit in fine here. I’m just not sure he’d want to play right tackle. 

 

I agree - the issue about this will be that his contract demands & positional demands will make likely make the possible acquisition of Williams a "no go" from the start for the Bills. I also do not agree that Williams would not be a "process guy" - it seems the situation with him in Washington was more the result of the horrendous Redskins franchise than anything about Williams personally.  However -- as it stands we are a little short on guys named "Williams" on the team right now - perhaps adding him could move us back up closer our normal complement of Williams'.  

[BarleyNY]

This should’ve occurred to me before, but it’s entirely possible that Williams’ agent is throwing out a big contract number for some reasons beyond necessarily demanding it:

- It might be an attempt to drive down the trade demands from Washington. 

- He might have a preference of where or what kind of team he wants to play for and the $20M number might be for the undesirable teams.  An “If you’re going to send me to Siberia I’ll do it for $20M a year, but I’ll take considerably less to chase a ring.” kind of thing.

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

This should’ve occurred to me before, but it’s entirely possible that Williams’ agent is throwing out a big contract number for some reasons beyond necessarily demanding it:

- It might be an attempt to drive down the trade demands from Washington. 

- He might have a preference of where or what kind of team he wants to play for and the $20M number might be for the undesirable teams.  An “If you’re going to send me to Siberia I’ll do it for $20M a year, but I’ll take considerably less to chase a ring.” kind of thing.

I doubt it, Trent knows his next contract likely his last big money type deal. Personally his injury history and way he sat out last year puts a bad taste in my mouth. That said I could see him going to New England for a 2nd and do them well. Who knows with Brady not being there they might be able to pony up the money he wants. 

[BillsMafia13]

On 3/9/2020 at 3:50 PM, MJS said:

 

 

 

And yet we see this exact sentiment all the time.

So what’s your reason?