DCbillsfan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Well, I looked for a glimmer. Most Bills out there today have been better. I hear you. It was a tough game for quite a few Bills today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Allen was terrible for the first 29 minutes and 30 seconds of the game. In the 2nd half I put our offensive struggles on Daboll. The run game wasn't working today. Where are the swing passes to the running backs? Comebacks? Slants? That's how you beat an aggressive defense. We ran it into their teeth over and over again. Mind numbing stuff. Poor, ultra conservative coaching all around. It's like you encountered a wild beast and safe is not sorry. But safe can be quite sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Allen was terrible for the first 29 minutes and 30 seconds of the game. In the 2nd half I put our offensive struggles on Daboll. The run game wasn't working today. Where are the swing passes to the running backs? Comebacks? Slants? That's how you beat an aggressive defense. We ran it into their teeth over and over again. Mind numbing stuff. A lack of slant routes really bothered me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 It comes down to hoping Mahomes can beat NE in the divisional round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Josh had some good throws but my oh my does he miss too many Thats your take away?! Not that the 2 most important plays of the game saw defenders in on the qb untouched? Not that the creative misdirection stuff was tabled for frustrating Motor runs on 1st down that would have been just as good as kneeling and starting 2nd and 10? How about how clear it is that Brady just folds under pressure but yet rather than pressuring him we kept giving them short passes to set up 3rd and short which is predicated on the idea you STOP them on 3rd and that's the only way such a game plan is effective. It would help if the D figured out the ball was only ever going to Edelman but yet, there he is running free converting 3rd downs like a mad man. Their conservative plan on both sides wasnt enough to overcome for the win. Allen on the other hand gave this team a chance to win. IMO hes pretty far down on the list of why this game was lost. Edited December 22, 2019 by gobills1212 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Pats were more physical. Bills tackling sucked. Hated the ultra conservative gameplan. Daboll or McCoach? Singletary has shown that he's capable (and potentially dangerous) receiving out of the backfield. On a positive note my sense of it is that this was another useful learning experience for Allen. He overthrew a few but he also connected on a few, two beautiful throws (smoke and Knox TDs). Not long ago he was overthrowing all of them. So he's starting to settle down I think. If we play NE again in the playoffs, a better effort on both sides of the ball, but within what the Bills are capable of, and I like their chances. If we are locked into the #5 seed I'd like to see Yeldon and Williams before it's over. Yeldon and Williams next week and playoffs. Not that Daboll knows how to use them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Statistically the Bills were soundly beaten, looking at the stats it is surprising it was so close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, finn said: I agree. Brady was on the bench his second year. Kelly was learning in the USFL There are exceptions, almost all surrounded by exceptional talent, but they're not going to include a raw prospect who had received zero quality coaching in college. Allen has done great in a short time with limited weapons to work with. If the Bills win no more games this season still has been a success. Brady came in to replace an injured Bledsoe in his 2nd year...started the rest of the season...and won the SB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 37 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: You hate the guy man we get the point Nah not at all man, Im still all in on him. Just really hoped we could have and the Allen we had against the cowboys tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: I do agree ? Oh yes. Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 The call on first and goal, UGH! But, they over throw in the next play, it was there. Got to make that one. Overall, the Defense was bad today ..., I’m not sure what the strategy was, but it didn’t work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, par73 said: Allen missed too many passes-- Knox again at the end. Can't beat Cheaters playing like that. Defense really struggled-- got little help from the offense. I call BS on this. The O had a great TD drive right before half to swing momentum in the Bills favor. Then midway through the 3rd quarter the O hits a huge play that puts them up 17 - 13. The D's struggles today were entirely on the defense. Bad tackling and a lack of energy right from get go were the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) my eight year old is on the computer watching bills highlights god he is a better fan than I am! 21 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Bills should of ran a fake punt when the Pats had no one back to recieve. Easy TD. Or just quick kick before they change up Edited December 22, 2019 by Golden*Wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Golden*Wheels said: my eight year old is on the computer watching bills highlights god he is a better fan than I am! that should be a short watch. not a lot of highlights today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, RyanC883 said: that should be a short watch. not a lot of highlights today. hes watching highlights from wins this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Stop Making Sense No, when a drive starts on the 1 yard line and you let them drive 75 yard after letting them do the same thing for a touchdown, you created your own problem. Hard to get in Rhythm when the d is on the field for almost 20 minutes on two drives... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m thinking the OL needs improvement in the offseason Where would you upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Golden*Wheels said: hes watching highlights from wins this year... nice. that should be a better watch! Knox run v Bengals still one of my favs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I don’t really buy into the moral victories here, this is not a great Patriots team. McD falls to 0-6 vs the Pats and this was the 2nd game this year that Josh couldn’t make the big plays to beat the Pats. Right now it looks like we’re a small-time team with a small-time QB and coach that can beat bad teams but can’t get the big W’s vs the good ones. Not a great Pats* team to be sure, but better at the fundamentals and much better offensive coaching than the Bills. That got them a 7 point win, that was in jeopardy of being tied with a minute to go. The Bills are not a small time team, but a team being rebuilt from scratch that is working its way into the big time. They are a few players short, and it showed today. It may not be the best Pats team we’ve ever seen, but they have 12 wins this year with a mediocre offense. The biggest difference today though might have been McDaniels