dbfla10 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Often times players this late in the draft have a 2nd round grade. Is this the year to trade it for a young proven player. Who in your opinion would be that young player that is worth it? Could get a good player from a cap strapped team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Often times players this late in the draft have a 2nd round grade. Is this the year to trade it for a young proven player. Who in your opinion would be that young player that is worth it? Could get a good player from a cap strapped team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Often times players this late in the draft have a 2nd round grade. Is this the year to trade it for a young proven player. Who in your opinion would be that young player that is worth it? Could get a good player from a cap strapped team. I would consider it for Diggs or Golladay, but also don't really think we would need to offer more than a 2nd for them. I would do it for sure if some top end player at DE or WR was obtainable. But, looking round the league, there isn't really anyone I can think of that is likely to be available that would be worthy of our first round pick. Wonder if the Bears would ever consider trading Khalil Mack. Their cap situation sucks, and their QB situation is worse. They aren't going anywhere the way that team is currently built. I seriously doubt they would trade Mack, but he is a guy I would at least make a call about if I was Beane. Then again, I thought there was no way Raiders would trade him either lol, so who knows. Edited February 19, 2020 by Alphadawg7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I disagree that "often times players this late in the draft have a 2nd round grade". The bottom third of the first round is an excellent spot to pick up OLers, especially guards and centers. With RBs being seriously discounted in this era, great RBs can be had there, and there are a couple in this draft class. Certainly great CBs and Ss can be found in this area, too. Teams get into problems when they decide that they NEED to draft a QB or WR or DE in the first round, and settle for a lesser prospect at a specific position rather than taking a much better prospect at another position -- and that can happen at any spot in the draft. The classic Bills blunder in this manner occurred in 2009 when the Bills, with the #11 pick, took bust Aaron Maybin because they needed an edge rusher while leaving much better prospects like Brian Orapko and Clay Matthews on the board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: ... Wonder if the Bears would ever consider trading Khalil Mack. Their cap situation sucks, and their QB situation is worse. They aren't going anywhere the way that team is currently built. I seriously doubt they would trade Mack, but he is a guy I would at least make a call about if I was Beane. Then again, I thought there was no way Raiders would trade him either lol, so who knows. there is a report out there that they have offered Mack for the 'Skins #2 overall. https://twitter.com/DanSileoShow/status/1226634414534221825 Edited February 19, 2020 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Tre'Davious White was ranked by some of the big media guys as the fourth or fifth corner coming out and selected with the 27th pick of the first round. Now what's the problem with selecting where we are again? 4 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Foxx said: there is a report out there that they have offered Mack for the 'Skins #2 overall. https://twitter.com/DanSileoShow/status/1226634414534221825 Not a chance of this. The Bears would have to want to trade Mack so badly that they actually absorb an additional $4M cap hit over and above Mack’s $26M hit just to trade him—and that’s AFTER trading 2 first round picks for him and giving him $132M. Just no. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Foxx said: there is a report out there that they have offered Mack for the 'Skins #2 overall. https://twitter.com/DanSileoShow/status/1226634414534221825 It would be a smart move for Chicago (as in OAK, Khalil is a great player that doesn't bring a lot of value to the team he is on), but I don't see Washington giving up #2 for anything but a boatload of picks from a team looking to move up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Foxx said: there is a report out there that they have offered Mack for the 'Skins #2 overall. https://twitter.com/DanSileoShow/status/1226634414534221825 This guy is a complete hack. How he got a checkmark is beyond me. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, Foxx said: there is a report out there that they have offered Mack for the 'Skins #2 overall. https://twitter.com/DanSileoShow/status/1226634414534221825 Non-starter. Mack is 30 years old. Bears would have to throw in their first rounder this year, as well, and maybe more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: Not a chance of this. The Bears would have to want to trade Mack so badly that they actually absorb an additional $4M cap hit over and above Mack’s $26M hit just to trade him—and that’s AFTER trading 2 first round picks for him and giving him $132M. Just no. The Bears are a trainwreck of an organization. It'd be hard for any team to have success selling the farm for Mack like that, you'd really have to hit on nearly every remaining draft pick you didn't trade away. But then they also tied their hopes to Mitch, not to mention traded more draft assets to needlessly move up 1 spot for that right. This is not how contenders are built. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Foxx said: there is a report out there that they have offered Mack for the 'Skins #2 overall. https://twitter.com/DanSileoShow/status/1226634414534221825 Wow, good find. Thanks for that. I cant see the Skins going that direction instead of taking Chase Young given the contract size differences and Young is probably the best prospect in the whole draft. But, good indication that Chicago is desperate to fix the QB situation. I doubt our #22 pick is going to move the needle enough for them in their quest for a QB at top of draft, but if I am Beane I am making the call to inquire. We can absorb his salary no problem. