McDermott changes signs from “Playoff Caliber” to “Championship Caliber”

[KGun12TD]

1 hour ago, mattrock123 said:

Do you guys feel coaches and management will make the necessary adjustments to truly make this team 'Championship Caliber' moving forward?  Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. 

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/

 

 I see you're on probation...hopefully we keep it that way...I'm not going to even try to explain my views to you. This is an @$$ backward post. Go away.

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

They said "Playoff Caliber" before they made the playoffs ... and then they made the playoffs.

 

I've got no problem with them saying "Championship Caliber" at this point.

 

 

The idea that this regular season proves the Bills can't or won't become championship caliber in future seasons, and that they need to fire McDermott, is ludicrous.

 

We don't know what the future will bring. I'm expecting significant progress across multiple domains over the next few years. Progress on the overall roster via FA and draft. Progress on the field as young players develop. And progress from coaching staff as far as in game strategy goes. 

 

I also expect set backs and bumps on the road. 

 

But I'd rather give this group, Bean, McD ect. the reigns for better or worse for as long as possible. We might get 1 championship in the next 10 years.

 

But continuing the last 20 years of firing, hiring, firing, hiring, to satsify fans like the OP will be lucky to bring 1 playoff appearance in the next 10 years.

Edited January 2, 2020 by Motorin'

[teef]

if i could punch a thread, this would be the one.

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

if i could punch a thread, this would be the one.

 

it's nice to have nice things after 20 years

 

 

and another generation of new fans has to learn that men who watch sports tend to.... tinker mentally with any given situation, even when a team wins multiple titles, it's what we do...

 

 

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

the Blue Jays dumped Bobby Cox when they made the playoffs, realized he was a total zero as a manager in the playoffs, made the change and won 2 titles

 

Are you talking about 2x World Series Champion, 4x Manager of the Year, 4th most wins amongst MLB managers and Hall of Famer Bobby Cox? 

[Say When...]

47 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It's so cute how you say, "till he gets his QB to replace Brady."

 

It's really not that simple.

 

 

in a sense, with BB, i think it is.

 

I strongly believe BB can plug in any average + talent @ QB and his system will take over the rest, just needs someone dedicated, above average intelligence and can make a few throws with timing.  BB doesn't need a Brees, Rogers, Wilson, etc.

 

for me it's the system BB has in place, and i think that's what scares Brady the most is if he leaves before BB someone else will come in and be just as successful and risk tarnishing his legacy in the perception of the public.

[Bills Analyst]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

the Blue Jays dumped Bobby Cox when they made the playoffs, realized he was a total zero as a manager in the playoffs, made the change and won 2 titles

 

Except they replaced cox with someone who never was a manager.  Williams lasted 4 years never winning the series.  And then when they replaced Williams they won.  So your example of Cox is not a great one.

 

And Cox took ATLANTA to many World Series.  I think 5.  So not so bad.

[Just in Atlanta]

The pieces are there and this is the best team we've seen in two decades. The Pats dynasty, meanwhile, is breathing its last gasp. The Jets have ole googly-eyed Gase at the helm and the Dolphins are two years away. 

 

Enjoy the ride while it lasts. 

[apuszczalowski]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I mean, so long as this staff refuses to play Duke Williams, this coaching staff cannot be said to be seriously striving for a championship. 

 

Am I doing this right? 

I think you have to throw in that they also keep Wade rotting away on the practice squad, have shackled Allen from putting up big stats, have the worst OC to every hold the position in the NFL, have the worst kicker/punter combo in the league and can't move forward because the league won't allow owners to own 2 franchises in the same city in different league's and you have covered it all......

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, KGun12TD said:

 

 I see you're on probation...hopefully we keep it that way...I'm not going to even try to explain my views to you. This is an @$$ backward post. Go away.

Some people just don’t get it! We are seeing something special being built- were close barring no catastrophe’s.

[Happy]

I think the OP is reading too much into "Championship Caliber."  It is just McD raising the bar now that they are "Playoff Caliber."  It doesn't mean this team and coaches are "Championship Caliber" yet; I don't think they are at this point.

I assume "The Process" is what the OP is getting at here, which is supposed to be everyone (including coaches) improving.  Through "The Process" you get to "Championship Caliber"; at least that is how I interpret all these McD platitudes.

[KD in CA]

Best team in 20 years and people still post crap like this....amazing.   Some people just love to be miserable.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

Are you talking about 2x World Series Champion, 4x Manager of the Year, 4th most wins amongst MLB managers and Hall of Famer Bobby Cox? 

Hey, if you don't win 6 Super Bowls in your first 2 years as a head coach there's no chance you'll ever develop a championship caliber team. 

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

 

 

to jump from playoff achieving to serious title contender will have to require some heartless moves at just the right time

 

dumping McD and bringing in a coach who has "been there" might be one of them

 

 

Honestly I give McDermott the most credit out of anyone for this year. He's a keeper IMO. You don't often land coaches this good.

