Bermuda Triangle Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Don't be critical of other quarterbacks! Only the Bills' quarterback should be criticized! I know you're being sarcastic, but it seems that many here think and post that way. Rather pathetic, IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: This is such a stupid thing to try and be critical of someone for. Hold the line! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I wish I could find that thread. It was far more than just random Trolls. People wanted mahomes to fail so they could be right. And you thought Jackson would be MVP this year? Sure didn’t. Where did I say that? How am I supposed to feel about him winning it? You let me know, that way I know that you approve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Imagine this thread if Jackson had scored 28 points in that competition. "We should have drafted Jackson!" "We gave up too much for Allen." The Bills off-season is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Don't be critical of other quarterbacks! Only the Bills' quarterback should be criticized! You realize how silly this sounds right? You guys are ones criticizing the MVP of the league. If this was reversed and it was Allen, you would be losing your minds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: You’re deflecting. I said if Allen performs close to a MVP level, I will be praising him instead of trying to put down his accomplishments like some are doing with Jackson. Shoot, I was ready to praise Allen for his first half against the Texans and then the second half happened. I'm not deflecting. Jackson had a great year.I detailed it in my post. He didn't play well in the playoff game. Period. Yet, you refust to admit it and throw stats around like 508 yards of offense and 9 trips into Tenn territory. Totally misrepresents his play. You can make the exact same argument for Allen in his playoff game and you don't. They had nearly identical yards per play and Allen had 356 yards of offense with 24 less touches and still managed to get into Houston territory 8 times. So, using your same logic, he should be considered to have had a decent game. Allen did not have a great second half. Jackson wasn't particularly good in any of his game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You realize how silly this sounds right? You guys are ones criticizing the MVP of the league. If this was reversed and it was Allen, you would be losing your minds. I have to read your ilk's 300 yard game drivel constantly throughout the season and I'm still sane. Trust me, your immediate defense of other quarterbacks and your positions on Allen are remarkably consistent. And telling. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So because of the Titans game, it outweighs all the good performances he had this year, including nearly beating both SB teams? Nearly beating! Fine me ONE SINGLE POST this dude has ever written giving Allen credit for 'nearly' doing something LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Nearly beating! Fine me ONE SINGLE POST this dude has ever written giving Allen credit for 'nearly' doing something LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO He did say he was ready to praise Allen for his first half in the Houston game. I guess he just couldn't bring himself to quite say it.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I wish I could find that thread. It was far more than just random Trolls. People wanted mahomes to fail so they could be right. And you thought Jackson would be MVP this year? This is hilarious. No one holds these posters accountable, but they love yelling “hindsight!” Whenever they are backed into a corner with solid results. Even winning the MVP won’t make people admit they were wrong. 14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I have to read your ilk's 300 yard game drivel constantly throughout the season and I'm still sane. Trust me, your immediate defense of other quarterbacks and your positions on Allen are remarkably consistent. And telling. He really shouldn’t have to defend Jackson and Mahomes, their results should more than speak for themselves. But here we are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm not deflecting. Jackson had a great year.I detailed it in my post. He didn't play well in the playoff game. Period. Yet, you refust to admit it and throw stats around like 508 yards of offense and 9 trips into Tenn territory. Totally misrepresents his play. You can make the exact same argument for Allen in his playoff game and you don't. They had nearly identical yards per play and Allen had 356 yards of offense with 24 less touches and still managed to get into Houston territory 8 times. So, using your same logic, he should be considered to have had a decent game. Allen did not have a great second half. Jackson wasn't particularly good in any of his game. I generally agree with all of this. That first half of the Texans game, given the stage, was the most impressed I have ever been with Allen. There were some crazy moments in the 2nd half that kinda left me with those some questions, but I didn’t hate his game. I just need more and more consistency. I just felt Jackson is one if those guys people love to bash. All I know is I’ve seen a guy who consistently seems to dominate no matter what level he is on. I believe Allen has the better arm but when you look at their careers, both in college and the pros, Jackson has been the much better player. Hopefully Allen will get there. But I just think this is just people trying to right about a guy in literally one of the dumbest situations ever. And feel free to call me out if I freak out about a preseason game or practice in regards to Allen. Have a good one. ? 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: This is hilarious. No one holds these posters accountable, but they love yelling “hindsight!” Whenever they are backed into a corner with solid results. Even winning the MVP won’t make people admit they were wrong. He really shouldn’t have to defend Jackson and Mahomes, their results should more than speak for themselves. But here we are Haha. Keep it coming. Clearly the guy talking about the MVP is the delusional one and not the ones talking about a pro bowl competition. 