Browns interview Brian Daboll for HC; have interest in pairing with Bills Asst. GM Joe Schoen

[Nihilarian]

6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Lynn won’t be bringing Roman’s playbook or Pro Bowlers with him. Hard pass.

First, I wouldn't want Roman's playbook as it is a run heavy scheme. Second, I would like Josh Allen to be mentored and developed properly while not in an overly complicated passing scheme. I think Lynn brings that. I think Allen gets it and not so sure the rest of the offense does though. 

 

If you look at the results from Lynn's first season going from McCoy's 2015 (4-12)-2016 (5-11) seasons to 9-7 in his first year, 12-4 in his second season. The Chargers offense improved under Lynn without going to a heavy run offense like Roman would install. The last thing i would want is to have Allen in more called QB runs.

 

Also, if you look at the 2018 offensive line rankings the Chargers (30) actually graded worse over that horrendous Buffalo Bills (26) line.

 

Like others have mentioned that Lynn took over play calling for Greg Roman in Buffalo and improved it. My take is he would do the same with Daboll's play book. JMO

 

Besides, this speculation is kinda moot as I kinda doubt the Chargers will even let Lynn leave for 2020. 

[BringBackOrton]

30 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

First, I wouldn't want Roman's playbook as it is a run heavy scheme. Second, I would like Josh Allen to be mentored and developed properly while not in an overly complicated passing scheme. I think Lynn brings that. I think Allen gets it and not so sure the rest of the offense does though. 

 

If you look at the results from Lynn's first season going from McCoy's 2015 (4-12)-2016 (5-11) seasons to 9-7 in his first year, 12-4 in his second season. The Chargers offense improved under Lynn without going to a heavy run offense like Roman would install. The last thing i would want is to have Allen in more called QB runs.

 

Also, if you look at the 2018 offensive line rankings the Chargers (30) actually graded worse over that horrendous Buffalo Bills (26) line.

 

Like others have mentioned that Lynn took over play calling for Greg Roman in Buffalo and improved it. My take is he would do the same with Daboll's play book. JMO

 

Besides, this speculation is kinda moot as I kinda doubt the Chargers will even let Lynn leave for 2020. 

Who has Lynn developed as a QB that makes him qualified for that job? You know he was an RB coach, right? You know he’s never even developed an offense before, right?

 

He doesn’t get to keep Daboll’s playbook either lol. And it wouldn’t make sense to keep Daboll’s EP system with multiple checks and then use it as a “uncomplicated passing scheme.” Those are opposite things. It’s like saying let’s take Rex Ryan’s defense, and get rid of the exotic disguises and blitzes.

[Coach Tuesday]

I don't see how the Browns could sell Daboll to the fanbase - his profile just looks too much like Kitchens' - heck, they even look like identical twins...

[MJS]

36 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

First, I wouldn't want Roman's playbook as it is a run heavy scheme. Second, I would like Josh Allen to be mentored and developed properly while not in an overly complicated passing scheme. I think Lynn brings that. I think Allen gets it and not so sure the rest of the offense does though. 

 

If you look at the results from Lynn's first season going from McCoy's 2015 (4-12)-2016 (5-11) seasons to 9-7 in his first year, 12-4 in his second season. The Chargers offense improved under Lynn without going to a heavy run offense like Roman would install. The last thing i would want is to have Allen in more called QB runs.

 

Also, if you look at the 2018 offensive line rankings the Chargers (30) actually graded worse over that horrendous Buffalo Bills (26) line.

 

Like others have mentioned that Lynn took over play calling for Greg Roman in Buffalo and improved it. My take is he would do the same with Daboll's play book. JMO

 

Besides, this speculation is kinda moot as I kinda doubt the Chargers will even let Lynn leave for 2020. 

Lynn is coaching fools gold. He's not qualified to lead a team and rides the coat tails of a borderline hall of fame QB and other elite players on that team.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

There sure are, but I don’t know a lot of fired coordinators who eventually got the HC tap. I’m sure there’s been a couple but that position gets turned over quite a bit. 