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 If I could get Khalil Mack for that pick or even that pick and an additional 3rd I would do it in a minute. We could have him for two years and 30 million which would be a steak for guy of his caliber but the Bears would have to admit that they royally screwed the pooch to do that and GMs rarely last who admit that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, SoTier said: I disagree that "often times players this late in the draft have a 2nd round grade". The bottom third of the first round is an excellent spot to pick up OLers, especially guards and centers. With RBs being seriously discounted in this era, great RBs can be had there, and there are a couple in this draft class. Certainly great CBs and Ss can be found in this area, too. Teams get into problems when they decide that they NEED to draft a QB or WR or DE in the first round, and settle for a lesser prospect at a specific position rather than taking a much better prospect at another position -- and that can happen at any spot in the draft. The classic Bills blunder in this manner occurred in 2009 when the Bills, with the #11 pick, took bust Aaron Maybin because they needed an edge rusher while leaving much better prospects like Brian Orapko and Clay Matthews on the board. I'll see your Aaron Maybin and raise you Mike Williams! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: If I could get Khalil Mack for that pick or even that pick and an additional 3rd I would do it in a minute. We could have him for two years and 30 million which would be a steak for guy of his caliber but the Bears would have to admit that they royally screwed the pooch to do that and GMs rarely last who admit that. What kind of steak? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Not of fan of trading the pick.....would be willing to trade picks from 2nd round on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I would consider it for Diggs or Golladay, but also don't really think we would need to offer more than a 2nd for them. I would do it for sure if some top end player at DE or WR was obtainable. But, looking round the league, there isn't really anyone I can think of that is likely to be available that would be worthy of our first round pick. Wonder if the Bears would ever consider trading Khalil Mack. Their cap situation sucks, and their QB situation is worse. They aren't going anywhere the way that team is currently built. I seriously doubt they would trade Mack, but he is a guy I would at least make a call about if I was Beane. Then again, I thought there was no way Raiders would trade him either lol, so who knows. I'd do first for Golladay or Mack, 2nd or a combo of 2nd and something else for Diggs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Tre White was the 27th pick, if we have a good option wouldn't you rather pick someone of that caliber than trade for an older version? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, Billzgobowlin said: Tre White was the 27th pick, if we have a good option wouldn't you rather pick someone of that caliber than trade for an older version? You do realize that getting a pro bowler at the 27th pick is NOT the norm....right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 JuJu Smith- Schuster... He's 21 I believe still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, John from Riverside said: You do realize that getting a pro bowler at the 27th pick is NOT the norm....right? That's why I said if there's a good option. I think I would put my faith in developing someone into the system rather than trading for someone that might not fit in. They have shown the ability to draft well and develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said: That's why I said if there's a good option. I think I would put my faith in developing someone into the system rather than trading for someone that might not fit in. They have shown the ability to draft well and develop. I guess the problem with this is we are in a position now where we are no longer rebiulding......we are a playoff contender. Do we really have the time to "develop" right now? We need difference makers......like NOW That is why I want to get a good vet and draft a guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I would consider it for Diggs or Golladay, but also don't really think we would need to offer more than a 2nd for them. I would do it for sure if some top end player at DE or WR was obtainable. But, looking round the league, there isn't really anyone I can think of that is likely to be available that would be worthy of our first round pick. Wonder if the Bears would ever consider trading Khalil Mack. Their cap situation sucks, and their QB situation is worse. They aren't going anywhere the way that team is currently built. I seriously doubt they would trade Mack, but he is a guy I would at least make a call about if I was Beane. Then again, I thought there was no way Raiders would trade him either lol, so who knows. Get Mack back to Buffalo! Mack is exactly what we need. Offer them pick 22. Sweeten the pot if that is not enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I'll see your Aaron Maybin and raise you Mike Williams! Now that is stiff competition right there, ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Keep the pick and hope that Beane gets it right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, ocemur said: Tre'Davious White was ranked by some of the big media guys as the fourth or fifth corner coming out and selected with the 27th pick of the first round. Now what's the problem with selecting where we are again? Win. Keep that pick, choose well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I prefer to keep our first rd pick and still get a player of equal caliber by giving up a 2nd-6th rd pick/s.......but if there’s a player that McB sees as a vital piece, so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Wow, good find. Thanks for that. I cant see the Skins going that direction instead of taking Chase Young given the contract size differences and Young is probably the best prospect in the whole draft. But, good indication that Chicago is desperate to fix the QB situation. I doubt our #22 pick is going to move the needle enough for them in their quest for a QB at top of draft, but if I am Beane I am making the call to inquire. We can absorb his salary no problem. 