Steptide Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 If it wernt for the bills, poyer may not even be playing football. She also posted last week how the bills shouldn't be playing any starters (vs the jets). Think she just needs to shut up and be thankful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: She's just trying to make sure he has enough money to keep her digging hands happy. This^ Quite sure she’s not really stressed by the injustice that he’s outplayed his contract. There’s certainly a motive there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 There's also plenty of players that play below their contracts. Poyer will get his offer sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Poyer considered a hold out last year from what I am told. He does feel underpaid and I am led to believe it was his respect for the coaches and his relationship with Hyde that convinced him to come back without a new deal. I doubt he does the same again. The Bills should offer him a moderate increase. He is good not great but he and Hyde are greater than the sum of their parts. Their relationship is critical to our ability to disguise coverage. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: We should trade him. He was a nobody before we signed him, McDermott can find another nobody who will do fine in his system. Take advantage of Derm's ability to coax good safety play and add value to the franchise. Let someone else pay him, use the money to re-sign more pivotal pieces and add to WR/RB/DE. Tre White is phenomenal, beyond that we have role players. I don’t want to overrate the Jets, but watching our second team D that game gave me a new perspective. We are a brilliantly coached defensive team with a great scheme. Overall, we have decent defensive players who play within the scheme. I wouldn’t be particularly stressed about losing Poyer. I think our coaching staff could plug someone into that role without a huge drop off. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Poyer considered a hold out last year from what I am told. He does feel underpaid and I am led to believe it was his respect for the coaches and his relationship with Hyde that convinced him to come back without a new deal. I doubt he does the same again. The Bills should offer him a moderate increase. He is good not great but he and Hyde are greater than the sum of their parts. Their relationship is critical to our ability to disguise coverage. If a moderate increase gets it done then fine, but I wouldn't want to give him huge money. Derm could figure out how to replace him if he had to and the extra draft pick wouldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Just be careful to not pay for past performance. Some players outperform their contracts and some underperform. The guys that underperform don't issue refunds. The team needs to evaluate what his future value will be and propose a contract accordingly. Edited January 6, 2020 by vincec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Shut up drama queen. 1 hour ago, DaaBills said: Those are some serious melons. got some hot friends on the side bar as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: and she deleted it Nothing on the internet is ever deleted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I will do anything to keep her in Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I can’t disagree with her. Poyer and Hyde are both underpaid. But, on the business side of things Poyer isn’t worth his next contract. I would let him walk. We can’t pay every starter big money. He’s expendable and much easier to replace than most of our starters. Hope he doesn’t play the sitting out game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Poyer is on my list of re-signs just not the priority. I don’t see her tweets anyway she blocked me 2 years ago when I posted criticism of the Bills but not before she said I obviously am not a Bills fan. Edited January 6, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 pages and no one has posted a single pic? It's worth a thousand words, people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Penfield45 said: Poyer got embarrassed twice and ran over by Watson . I wouldn't pay him a dime. let him walk and get replaced. we can lineup any safety next to Hyde and they will play well. Easier to use the ignore user feature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Poyer considered a hold out last year from what I am told. He does feel underpaid and I am led to believe it was his respect for the coaches and his relationship with Hyde that convinced him to come back without a new deal. I doubt he does the same again. The Bills should offer him a moderate increase. He is good not great but he and Hyde are greater than the sum of their parts. Their relationship is critical to our ability to disguise coverage. Hyde, Tre, and LorAx more or less talked him out of holding out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 We are paying Kroft double what poyer is getting. Dude does deserve a raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 That this thread is devoid of pictures saddens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Hyde, Tre, and LorAx more or less talked him out of holding out That corroborates somewhat the version I heard. Thanks Bandit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Extend the man. Why in the hell would we want to create another hole that needs to be filled? We already need to replace Lorax, get a #2 CB, and edge rusher. Poyer is an above average safety and it would be plain stupid to let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Hyde, Tre, and LorAx more or less talked him out of holding out Here are my questions: What is he getting now? What might he ask for? What is he worth on the open market? I love our DB’s for the most part. His relationship and interchangeability with Hyde certainly has some value. I’d like to keep as much of the gang together as possible. I don’t want to be stupid with money, but that’s what cap space is for. Right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, stevewin said: 4 pages and no one has posted a single pic? It's worth a thousand words, people! Might be hard to find one that fits within the TOS. That cover shot on twitter is pretty nice! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, stevewin said: 4 pages and no one has posted a single pic? It's worth a thousand words, people! I don’t think the pics on her insta are mostly suitable here. If y’all must do the T&A stuff I gotta get the padlock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I scrolled through this whole thread and there's not one contextually relevant picture of Rachel Bush. FAIL 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don’t think the pics on her insta are mostly suitable here. If y’all must do the T&A stuff I gotta get the padlock We'll be the judge of that, thank you very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Jordan Poyer signed with the Buffalo Bills because they offered him the best contract at the time. He has played much better than expected. I personally love him on our team. But the Bills don’t owe him anything. He got paid. He should make more in his next contract and I hope it’s in Buffalo. He is a great fit for our system. Brandon Beane will decide how much we can give him in two years. Both the Bills and the Poyer’s would be smart to find common ground for a healthy extension. ✅ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, Augie said: Here are my questions: What is he getting now? What might he ask for? What is he worth on the open market? I love our DB’s for the most part. His relationship and interchangeability with Hyde certainly has some value. I’d like to keep as much of the gang together as possible. I don’t want to be stupid with money, but that’s what cap space is for. Right? He’s tied for the 30th paid safety in the NFL in terms of AAV. He’d probably get $9M per on the open market; right now he’s getting $3.25M. 48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That corroborates somewhat the version I heard. Thanks Bandit. No sweat. He’s not unhappy here, but he definitely knows that he’s massively underpaid and wants his once-in-a-lifetime pay day. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I scrolled through this whole thread and there's not one contextually relevant picture of Rachel Bush. FAIL We'll be the judge of that, thank you very much! Ah..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He’s tied for the 30th paid safety in the NFL in terms of AAV. He’d probably get $9M per on the open market; right now he’s getting $3.25M. No sweat. He’s not unhappy here, but he definitely knows that he’s massively underpaid and wants his once-in-a-lifetime pay day. And he has every right to want that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He’s tied for the 30th paid safety in the NFL in terms of AAV. He’d probably get $9M per on the open market; right now he’s getting $3.25M. No sweat. He’s not unhappy here, but he definitely knows that he’s massively underpaid and wants his once-in-a-lifetime pay day. I think massively underpaid is overstating it. He’s merely underpaid imo. He’s got great ball skills, above average coverage, average run support/tackling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: And he has every right to want that. Darn right. Not just because of his performance, or because he’s entitled to maximize his value, but also because the dude sacrifices his body to stop the run in a way that few other DBs his size are willing to. 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: I think massively underpaid is overstating it. He’s merely underpaid imo. He’s got great ball skills, above average coverage, average run support/tackling. He makes about 33% of his open market value and he’s on his 2nd contract. IMO that’s massively underpaid 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: He considered holding out this offseason FWIW He said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, billsherd said: He said that? Not to anyone with a microphone in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Darn right. Not just because of his performance, or because he’s entitled to maximize his value, but also because the dude sacrifices his body to stop the run in a way that few other DBs his size are willing to. He makes about 33% of his open market value and he’s on his 2nd contract. IMO that’s massively underpaid Well if you think he's a $9M/yr safety then I suppose you'd be correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Well if you think he's a $9M/yr safety then I suppose you'd be correct If Adrian Amos is worth $9M AAV then so is Poyer all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: If Adrian Amos is worth $9M AAV then so is Poyer all day long I doubt the Bills are thinking in these terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, I think it’s reasonable for him to want to be paid. I just don’t think his wife’s twitter is the best path to it Agreed. But it makes me wonder whether there might be some doubt if the Bills will give him the type of deal he wants. Keep in mind, the team has Jaquan Johnson at safety and he has looked very good. After 2020 when Poyer is a FA, Johnson will be in his third year and likely pushing for a starting role. Are you going to break the bank to keep a very good 30 year old safety when there is a player on rookie contract on the bench? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I doubt the Bills are thinking in these terms I think it is less the $9m and more the length. I suspect Poyer is looking for long term security this is going to be his one big deal. I could imagine the Bills being fine with paying him $9m a year in 2020 and 2021.... but they don't still want to be paying him that when he is 31 and 32. Is there a way to find a compromise on that? Possibly. I think the Amos deal is basically 2 years at $10m if the Packers want to get out before year 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it is less the $9m and more the length. I suspect Poyer is looking for long term security this is going to be his one big deal. I could imagine the Bills being fine with paying him $9m a year in 2020 and 2021.... but they don't still want to be paying him that when he is 31 and 32. Is there a way to find a compromise on that? Possibly. I think the Amos deal is basically 2 years at $10m if the Packers want to get out before year 3. I appreciate what Poyer brings to the table but if we're being honest McD has had great defenses with no name safeties before, it's not an essential position in this scheme. Poyer functions well within this defense but the standalone pieces in the secondary are White and Hyde, the rest are interchangeable and can be replaced imo. That said I would absolutely try to extend him. I want to keep everyone on the defense, but realistically not everyone is going to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: I appreciate what Poyer brings to the table but if we're being honest McD has had great defenses with no name safeties before, it's not an essential position in this scheme. Poyer functions well within this defense but the standalone pieces in the secondary are White and Hyde, the rest are interchangeable and can be replaced imo. That said I would absolutely try to extend him. I want to keep everyone on the defense, but realistically not everyone is going to stay. It is the relationship with Hyde more than purely Poyer's skillset I think. The disguising of coverages is critical to the Bills defense. They are relatively simple up front and complex on the back end. Yes Hyde could build that relationship with another player but the chemistry he and Poyer have is rare and special. They have an almost innate understanding. I don't think that is easily replicated even if I agree to an extent his skillset is a bit more plug and play. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, TheProcess said: Poyer had a brutal game yesterday tackling and blitzing. Watson bulled him, carrying him into the end zone after making contact at the 10. However, one game does not make a career. He and Hyde have absolutely been lights out in pass coverage. Wouldn’t be against an extension if the $ is right. this is a good assessment. but what the heck is she doing posting this stuff after a loss and a terrible game by him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassHog Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Rachel Bush: Overrated Instagram Attention Seeker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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