Week 16: Bills at Patriots***(*), 4:30 pm on NFLN, Postgame

[RiotAct]

our fundamentals were atrocious today on defense, vanilla scheme or not.

[TwistofFate]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Ignore the facts because that's what you do. Tackling and Blocking, Coaching, Team game, 102.7 QBR against a team allowing 49.8, no turnovers, 2 TDs ....all facts you don't understand! LMAO

Ignore the facts?   Ignore Allen overthrowing a wide open Knox on the first drive.   Ignore his terrible pass on 3rd down to knox to tie the game.   Ignore missing a wide open Beasley multiple times.  I don't care about Qbr, i care about completion % and making the big throws when you need to win. 

 

This offense was aneimic, and a big reason was Allen not completing the wide open passes we needed. 

[Pokebball]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

Because you blitz Allen in a man coverage, and he fails.   Beat the blitz in man coverage and the defense backs off. 

 

Blitz Brady and pay the price if you don't get him...big difference. 

So Josh's 103 QBR to what the Pats normally hold opposing QBs to of 50?

[Nitro]

3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

A couple?  What game were you watching? 

 

How anyone could defend allen is beyond me.   

 

I challenge anyone to find one analyst, one sports commenter to say Allen wasnt the problem this week. 

 

It WONT HAPPEN.  We were picked against this week by everyone BECAUSE OF ALLEN.   Everyone how is anything said Allen wouldn't do enough to win this game, and he didn't. 

He had a up and down game against the number one defense in the league.  Over all his stats bears it out that it was a solid game. Not stellar.  The defense was the problem in the first half.  

[TwistofFate]

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You know, perhaps of the defense hadn't given up two drives totalling what, 29 plays, by you know ACTUALLY TACKLING SOMEONE, the offense may have had a better opportunity to make more plays.

What did the offense do?   Another one blaming everything on the defense that carried this team all year. 

 

Two horrible passes to Knox were the difference in this game. 

[Meatloaf63]

18 minutes ago, Nitro said:

The design is very simple.  More slants and drag routes are needed.  

I guess situationally it implemented poorly.  

[Nitro]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Here's my take on today's game:  Relax, we lost the equivalent of an exhibition game.  There, I said it. 

 

This was an exhibition game for the Bills no matter how much we fans wanted them to beat Brady and Pats.   So stop yelling at Daboll & the play calling and the D's lackluster play.  Look at how the Bills played from another perspective:

 

*  The Bills are not going to show their playoff opponents their latest blocking schemes for the zero coverage blitzes.  

 

*  The Bills are not going to show their opponents their latest blocking schemes for their running game.

 

*  The Bills are going to run on 1st down a whole lot because that's NOT what they're going to do in 2 weeks in the playoff game.

 

*  The D is not going to show their playoff opponents all their latest coverage schemes & blitz packages. 

 

*  What we got today was a vanilla offense & defense - just like you get in the last exhibition game.  It would have been coaching malpractice for McD & company to expose their current thinking in a meaningless game when we are in a playoff game in 2 weeks.

 

The fact is that in GAMES THAT MATTERED against Baltimore & Pittsburgh the defense played their hearts out.  Are you surprised that tonight, while playing a vanilla scheme, they were off their game?  I'm not.  After the last two games this D was due for a let down.

 

All in all I'm happy with how the Bills played.  They almost stole the game from a NE team that desperately needed to win.  In the 4 games against top competition the Bills are 2 - 2 and could have won every one of those games.  This team is close, very close.

 

As for Allen's detractors, he played well tonight with a limited game plan and limited play makers.  If you can't see it then you don't know how to watch football.  And why is no one talking about the fact that Allen hit on TWO perfectly thrown long passes?  If this is the new norm, then folks better watch out next year after we get done adding a few more pieces to the O.

 

 

 

 

 

NFL pregame show one of the talking heads said NE was treating this like a playoff game while the Bills were acting like this was just another game.  It mattered more for NE to win.  Most likely to rest the injured players

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

Ignore the facts?   Ignore Allen overthrowing a wide open Knox on the first drive.   Ignore his terrible pass on 3rd down to knox to tie the game.   Ignore missing a wide open Beasley multiple times.  I don't care about Qbr, i care about completion % and making the big throws when you need to win. 

 

This offense was aneimic, and a big reason was Allen not completing the wide open passes we needed. 

So the good plays don't count. Got it! 