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: He did say he was ready to praise Allen for his first half in the Houston game. I guess he just couldn't bring himself to quite say it.... I mean he wasn’t good in the second half. I know you make every excuse for him but he wasn’t. That said, he had some good moments and some terrible ones. harder schedule next year (on paper), could have some losses in defense, hopefully add some weapons, and hopefully he takes a step forward. We will see. But what will really matter is how he does in the pro bowl accuracy contest. Then I will determine who good he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Embarrassing? I don’t think so. Stupid? Yes The only embarrassment I see is the Pro Bowl itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chemical said: This is hilarious. No one holds these posters accountable, but they love yelling “hindsight!” Whenever they are backed into a corner with solid results. Even winning the MVP won’t make people admit they were wrong. He really shouldn’t have to defend Jackson and Mahomes, their results should more than speak for themselves. But here we are See if I was going to go the route the 'Allen sux' folks like to I'd just throw something out like 2019 MVP quarterback Jackson- 26th in attempts, 28th in yards/game but we all know that using selective stats to prove a point is dumb...don't we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: This has almost as much importance as the Interceptions that Tyrod Taylor tossed during the actual game. Hell I didn't even bash Tyrod for those picks and I wanted him gone you think Jackson’s gonna be worse than Tyrod as a postseason Qb ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: People want to be right about him so bad! people ARE right about him. Time will bear that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chemical said: This is hilarious. No one holds these posters accountable, but they love yelling “hindsight!” Whenever they are backed into a corner with solid results. Even winning the MVP won’t make people admit they were wrong. He really shouldn’t have to defend Jackson and Mahomes, their results should more than speak for themselves. But here we are Mahomes is evident. Great QB. Can make all the throws. He's playing in the super bowl. Jackson is a completely different story. He's a gifted runner and an ok passer. People rightfully project that his style of play is not sustainable. He has shown twice now in playoff games that he can be defended effectively and neautralized. People are completely justified in wondering about how his career will turn out. But yes, he had a great year. Just like Cam Newton had a great year when he got MVP, except he got his team to the Superbowl and is a better passer than Jackson, in my opinion (although he is pretty inaccurate himself). I don't know how Jackson's career will pan out. But I do know at some point he'll have to prove himself as a passer when his running ability diminishes or is taken away by defenses. Maybe he'll do just that. Cam Newton got better as a passer. Russell Wilson did, to the point now that he is a great passer. Maybe Jackson will do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You realize how silly this sounds right? You guys are ones criticizing the MVP of the league. If this was reversed and it was Allen, you would be losing your minds. “you realize how silly this sounds right! You guys are ones criticizing the rookie of the year!” - C.Biscuit on Vince Young in 2006. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 40 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You realize how silly this sounds right? You guys are ones criticizing the MVP of the league. If this was reversed and it was Allen, you would be losing your minds. Clearly you don't realize that people aren't even discussing the pro bowl skills challenge. They laughed about it and then started immediately talking about other aspects of Jackson's career so far. You are pretty much the only one going back to that. But since you do, Allen would have gotten more than 2 points. Unless they didn't let him compete because they wanted to give Jarvis Landry another go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, MJS said: Clearly you don't realize that people aren't even discussing the pro bowl skills challenge. They laughed about it and then started immediately talking about other aspects of Jackson's career so far. You are pretty much the only one going back to that. But since you do, Allen would have gotten more than 2 points. Unless they didn't let him compete because they wanted to give Jarvis Landry another go. Oh, he 100% knows. This is deflection 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Too bad the NFL is more than a competition standing around throwing the ball at targets or how far you can throw it. Love how if someone posted Allen completion % folks would be all over how there is more to it than that, etc. Yet Jackson the league MVP does bad in target practice and its he sucks, next year will be different etc. Guy still completed 66% of his passes so obviously he can hit targets in a real game setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Oh, he 100% knows. This is deflection 101. Yep. Strawman arguments over and over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 i heard lamar jackson only scored 2 points in his pro bowl skills competition. is that true? i'm honestly impressed no one has called anyone a racist yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, teef said: i heard lamar jackson only scored 2 points in his pro bowl skills competition. is that true? i'm honestly impressed no one has called anyone a racist yet. saving it for you, Teef. You racist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Too bad the NFL is more than a competition standing around throwing the ball at targets or how far you can throw it. Love how if someone posted Allen completion % folks would be all over how there is more to it than that, etc. Yet Jackson the league MVP does bad in target practice and its he sucks, next year will be different etc. Guy still completed 66% of his passes so obviously he can hit targets in a real game setting. Strawman argument. Nobody is arguing that. And nobody said he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: saving it for you, Teef. You racist! i'm more of a hardcore stereotyper than a racist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, MJS said: And then they had Jarvis Landry do it. Why the