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Honestly I give McDermott the most credit out of anyone for this year. He's a keeper IMO. You don't often land coaches this good.

 

we'll see, everyone loses the room at some point, not in John Tortorella (sp) style necessarily

 

here's to a good 3-5 years coming up with some breaks taken advantage of

 

 

[MJS]

Off to a bad start, newb.

[Jobot]

The Bills are at a caliber where they can realistically beat any team that lacks a top 5 defense.  Allen is 1-year away from removing that as a limitation of the team.  If we can avoid Baltimore, NE, and San Fran, then we have a legitimate chance to win.

[row_33]

1 minute ago, Jobot said:

The Bills are at a caliber where they can realistically beat any team that lacks a top 5 defense.  Allen is 1-year away from removing that as a limitation of the team.  If we can avoid Baltimore, NE, and San Fran, then we have a legitimate chance to win.

 

it's nice to feel good about the team this late in a given January, and for the immediate future as well

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

The one team (and I have been on record saying this) that can go in and beat the Pats is the Titans. I would love to see Henry cram it down their throats and control the clock.

 

You truly believe a new stadium is coming? As much as I love going to New Era a new stadium is needed. I think something like Lucas Oil Field would be perfect here. The price tag for that build was around 730 mil which is 880 mil in todays inflated market. Building that in NY with higher costs would put it at a billion imo. Can this town afford that? The Pegulas would have to pay a portion as Indy ownership paid 100 mil towards Lucas.

Bills 34, I’m betting the State would cough up half if the Pegulas basically will revitalize the downtown area, and probably build a couple more hotels.  I may be delusional, but if I were Terry and Kim, I’d go to Goodell and say we’ll build this and invest in this area, but you have to cough up a SB in the future.  I couldn’t agree more than a Lucas Oil stadium although I’d love for it to be retractable so when Miami comes up in December we open the roof.  By 2023, we should have four winning seasons, and much more national coverage.

 

Good take though bud.

[BobChalmers]

3 hours ago, mattrock123 said:

Do you guys feel coaches and management will make the necessary adjustments to truly make this team 'Championship Caliber' moving forward?  Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. 

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/

 

That's the kind of post you bring for your 6th ever?

[Mr. WEO]

This is a topic that truly cried out, no--screamed--for a duplicate thread.

[Buffalophil1948]

This is new territory for everyone around here.  Some people just can't let themselves enjoy.  But it sure beats the hell outta talking about who we are going to take with the 10th pick in the draft 

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, mattrock123 said:

Do you guys feel coaches and management will make the necessary adjustments to truly make this team 'Championship Caliber' moving forward?  Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. 

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/

The schedule this year has accelerated the appearance of the rebuild.

 

We're going to be major regression candidates next season.

 

Also, as fan expectations increase with regard to Allen and as their patience wanes, his play, while remaining about the same, will seem increasingly unacceptable.

That will add to the perception that we are regressing.

 

Enjoy this year NOW.  You have to strike while the iron is hot, and many things have worked to our favor this year, not least of which is the health of the team.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, mattrock123 said:

Do you guys feel coaches and management will make the necessary adjustments to truly make this team 'Championship Caliber' moving forward?  Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. 

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/

 

What slogan would you suggest?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

certainly the franchise is serious

bear in mind that a key strategy is Brady retiring and the Pats going down the tubes, so 7-9 could win the AFC East for a few years

 

I don't think Flores intends on coaching a sucker.  Just sayin'

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Bills 34, I’m betting the State would cough up half if the Pegulas basically will revitalize the downtown area, and probably build a couple more hotels.  I may be delusional, but if I were Terry and Kim, I’d go to Goodell and say we’ll build this and invest in this area, but you have to cough up a SB in the future.  I couldn’t agree more than a Lucas Oil stadium although I’d love for it to be retractable so when Miami comes up in December we open the roof.  By 2023, we should have four winning seasons, and much more national coverage.

 

Good take though bud.

I would love it if the state/county contributed even close to half the cost. I just cannot see putting more money into New Era. The Pegulas have invested some into downtown but more needs to be done. I don’t know if they will invest more or not but I am sure we will find out soon enough. 
 

BTW Lucas is a retractable roof- something similar would blend well with Buffalo’s architecture and landscape.

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited January 2, 2020 by billsfan_34

[Chaos]

3 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said:

The pieces are there and this is the best team we've seen in two decades. The Pats dynasty, meanwhile, is breathing its last gasp. The Jets have ole googly-eyed Gase at the helm and the Dolphins are two years away. 

 

Enjoy the ride while it lasts. 

Why are the Dolphins two years away. They just beat the Pats in New England.  Have 14 draft picks and 100+ of cap room.  

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said:

The pieces are there and this is the best team we've seen in two decades. The Pats dynasty, meanwhile, is breathing its last gasp. The Jets have ole googly-eyed Gase at the helm and the Dolphins are two years away. 