 

Not to mention, coordinators who become HC’s because of their success at coordinator but get fired usually maintain their rep as a good, or at least employable coordinator. Leslie Frazier, Norv Turner, etc.

 

Chan Gailey was a fired coordinator in his most recent role pre getting the Bills job. He is the only one that immediately comes to mind. 

[Nihilarian]

33 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Who has Lynn developed as a QB that makes him qualified for that job? You know he was an RB coach, right? You know he’s never even developed an offense before, right?

 

He doesn’t get to keep Daboll’s playbook either lol. And it wouldn’t make sense to keep Daboll’s EP system with multiple checks and then use it as a “uncomplicated passing scheme.” Those are opposite things. It’s like saying let’s take Rex Ryan’s defense, and get rid of the exotic disguises and blitzes.

Where do you get this stuff from comparing Lynn to Rex Ryan? Rex ruined a dominant pass rushing line in Buffalo by installing his scheme which didn't fit the players on the roster. Lynn has never done anything like that!

 

Lynn took over a bad Chargers team and got them to a winning season his first year 9-7 and 12-4 in his second season. Even beating the Baltimore Ravens in a WC game. Regardless of the players on the current Chargers roster as both Phillip Rivers and Keenan Allen were both on those 4-12 /5-11 rosters too. It's my take that Rivers hit the wall this past season.

 

The fact that Anthony Lynn is a current winning NFL head coach and still has a job after he was promoted from RB's coach to OC where he greatly improved the Bills play calling, to HC in Buffalo! Was hired away by the Chargers to be their new HC and unlike Freddie Kitchens he produced a playoff team. I think his current achievements speak for themselves.

 

Do you know what offensive scheme they run in Los Angles? Yeah, that's right, Erhardt-Perkins. Same scheme only less complicated and more productive. 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Not to mention, coordinators who become HC’s because of their success at coordinator but get fired usually maintain their rep as a good, or at least employable coordinator. Leslie Frazier, Norv Turner, etc.

 

Norv Turner may be available.  He his presently listed as OC in Carolina.  If he did become available, I'd make a serious run at him.  Carolina was ranked 10th in O with Cam in 2018 and 16th with one of the other Allens at QB in 2019. Has a Daboll offense ever been ranked that high?

Edited January 2, 2020 by reddogblitz

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Indeed. History is littered with guys who were hot coordinators for a few years and then suddenly the offers dried up. Hell, there were 3 years in a row that Greg Roman got HC looks, then nothing since. That will change this year you would expect but there are no guarantees. Ray Horton is the other one I always go to. He was the DC in Arizona under Whiz and a hot name for 2 or 3 hiring cycles without ever landing a job. He spent last year coaching DBs in Washington. If the opportunity knocks turning it down and waiting it out is a risky business. 

 

Completely agree.  So does Brian Schottenheimer. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don't see how the Browns could sell Daboll to the fanbase - his profile just looks too much like Kitchens' - heck, they even look like identical twins...

The Browns can sell that Daboll coached Cleveland when it was great during a spell with Derek Anderson at QB. He coached Alabama's offense in 2009 to a national championship. He's coached up a young QB (like Baker) in Josh Allen to a playoff team. He's part of the Belichick coaching tree etc. On paper Daboll has some things that make him look good but if look closely he's struggled more  then performed yet the Bills winning gives him some nice cologne. 

Edited January 2, 2020 by The Jokeman

[BBills88]

On 12/30/2019 at 11:22 PM, Billznut said:

That’s what I’m afraid of most of Daboll leaves 

I dont understand the fear. We didn't know what we were getting in Mc Dermott as a first time head coach. Ken Dorsey a former QB (Reich & Pederson) worked out fine as OC's. Ken Dorsey could be exactly what the offense needs if Dabol left. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don't see how the Browns could sell Daboll to the fanbase - his profile just looks too much like Kitchens' - heck, they even look like identical twins...

 

 

IMO he would get the job with much more fan scrutiny than Kitchens as he was already a maligned, ineffective OC in Cleveland.    AND his Bills offense played badly and lost to the Browns this year.   This would have to be a hard pill to swallow for a Frown.