heck is he competing in the passing portion? He sucked too (obviously), but at least he scored more than Jackson. I heard that Jarvis has been to 5 straight pro bowls. What!? No way he deserves that. In the last 5 seasons Landry's worst year is 81 catches for 976 yards He also had 112 and 110 catch years in that span It's probably because he is a volume catcher Edited January 24, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, teef said: i heard lamar jackson only scored 2 points in his pro bowl skills competition. is that true? We're not supposed to talk about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, MJS said: We're not supposed to talk about it... i completely understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: people ARE right about him. Time will bear that out. I get your point, and history indicates that Jackson’s style of play won’t last long in the NFL. I wouldn’t bet money on him being a franchise QB for years, but I also wouldn’t bet against it. The league is changing, Manning, Roethlisberger, and Brady no longer dominate the AFC. There is an opening for QB’s to be successful. Mahomes is in a league of his own, and everyone below him has an opportunity to lead a successful team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 JJ Watt would have had a perfect score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) I think it's likely we already saw Jackson's best season. His injury potential combined with an increased ability in defenses shutting down the Ravens run game as they learn more. Part of what made this year so special for him is also what puts a ceiling on him. When you have those athletic skills you don't learn progressions. A Russell Wilson type is about as extreme with mobility as you can be while still developing pocket skills otherwise you just always default to running. Vick was about the closest thing to Lamar we have seen. He did develop his pocket game more after he was reinstated by the league after his athletic skills declined to human levels. Edited January 24, 2020 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Guess it’s a good thing Jackson’s a pro football player and not a pro obstacle course runner or whatever that BS was. Let’s worry about our own QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: In the last 5 seasons Landry's worst year is 81 catches for 976 yards And that's pretty close to his best too. He's pretty consistently an above average receiver. Not pro bowl worthy. In 2018 he was 22nd in receiving yards. Tied for 63rd in TD's. Is that Pro Bowl material? In 2019 he was 10th in receiving yards. Tied for 24th in TD's. Is that Pro Bowl material? There are scores of guys who should be getting in over him. 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: Guess it’s a good thing Jackson’s a pro football player and not a pro obstacle course runner or whatever that BS was. Let’s worry about our own QB. I think I'll talk about whatever player I want. Being a Bills fans does not mean you can only talk about Bills players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 hours ago, MJS said: Yep, which is why things will get more difficult for him. Receivers and TE's were schemed open for him. Defenses are going to figure that out and force him to play QB. He better hope he improves as a passer or continues to dominate running the ball. He'll never have a running/passing statistical year like this again. He will be forced to throw out of the pocket and you'll see the Lamar phenomenon diminish slowly each year. If the Bill's want to hurdle over anyone in the AFC, they need to focus on Mahomes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Guess it’s a good thing Jackson’s a pro football player and not a pro obstacle course runner or whatever that BS was. Let’s worry about our own QB. When our own QB can't hit the broad side of a barn in a no-rush "skills challenge" I'll start worrying fo' sho! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He'll never have a running/passing statistical year like this again. He will be forced to throw out of the pocket and you'll see the Lamar phenomenon diminish slowly each year. If the Bill's want to hurdle over anyone in the AFC, they need to focus on Mahomes. Mahomes is the MVP and will be for a long time. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Well he certainly didn’t play good in the playoff game, he had 500 total yards and Baltimore was in Tennessee’s territory 9 times I believe. It’s not like they were shutting him down. Didn't he throw it like 59 times and had to run it 20 times to get those yards? Also had 3 turnovers. Seems like the Titans had a plan to contain him and "not break" on D to make up for their offense not being able to put up points without turnovers. He had something like a total 6.3 yards per play which is NOT great for a hyper mobile MVP QB against the 6th seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I get your point, and history indicates that Jackson’s style of play won’t last long in the NFL. I wouldn’t bet money on him being a franchise QB for years, but I also wouldn’t bet against it. The league is changing, Manning, Roethlisberger, and Brady no longer dominate the AFC. There is an opening for QB’s to be successful. Mahomes is in a league of his own, and everyone below him has an opportunity to lead a successful team. The league is changing but I don't think it's really changing toward what Lamar does more what Mahomes is and Josh Allen is trying to be. A QB that can hurt you scrambling and on a few designed runs but also hurt you with his arm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He'll never have a running/passing statistical year like this again. He will be forced to throw out of the pocket and you'll see the Lamar phenomenon diminish slowly each year. If the Bill's want to hurdle over anyone in the AFC, they need to focus on Mahomes. I believe QB's can improve and adapt. Jackson can as well. We'll see if he is successful with it or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, MJS said: I think I'll talk about whatever player I want. Being a Bills fans does not mean you can only talk about Bills players. so sensitive. Hey if everyone wants to have a laugh at the league MVP because he failed the double dare physical challenge be my guest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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