 

Completion %? seriously thats what you care about. Allen has been great making the plays when needed in fourth qtr , so that point is irrelevant.

 

[Blank Stare]

Defense tackled today like they knew they had a 4% chance at the AFCE crown. That’s the worst they’ve tackled all year and it’s not close. 

[Pokebball]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

What did the offense do?   Another one blaming everything on the defense that carried this team all year. 

 

Two horrible passes to Knox were the difference in this game. 

I think everyone agrees that the D has done excellent all year overall.  They did pretty piss poor today.  The fact that you're arguing that really does hurt your credibility about any other opinions you bring  currently.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Pokebball

[boco357]

Was Gore even on the field today?  Dress Yeldon then, he was key in their first matchup.

[TwistofFate]

2 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

So Josh's 103 QBR to what the Pats normally hold opposing QBs to of 50?

How cares about qbr??? 

 

What was his completion% and how bad did he throw the ball TWICE to a wide open knox? 

 

Hell, how many yards passing did he have until the lucky bomb off his back foot to brown before the end of the first half????   19??? For under 50% completion%?

[JMF2006]

2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Ignore the facts?   Ignore Allen overthrowing a wide open Knox on the first drive.   Ignore his terrible pass on 3rd down to knox to tie the game.   Ignore missing a wide open Beasley multiple times.  I don't care about Qbr, i care about completion % and making the big throws when you need to win. 

 

This offense was aneimic, and a big reason was Allen not completing the wide open passes we needed. 

 

So JA`s 120 QB rating isn`t good enough for you

 

I don`t know what you want or expect from the kid.

 

He put the Bills in a position to tie it up and the blocking just sucked

[Pokebball]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

How cares about qbr??? 

 

What was his completion% and how bad did he throw the ball TWICE to a wide open knox? 

 

Hell, how many yards passing did he have until the lucky bomb off his back foot to brown before the end of the first half????   19??? For under 50% completion%?

Most people care about QBR.  But I get it.  It doesn't fit your narrative. 

[Phils n Bills]

I expected prior to the season that this team would finish around 8-8. I had absolutely no idea we’d be 10-5 AND competing with every single team in the league. Big picture, we are 10-5, an absolute threat to any team in the playoffs and we are still around 80 million under the cap (i may not be accurate with this number but I know we still have a ton of cap room). A game which is usually an automatic win for the Patriots came down to the last play. Bummed we lost a winnable game, but overall I couldn’t be happier to be a bills fan. 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

how many yards passing did he have until the lucky bomb off his back foot

 

Lucky, huh? No one can take you seriously now.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

How cares about qbr??? 

 

What was his completion% and how bad did he throw the ball TWICE to a wide open knox? 

 

Hell, how many yards passing did he have until the lucky bomb off his back foot to brown before the end of the first half????   19??? For under 50% completion%?

 

Knox wasn't wide open, particularly on the pass near the end of the game. 

 

Had Allen played like he did today back in the first game the Bills would have beaten the Pats by 2 scores.  How you can be all over 2BD throwing shade on Allen is beyond me. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[CEN-CAL17]

58 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Here! Here!  And get an edge disrupter and someone on the DL who can tackle.

I like Bud Dupree in FA also I think Kamal Martin from Minnesota is one of the best OLBs in the draft.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

How cares about qbr??? 

 

What was his completion% and how bad did he throw the ball TWICE to a wide open knox? 

 

Hell, how many yards passing did he have until the lucky bomb off his back foot to brown before the end of the first half????   19??? For under 50% completion%?

This about sums it up right here, hits Brown on a very difficult play luck, misses Knox by inches on another tough pass Allen's terrible. You're full of it.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Warcodered

[Pokebball]

Just now, JMF2006 said:

 

So JA`s 120 QB rating isn`t good enough for you

 

I don`t know what you want or expect from the kid.

 

He put the Bills in a position to tie it up and the blocking just sucked

I think Belichick would take Josh in a heartbeat after Brady retires...next year.  Imagine what Josh could do with that NE line and WRs.

[Jerboski]

2 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Most people care about QBR.  But I get it.  It doesn't fit your narrative. 

Lucky bomb, what was lucky about it 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Mopreme said:

Duke would have caught that ball. 

Don't laugh,  he might of......

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Knox wasn't wide open, particularly on the pass near the end of the game. 

 

Had Allen played like he did today back in the first game the Bills would have beaten the Pats by 2 scores.  How you can be all over 2BDthrowing shade on Allen is beyond me. 