 

What would a comp to this look like from a Bills perspective........??

 

Maybe if the Bills hired George Edwards as HC?   The de facto Vikings DC under Zimmer......but former lousy Bills DC under Chan Gailey who got fired in favor of Wannstedt?    That might not even equate because bad OC's really make fans blood boil hotter than bad DC's.

[John from Riverside]

I frankly am not worried about Deboll leaving.......if he stays he stays if he goes he is totally replacable

 

The bills might have made the move for Dorsey with this inevitably happening.....its not like a high powered offense is about to be torn apart.

[DC Tom]

6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Great post.

 

Everybody talks about coordinators not going to teams in turmoil like the Browns, but that’s overblown. HC opportunities dry up for guys a lot earlier that coordinator jobs. 

 

If I’m Daboll and the Browns offer me the job, I take it. Worst comes to worst, you get fired after 2-3 years and have a $15M windfall. Then you get a BS job somewhere as a TE coach and a year later you’re an OC again.  If he passes on an HC job and Allen regresses, or the offense sucks harder, and he gets fired as a coordinator, he may not get another HC offer again.

 

Fired HC’s get coordinator jobs. Fired coordinators don’t often become HC’s.

 

How does Wade Phillips fit into this?

 

He's been a DC for ten teams, and a HC/interim HC for six.  

[GunnerBill]

51 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

 

Do you know what offensive scheme they run in Los Angles? Yeah, that's right, Erhardt-Perkins. Same scheme only less complicated and more productive. 

 

That was Whisenhunt's scheme though, not Lynn's. Lynn made the very wise decision when he got there not to get involved in calling or changing the offense because Whiz was well established and had a good relationship with Rivers. That was a really good head coaching decision. 

 

They fired Whiz halfway through this year because the offense was a mess. They finished only 2 places above the Bills in scoring. Lynn then did start to get involved and insisted they run it more despite the fact they were really struggling on the ground. It did get a little better but they were 23rd in yards per rush. 

 

I like Anthony Lynn. I think some of the criticism of him in this thread is unfair but I actually like him more as a HC than I do the idea of him as an offensive coordinator. I think he is a good leader. He called Greg Roman's offense well. But I am not sure about him as a scheme designer. That to me is entirely unproven at this point. The offense in Buffalo was Roman's and the offense in LA was Whisenhunt's and already in place when Lynn arrived. 

19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

IMO he would get the job with much more fan scrutiny than Kitchens as he was already a maligned, ineffective OC in Cleveland.    AND his Bills offense played badly and lost to the Browns this year.   This would have to be a hard pill to swallow for a Frown.

 

What would a comp to this look like from a Bills perspective........??

 

Maybe if the Bills hired George Edwards as HC?   The de facto Vikings DC under Zimmer......but former lousy Bills DC under Chan Gailey who got fired in favor of Wannstedt?    That might not even equate because bad OC's really make fans blood boil hotter than bad DC's.

 

Yea. It would feel a lot like that.

 

Didn't Edwards get HC interviews last year? Can't remember who with but I seem to recall he did and it made my blood run cold even though it wasn't with the Bills. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

Where do you get this stuff from comparing Lynn to Rex Ryan? Rex ruined a dominant pass rushing line in Buffalo by installing his scheme which didn't fit the players on the roster. Lynn has never done anything like that!

 

Lynn took over a bad Chargers team and got them to a winning season his first year 9-7 and 12-4 in his second season. Even beating the Baltimore Ravens in a WC game. Regardless of the players on the current Chargers roster as both Phillip Rivers and Keenan Allen were both on those 4-12 /5-11 rosters too. It's my take that Rivers hit the wall this past season.

 

The fact that Anthony Lynn is a current winning NFL head coach and still has a job after he was promoted from RB's coach to OC where he greatly improved the Bills play calling, to HC in Buffalo! Was hired away by the Chargers to be their new HC and unlike Freddie Kitchens he produced a playoff team. I think his current achievements speak for themselves.