vs Daboll. McDaniels had answers in the red zone and Daboll failed twice in that area. Edited December 22, 2019 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Yeldon and Williams next week and playoffs. Not that Daboll knows how to use them Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Thanks for your insightful input. No really, I'm not being sarcastic at all. I’m open to hearing an opposing take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, BurpleBull said: Where would you upgrade? OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: That was a near impossible pass, almost impossible to complete because of the Angle. I will be interested in what the "experts" on "22" say about that to. IMO that was a tough pass to complete. Folks claiming Knox was wide open don't understand how defenses stake out coverage's in the end zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I agree. After forcing the fumble on the 1st drive our D gave up a 7:30, 75 yard TD drive. The offense then moved the ball for 2 first downs and stalled at midfield. The Bills then punted the ball to the Pats 1 yard line. The Pats the went on an 8:30, 80 yard FG drive. So after forcing the fumble and well before they should have been tired, the D gave up 2 drives that chewed up 16 minutes of the game and scored 10 points. Our D started off playing poorly and I would submit that the D's poor performance contributed to the Offenses 1st half struggles as they were unable to get into a rhythm with the D unable to get NE off the field. This, if the defense was tired it was mostly due to their first half performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I blame this one Daboll and the O line Feel like every drive started with a run and 2nd and long followed by another run and 3rd and long. End of the game Patriots only rush 4 and our Keystone Cop O line cant block anyone Unimpressed with the D Cant allow 17 play drives or 6 yards per play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Nitro said: OT Cody or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: Thats your take away?! Not that the 2 most important plays of the game saw defenders in on the qb untouched? Not that the creative misdirection stuff was tabled for frustrating Motor runs on 1st down that would have been just as good as kneeling and starting 2nd and 10? How about how clear it is that Brady just folds under pressure but yet rather than pressuring him we kept giving them short passes to set up 3rd which is predicated on the idea you STOP them on 3rd and that's the only way such a game plan is effective. It would help if the D figured out the ball was only ever going to Edelman but yet, there he is running free converting 3rd downs like a mad man. Their conservative plan on both sides wasnt enough to overcome for the win. Allen on the other hand gave this team a chance to win. IMO hes pretty far down on the list of why this game was lost. Nice breakdown. Some def falls on Allen as well, the blame is all around. The missed tackles today drove me completely nuts as we did pretty damn well in this department all year. Tough loss all around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Mike Schopp is a troll. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Defence was poor today. Too much teflon tackling. That or the Pats were all covered in tarantulas. Josh needs another off season with Jordan Palmer. Lots of work to do or else he will be a bust. Bitterly dissapointed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffbills716 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: Thats your take away?! Not that the 2 most important plays of the game saw defenders in on the qb untouched? Not that the creative misdirection stuff was tabled for frustrating Motor runs on 1st down that would have been just as good as kneeling and starting 2nd and 10? How about how clear it is that Brady just folds under pressure but yet rather than pressuring him we kept giving them short passes to set up 3rd which is predicated on the idea you STOP them on 3rd and that's the only way such a game plan is effective. It would help if the D figured out the ball was only ever going to Edelman but yet, there he is running free converting 3rd downs like a mad man. Their conservative plan on both sides wasnt enough to overcome for the win. Allen on the other hand gave this team a chance to win. IMO hes pretty far down on the list of why this game was lost. Allen DID NOT give this team a chance. What game did you watch? The last time I checked, both defense and offense need to play well. Yes, the defense made mistakes, but you can't expect them to do everything. Edited December 22, 2019 by Buffbills716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 just wanted to extend my congratulations to Mike Tirico! His boys have won the AFC East 11 years running. He was so thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Don't need to watch replays or listen to analysis of this game. If you watched it was clear, they are not ready for prime time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, BurpleBull said: Cody or both? Cody is an OG. He can not handle speed rushers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Nitro said: Mike Schopp is a troll. That is all. lol. I notice he sounds happier after losses than he does after wins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, BurpleBull said: Where would you upgrade? OL Cornerback Edge Tall tough wideout (why not Duke???) Linebacker Kick returner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffbills716 said: Allen DID NOT give this team a chance. What game did you watch? The last time I checked, both defense and offense need to play well. Yes, the defense made mistakes, but you can't expect them to do everything. Defense put them in a hole early. Allen got them the lead. He had a rough game but it was the best defense in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I will be interested in what the "experts" on "22" say about that to. IMO that was a tough pass to complete. Folks claiming Knox was wide open don't understand how defenses stake out coverage's in the end zone. That play is exactly why we need a big "jump ball" type WR. None of our current guys have the ability to go up and fight for the ball and bail out the QB on a throw like that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Margarita said: moral victories are another word for Losses I agree with you Generally agree. But when they're accompanied by a 10 win season, I'll take 'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffbills716 said: Allen DID NOT give this team a chance. What game did you watch? The last time I checked, both defense and offense need to play well. Yes, the defense made mistakes, but you can't expect them to do everything. The one that had us winning going into the 4th qtr maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: lol. I notice he sounds happier after losses than he does after wins. Right! A year ago today I was driving on the 1-90 with my daughter. We pass him (has a personalized plate) and he is knuckle deep in his nose. She took a picture of it. Made us laugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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