 

Enjoy the ride while it lasts. 

I think the 2014 and 2004 team were better but clearly the foundation is there.  
 

and this stuff is so silly to me but hey if a player gets motivated by it, it’s a good thing. 

[billsfan_34]

34 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Why are the Dolphins two years away. They just beat the Pats in New England.  Have 14 draft picks and 100+ of cap room.  

Fins can turn it around quick if they do it right- the resources are certainly there.

[Happy]

54 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Why are the Dolphins two years away. They just beat the Pats in New England.  Have 14 draft picks and 100+ of cap room.  

 

Agree.  The Dolphins will be Buffalo's main competition for the AFCE very soon.  Miami has a good GM and HC, they just need to hit on the majority of their wealth of picks.  They have something like six in rounds 1-3.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

53 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think the 2014 and 2004 team were better but clearly the foundation is there.  
 

 

 

Balderdash. Bollocks. Rubbish. Sheer nonsense.

 

[row_33]

2004, 2014?

 

blackhole of forgetabout

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, row_33 said:

2004, 2014?

 

blackhole of forgetabout

 

 

 

Right? Like I said, Bollocks.

 

[mattrock123]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

What slogan would you suggest?

It's cute to say you're Championship Caliber when you're regularly coaching not to lose.  I just don't think this approach will result in a Super Bowl.  Praying that they start proving me wrong on Saturday. Not asking for a 51-3 drubbing, but something along the lines of 31-10 would be ideal.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, mattrock123 said:

It's cute to say you're Championship Caliber when you're regularly coaching not to lose.  I just don't think this approach will result in a Super Bowl.  Praying that they start proving me wrong on Saturday. Not asking for a 51-3 drubbing, but something along the lines of 31-10 would be ideal.  

 

I'm sure proving you wrong is really high on their list of priorities.

 

 

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, mattrock123 said:

It's cute to say you're Championship Caliber when you're regularly coaching not to lose.  I just don't think this approach will result in a Super Bowl.  Praying that they start proving me wrong on Saturday. Not asking for a 51-3 drubbing, but something along the lines of 31-10 would be ideal.  

 

McD is too conservative, especially when he has a lead.  Prevent defense and going into a shell offensively are not recipes for victory over other "playoff caliber" teams.  This is something that McD will have to realize and grow out of.  

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I think "Championship Caliber" is just McD raising the bar for the team.  I wouldn't read anything more into it other than that.

[3rdand12]

On 12/30/2019 at 11:24 AM, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

What does he change it to after the Bills win the Super Bowl? 

Elephant slugs 55 mm  on full auto

26 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

McD is too conservative, especially when he has a lead.  Prevent defense and going into a shell offensively are not recipes for victory over other "playoff caliber" teams.  This is something that McD will have to realize and grow out of.  

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I think "Championship Caliber" is just McD raising the bar for the team.  I wouldn't read anything more into it other than that.

It is raising the bar for the Team. McD included.

 He is still learning. 

I do not  care how , or by how much they win.

This is the best team we have been a part of in decades.

Let it Roll !

 Go Bills

 beat that azz

Edited January 2, 2020 by 3rdand12

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 12/30/2019 at 11:17 AM, stevewin said:

I was waiting for this

 

As it should be. Reach one goal strive for the next.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 12/30/2019 at 11:19 AM, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Best coach we may EVER have had. Realize that will be an unpopular opinion, but I thought Marv should have been replaced after the first Super Bowl loss. He NEVER had control of his team in the way he should have. Had that team had Parcells or Johnson, we'd have two or three Super Bowls.

 

 

Marv was a great coach in that he could manage high maintenance personalities but he didn't have a process or culture, which is why McDermott maybe our best coach ever, when we get more talent we will be consistently great.

 

 

On 12/30/2019 at 11:24 AM, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

What does he change it to after the Bills win the Super Bowl? 

 

Legacy.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 12/30/2019 at 12:21 PM, VADC Bills said:

The Bills were fortunate to have the schedule work in their favor this year but we still could not beat the good teams consistently.

The Bills have trouble scoring more than 17 points per game.

I expect they will be better in these areas next year.

I would like to see Beane have a great draft scouting effort and picking the best players, as opposed to trading away picks to pick Josh Allen when Lamar Jackson could have fell in your lap (see Doug Whaley and Sammy Watkins). Not totally sold on Beane yet. 

 

Lamar wont last long, once his legs go he will be rg3, who was lamar before lamar, Kaepernick before that.

 

 

On 12/30/2019 at 4:27 PM, london_bills said:

Marrone started the messaging on the walls from what I remember.

 

Obviously we are in a good spot now with MCD, but Marrone Did some good things. 

 

Marrone was better than rex in that regard. 

 

every coach before McDermott didn't have his Process and thats what makes him great, hes still a work in progress as a game day coach but as far as a program goes hes next level.