 

Do you know what offensive scheme they run in Los Angles? Yeah, that's right, Erhardt-Perkins. Same scheme only less complicated and more productive. 

I didn’t compare Lynn to Rex Ryan. I compared simplifying our system to basically eroding the point of the system. 

 

Yes, Lynn has won with the Chargers. That doesn’t prove ANYTHING about his ability to develop an offensive scheme. That’s not his job as an HC in LA, and it wasn’t his job as an OC or RB coach for the Bills.

 

What evidence do you have that the scheme in LA is less complicated than the one in Buffalo? Furthermore, what evidence do you have that THAT is the reason it is more productive, and not the fact that Allen, Rivers, and Gordon were better than their Bills counterparts prior to this last season?

48 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

How does Wade Phillips fit into this?

 

He's been a DC for ten teams, and a HC/interim HC for six.  

Wade is a perfect example of how the NFL works. He’s gotten fired as an HC a bunch of times but continues to get coordinator jobs because he’s got a reputation as a heck of a coordinator. 

 

If a guy like Nate Hackett got an HC offer after a great 2017, he’d have been crazy to pass it up. 

[MAJBobby]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....LMAO...this is "breaking news ???".......should be TMZ stuff......wadda think Brian?......

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Cleveland Browns News: Todd Monken told opposing coaches team was 'total mess'

by Randy Gurziabout 8 hours ago

 

You could be forgiven if you didn't realize Todd Monken was the offensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns. The fact is, no one ever really heard much from him.

Really, the only time Monken would be mentioned was when now-fired head coach Freddie Kitchens would say he's not turning the play-calling over to Monken. And apparently, there may have been more to Kitchens' refusal to give up his duties.

On the surface, it appeared to be stubbornness, but it was likely that animosity between the two factored in as well. Reports have now surfaced that Monken and Kitchens didn't see eye to eye.

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/01/02/cleveland-browns-news-todd-monken-told-opposing-coaches-team-total-mess/

 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Browns fans seem fired up about this news!

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Browns fans seem fired up about this news!

I don’t think he is a serious Contender just gonna pick his Brain on the McD Process (DePodesta wanted McD three years ago)

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t think he is a serious Contender just gonna pick his Brain on the McD Process (DePodesta wanted McD three years ago)

Yeah I don’t either. I don’t see him as a head coach (he’s barely a quality OC IMo).  Sad part is if the Browns hire the right coach, they could be good right away.  But they won’t.  

[MAJBobby]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah I don’t either. I don’t see him as a head coach (he’s barely a quality OC IMo).  Sad part is if the Browns hire the right coach, they could be good right away.  But they won’t.  

I think if they truly are listening to DePodesta the job is McCarthey or Stefanski’s to lose 

[billsfan89]

I really don't understand what team's see in Daboll's body of work to have HC whispers. Josh has developed but he isn't a top 10 QB (Is Josh now that much better than Trubisky was in 2018?) The offense isn't a prolific rushing attack either. This is a below average offense (Which isn't bad considering you have a young developing QB and a ton of roster turnover and still lack some playmakers) and I don't see what team's wouldn't want to see how the offense progresses in 2020 (can Daboll develop Josh into a top 10 QB with improved weapons and a year of having this offense staying together?) But why jump on this guy as a head coach for doing a good but not great job one year in? I don't even see Daboll's play calling or schemes as being that innovative. 

 

If I am going into the up and coming coordinator pool I would rather touch base with Gregg Roman or several other candidates who have had better more sustained offensive success.

[TheCockSportif]

I just read that they're going to hire a HC first... and then a GM?  Yeah, the source was ESPN, but the Browns are an ESPN-grade organization.

[HOUSE]

The Browns should pounce quickly....

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Groin said:

I just read that they're going to hire a HC first... and then a GM?  Yeah, the source was ESPN, but the Browns are an ESPN-grade organization.