22 and Trent for Mack if need be. 20% of the Bears salary cap is tied up in edge with Leonard Floyd and Mack. So therefore, I think Mack might not even cost that much. He only had 4 sacks and 1 forced fumble after week 4 last year. Chicago would shed much cap, so we are helping them out too. I love the idea of adding David Johnson, taking on his cap, and adding draft pick, and adding Mack. One great play maker on offense, one great play maker on defense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Keep the pick and hope that Beane gets it right this time. Gets it right "this" time? As if he has been not getting it right? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 *****, while we are at it, send a 2nd for Diggs. 3 play makers, two 3's(one for DJ), 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 It's not a given with Beane but i don't see him giving up his #1 pick especially when there area as many good WR & pass rush players coming out 1 of them will be here when it comes time to pull the trigger & if their guy isn't there & he see's it as a reach then he may but not thinkin so . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, dbfla10 said: Often times players this late in the draft have a 2nd round grade. Is this the year to trade it for a young proven player. Who in your opinion would be that young player that is worth it? Could get a good player from a cap strapped team. I think what you're talking about is similar to something Beane has said, that they may only have 15-20 players in a year on whom they have a first round grade. The thing is, different talent evaluators on different teams inevitably have both overlap and differences, so the chances are pretty good that when the Bills pick, there will still be undrafted players they have on their board as first round grades even if they only have 12-15 first round grades. I personally think Beane would rather trade away his left nut* than a first round draft pick. He feels his staff does a good job at talent e v a l and a first round pick is a chance to get a difference maker for 4 years of reasonable cap hit. He won't give that away for a "good player". It would have to be someone he perceives as a generational difference maker - a Bosa/Watt in his prime/Khalil Mack type guy. *and just to clarify, no personal knowledge but I'm pretty sure he does value that part of himself quite highly 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, ocemur said: Tre'Davious White was ranked by some of the big media guys as the fourth or fifth corner coming out and selected with the 27th pick of the first round. Now what's the problem with selecting where we are again? Beane's drafting has been pretty good even deep in the draft. I agree, the #22 pick is not a throwaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 While you can get an all pro or a bust with any pick in any round, I would definitely trade a bottom third 1st rounder for a known quantity at an age that gives me a possibility of at least five seasons of prime production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Wow, good find. Thanks for that. I cant see the Skins going that direction instead of taking Chase Young given the contract size differences and Young is probably the best prospect in the whole draft. But, good indication that Chicago is desperate to fix the QB situation. I doubt our #22 pick is going to move the needle enough for them in their quest for a QB at top of draft, but if I am Beane I am making the call to inquire. We can absorb his salary no problem. 35 minutes ago, Pete said: Get Mack back to Buffalo! Mack is exactly what we need. Offer them pick 22. Sweeten the pot if that is not enough This will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Foxx said: there is a report out there that they have offered Mack for the 'Skins #2 overall. https://twitter.com/DanSileoShow/status/1226634414534221825 Yeah, OK.....this is from February 9th and there's nothing more about it in this guy's feed. I'm thinking his "source" sobered up and said "Actually, Nah". 13 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: While you can get an all pro or a bust with any pick in any round, I would definitely trade a bottom third 1st rounder for a known quantity at an age that gives me a possibility of at least five seasons of prime production. I get it that's how a lot of folks feel and I understand the % of 1st round picks who do not work out. I'm just saying how I personally believe Beane thinks about it: a good "known quantity" isn't enough, he would want a multi-probowl difference-making player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Not of fan of trading the pick.....would be willing to trade picks from 2nd round on ...NEITHER is Beane...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Would love to get what we gave up to trade up to 22 for Losman. 2 and 5 this year and that 1st round pick next year. If Herbert or Love are still there maybe someone will take the deal and I can finally let that trade go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: Keep the pick and hope that Beane gets it right this time. 2 thoughts here: 1) what 1st round pick hasn’t Beane gotten right in your opinion? 2) if Beane has a track record of not getting it right, doesn’t it make more sense to trade said pick for a known commodity? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, OK.....this is from February 9th and there's nothing more about it in this guy's feed. I'm thinking his "source" sobered up and said "Actually, Nah". I get it that's how a lot of folks feel and I understand the % of 1st round picks who do not work out. I'm just saying how I personally believe Beane thinks about it: a good "known quantity" isn't enough, he would want a multi-probowl difference-making player. Agreed. It’s what I meant by “known quantity” bot I should’ve said elite difference maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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