So just like we did. And have the same reporting structure as we have. They want to be like us 

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I really don't understand what team's see in Daboll's body of work to have HC whispers. Josh has developed but he isn't a top 10 QB (Is Josh now that much better than Trubisky was in 2018?) The offense isn't a prolific rushing attack either. This is a below average offense (Which isn't bad considering you have a young developing QB and a ton of roster turnover and still lack some playmakers) and I don't see what team's wouldn't want to see how the offense progresses in 2020 (can Daboll develop Josh into a top 10 QB with improved weapons and a year of having this offense staying together?) But why jump on this guy as a head coach for doing a good but not great job one year in? I don't even see Daboll's play calling or schemes as being that innovative. 

 

If I am going into the up and coming coordinator pool I would rather touch base with Gregg Roman or several other candidates who have had better more sustained offensive success.

Daboll has made the right friends.  That’s what the NFL coaching “fraternity” is all about.  The same garbage coaches just get recycled over and over again.  I’d also add how much better Hurts was without Daboll.  He’s not good of a coach. 

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

So just like we did. And have the same reporting structure as we have. They want to be like us 

Not as I recall.  Actually, not at all.  McD was hired while Whaley was still GM.  Then Whaley "humans should not play football" Whaleyed his way out of the joint.  Then they hired Beane.

[MAJBobby]

14 minutes ago, Groin said:

Not as I recall.  Actually, not at all.  McD was hired while Whaley was still GM.  Then Whaley "humans should not play football" Whaleyed his way out of the joint.  Then they hired Beane.

McD was hired without a GM (Whaley was going to be GONE, hence McD in charge of that draft). And then they brought in Beane. 
 

both Beane and McD report to ownership similar to what Browns want. 
 

only difference is DePodesta other than that they are doing EXACTLY what Buffalo Did

Edited January 2, 2020 by MAJBobby

[TheCockSportif]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

McD was hired without a GM (Whaley was going to be GONE, hence McD in charge of that draft). And then they brought in Beane. 
 

I don't know why you are arguing this point.  Whaley was fired right after the draft, and he was still GM at that time.  Sure, he may have been a figurehead, but fact remains that the Bills still had a GM when the HC was hired.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Groin said:

I don't know why you are arguing this point.  Whaley was fired right after the draft, and he was still GM at that time.  Sure, he may have been a figurehead, but fact remains that the Bills still had a GM when the HC was hired.

semantics. But keep trying it is cute. So who was hired first the HC (McD) or the GM (Beane). 
 

does McD report to Beane or does he report to Pegulas?

Edited January 2, 2020 by MAJBobby

[TheCockSportif]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

semantics. But keep trying it is cute. So who was hired first the HC (McD) or the GM (Beane). 

Semantics?  No.  Plain English?  Yes.

 

Fact: The Bills had a GM on January 11, 2017 when McD was hired.

 

Fact: The Bills offered Doug Whaley an extension on January 10, 2016, and fired him on April 30, 2017.

 

Fact: Beane was hired by the Bills on May 9, 2017.

 

The Browns have neither a HC nor a GM currently.  This was demonstrably not the case with the Bills in 2017, and that was the nature of my remark before.  Cry semantics all you want, but you were wrong.  Doubling down on being wrong just puts you on airlock.  See ya!

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Groin said:

Semantics?  No.  Plain English?  Yes.

 

Fact: The Bills had a GM on January 11, 2017 when McD was hired.

 

Fact: The Bills offered Doug Whaley an extension on January 10, 2016, and fired him on April 30, 2017.

 

Fact: Beane was hired by the Bills on May 9, 2017.

 

The Browns have neither a HC nor a GM currently.  This was demonstrably not the case with the Bills in 2017, and that was the nature of my remark before.  Cry semantics all you want, but you were wrong.  Doubling down on being wrong just puts you on airlock.  See ya!

so again who was hired first McD or Beane. Looks like McD. Thanks. 
 

now does McD answer to Beane or the owner? (structure Browns want). 
 

later I know it is hard to grasp for some that McD was hired before Beane. And Browns will be hiring their HC before GM. 
 

I know it is even harder to grasp Beane and McD report to Pegula and Browns will have their HC and GM report to Haslams. 
 

and majorly hard to see that is exactly like us. 
 

and takes a real IQ to know that is what DePodesta wanted 3 years ago as well when he wanted McD 

Edited January 2, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Mike in Horseheads]

Daboll better have a good game plan if he wants to be a HC, his interview is Sunday with the Browns...... Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot · 3m #Browns updated interview schedule: #Ravens Greg Roman tonight in Balt, #49ers Robert Saleh this weekend in Ca., #Bills Brian Daboll Sun in Buffalo, #Patriots Josh McDaniels likely Jan. 10

[Punching Bag]

On 12/30/2019 at 9:21 PM, Buffalo Boy said:

There are a ton on this here board?

 

There are sure are if you are talking about disaster candidates of year which Browns usually hire.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Groin said:

Not as I recall.  Actually, not at all.  McD was hired while Whaley was still GM.  Then Whaley "humans should not play football" Whaleyed his way out of the joint.  Then they hired Beane.

 

With the benefit of hindsight to review McDermott's intro presser, he made a bunch of comments about how he was "comfortable with the situation" at GM and "the Pegulas have made certain that I am comfortable with it, which I appreciate" or words to that effect.

 

The famous "not privy" presser with Whaley sealed his doom, and he was quickly given a back seat in the coaching search.  He had Whaleyed himself out before McD was hired.

 

I think, again with the benefit of hindsight to read the tealeaves, that the Pegulas promised McDermott that he could bring in his guy either outright, or if he wasn't 100% satisfied after working with Whaley for some short period of time - and that McDermott had an understanding with Beane before he took the job.

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

I didn’t compare Lynn to Rex Ryan. I compared simplifying our system to basically eroding the point of the system. 

 

Yes, Lynn has won with the Chargers. That doesn’t prove ANYTHING about his ability to develop an offensive scheme. That’s not his job as an HC in LA, and it wasn’t his job as an OC or RB coach for the Bills.

 

What evidence do you have that the scheme in LA is less complicated than the one in Buffalo? Furthermore, what evidence do you have that THAT is the reason it is more productive, and not the fact that Allen, Rivers, and Gordon were better than their Bills counterparts prior to this last season?

Wade is a perfect example of how the NFL works. He’s gotten fired as an HC a bunch of times but continues to get coordinator jobs because he’s got a reputation as a heck of a coordinator. 

 

First off, I know the Bills offensive scheme is very complex because John Brown stated as such when he stated it was by far the most complicated scheme he had been involved in. Others have also mentioned that the scheme that Daboll runs is very complex compared to others who run the same scheme. I'd call this rather moronic considering he is dealing with a very raw, inexperienced QB the last two seasons.

 

Second, those Chargers players are better then the Bills counterparts no question as they all have made the pro bowl. However, like I stated that all three were there for the 4-12 / 5-11 seasons too under McCoy. (This season looks to be a very down season for Rivers as he has 23 thrown TDs, 20 INTs.) Anthony Lynn came in and made that Charger team a 12-4 playoff team!  

 

Third, why on earth would the man need to develop an offensive scheme? Why not just take the play book for EP and run with it like he did in LA after he fired Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt in Oct 2019. Lynn later on promoted QB coach Shane Steichen to the play calling and yet Lynn made it known he would be heavily involved in the offensive game plan. Lynn stated he wanted more of a balanced offense which included more from the run game. 

 

Lynn took over from Greg Roman in Buffalo and made the offense better while calling better plays. So much better that he took the Chargers offer to be their next HC and took a bad team to the playoffs. 

 

Lastly, I don't need evidence or feel the need to prove anything to you!  I stated that I like Anthony Lynn to run the Buffalo Bills offense and I stand by that opinion as i feel he is an outstanding, talented OC, HC. You have given your opinion and don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan4]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

So just like we did. And have the same reporting structure as we have. They want to be like us 

Speaking of..

 

great article on the Athletic for those with a subscription -

 

https://theathletic.com/1503304/2020/01/02/as-cleveland-browns-begin-another-rebuild-they-could-learn-some-lessons-from-the-buffalo-bills/

Reed: Browns should look to Buffalo for answers after latest house cleaning

 

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Two weeks ago, while researching a story on the five remaining Browns players from the inglorious 1-31 era, I ran across a stat that threw me for a loss quicker than a Freddie Kitchens-designed shovel pass.

 

My assumption was no NFL franchise could possibly have fewer holdovers from the 2016 season than the Browns. Not only does such a squad exist, but it’s headed back to the playoffs for the second time in three years.

 

The Buffalo Bills shared a similar legacy of losing with the Browns from 1999 — when Cleveland returned to the league — until the start of the 2017 season. The Bills, much like their Lake Erie brethren, have turned over an entire roster save for defenders Jerry Hughes, Shaq Lawson and Lorenzo Alexander.

 

 

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Which brings us back to the Bills, who were in a similar predicament not long ago. Both teams play in cold-weather markets that aren’t desirable to many high-end free agents unless they are overpaid.

 

When the Bills traded receiver Sammy Watkins and cornerback Ronald Darby for draft picks prior to the 2017 season, some figured they were embarking on a tear-it-down-to-the-studs rebuild like the Browns. Instead, coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane have overseen a renaissance that’s produced two playoff berths and one of the NFL’s best defenses.

 

The Bills, who face the Texans on Saturday, are not bonafide title contenders yet. They are, however, trending in the right direction and establishing continuity and culture that are woefully lacking in Berea.

 

What can the Browns learn from the Bills’ rise to respectability? Let’s examine several factors:

 

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- You don’t have to game the system to assemble a decent team.

- Don’t use a high draft pick on a quarterback if you can’t protect him within two seasons. 

- Make sure your most important decision-makers and players are on the same page.

- You can’t win without talent, but talent absent character and leadership is asking for trouble. 

 

(For lots more details on each point, click on link)

 

[BringBackOrton]

53 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

First off, I know the Bills offensive scheme is very complex because John Brown stated as such when he stated it was by far the most complicated scheme he had been involved in. Others have also mentioned that the scheme that Daboll runs is very complex compared to others who run the same scheme. I'd call this rather moronic considering he is dealing with a very raw, inexperienced QB the last two seasons.

 

Second, those Chargers players are better then the Bills counterparts no question as they all have made the pro bowl. However, like I stated that all three were there for the 4-12 / 5-11 seasons too under McCoy. (This season looks to be a very down season for Rivers as he has 23 thrown TDs, 20 INTs.) Anthony Lynn came in and made that Charger team a 12-4 playoff team!  

 

Third, why on earth would the man need to develop an offensive scheme? Why not just take the play book for EP and run with it like he did in LA after he fired Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt in Oct 2019. Lynn later on promoted QB coach Shane Steichen to the play calling and yet Lynn made it known he would be heavily involved in the offensive game plan. Lynn stated he wanted more of a balanced offense which included more from the run game. 

 

Lynn took over from Greg Roman in Buffalo and made the offense better while calling better plays. So much better that he took the Chargers offer to be their next HC and took a bad team to the playoffs. 

 

Lastly, I don't need evidence or feel the need to prove anything to you!  I stated that I like Anthony Lynn to run the Buffalo Bills offense and I stand by that opinion as i feel he is an outstanding, talented OC, HC. You have given your opinion and don't agree with my opinion, that's fine. 

 

 

 

 

The Chargers offense actually got a little worse in PPG from 2016 to 2017. The Chargers defense however went from 29th in the NFL in points allowed to 3rd. That’s almost certainly more responsible for their turnaround. 

 

I asked why you believe Lynn’s offense is less complicated than Daboll’s, and you can only say that Bills players say the Bills’ is complex. How do you know the Chargers’ players don’t feel the same way about their system? 

 

You don’t have to prove anything to anyone, but it is telling that you are struggling to substantiatively defend your opinion.

[Alphadawg7]

I hope they hire him.  I want a new OC

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

There are sure are if you are talking about disaster candidates of year which Browns usually hire.

 

 

   Watching the Browns suck it up this year was extra SWEET after all the cajone washings they got in the preseason. “ They are who we thought they were.”