 

When he through that fade on 1st down he had Andre Roberts wide open on a shallow crossing route at the goal line.

[TwistofFate]

Denial on this board is unbelievable. 

 

Find ANYONE outside of buffalo in the sports world, who doesn't call out josh allens performance as the main reason for this loss. 

 

Find ONE. 

 

ill be happy to post every major sports outlets accessment of this game, no problem. 

 

Allen didn't cut it....period.   game on the line...in the redzone... 4 chances to tie the game... You failed.   You failed with a wide open KNOX.   

 

Everything else is irrelevant. 

[Pokebball]

Just now, Jerboski said:

Lucky bomb, what was lucky about it 

He was lucky he didn't get hurt when he got hit 0.5 seconds after he let it go!

[jkeerie]

8 minutes ago, Nitro said:

NFL pregame show one of the talking heads said NE was treating this like a playoff game while the Bills were acting like this was just another game.  It mattered more for NE to win.  Most likely to rest the injured players

They won't rest.  Presuming the Chiefs win out, the Pats need next week's game to lock up the number two seed and the bye.

[Bob in STL]

I don’t think I have ever been as disappointed after a Pats* loss as today.  I thought we could win and change the fortunes of each franchise.  I really did. 

 

Game time comes and they blocked better and had long grinding drives.  

 

They tackled better.  

 

They made more plays. Especially on 3rd and 4th down and on their last 8 point drive. 

 

Brady was better than Allen.  Allen had some impressive moments but he missed open receivers and took sacks.  Sure, he was under more pressure but he left points on the field in every quarter.  

Edited December 22, 2019 by Bob in STL

[Pokebball]

Just now, JMF2006 said:

 

When he through that fade on 1st down he had Andre Roberts wide open on a shallow crossing route at the goal line.

No he wasn't.  Got a clip?

[TwistofFate]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Lucky, huh? No one can take you seriously now.

What do you call it? 

 

What percentage of qbs complete that kind of pass off their back foot while being hit? 

 

Hell what is Allens percentage on a deep throw period this year?  

 

It was a lucky pass.  I don't care what you take seriously. 

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

No he wasn't.  Got a clip?

Look I am not tech savy  and wouldn`t begin to know where to look for it.

[keepthefaith]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

This about sums it up right here, hits Brown on a very difficult play luck, misses Knox by inches on another tough pass Allen's terrible. You're full of it.

 

Bills probably win the game if Josh completes a few more relatively easy balls and is able to sustain mores drives.   Bills gave Brady too many possessions.  Josh is young so he can get better.  He needs to if the Bills are to be a team that can play winning football in playoffs. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

What do you call it? 

 

What percentage of qbs complete that kind of pass off their back foot while being hit? 

 

Hell what is Allens percentage on a deep throw period this year?  

 

It was a lucky pass.  I don't care what you take seriously. 

 

Keep digging

[Nitro]

12 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Ignore the facts?   Ignore Allen overthrowing a wide open Knox on the first drive.   Ignore his terrible pass on 3rd down to knox to tie the game.   Ignore missing a wide open Beasley multiple times.  I don't care about Qbr, i care about completion % and making the big throws when you need to win. 

 

This offense was aneimic, and a big reason was Allen not completing the wide open passes we needed. 

You seem to ignore the facts.  Defense struggled in the first half.  Allen with the deep ball got them in position to score and they did.  Tied at the half.  In the fourth the Defense squandered the lead with NE scoring 11 points.  136 yards and 10:30 off the clock.  Allen again rallied the team.  They were in position to tie it up.  Not many teams do that to NE in their house.  

[JMF2006]

Just now, TwistofFate said:

What do you call it? 

 

What percentage of qbs complete that kind of pass off their back foot while being hit? 

 

Hell what is Allens percentage on a deep throw period this year?  

 

It was a lucky pass.  I don't care what you take seriously. 

 

Obviously it was a planned route and he did complete it so give him credit

[Nitro]

12 minutes ago, boco357 said:

Was Gore even on the field today?  Dress Yeldon then, he was key in their first matchup.

To block.  Not one carry

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

When he through that fade on 1st down he had Andre Roberts wide open on a shallow crossing route at the goal line.

 

I might expect Drew Brees or Payton Manning to hit his 4th receiver on that type of play under those circumstances but we have to have realistic expectations of our 2nd year project QB.

 

 

 

 

[Pokebball]

Just now, Bob in STL said:

I don’t think I have ever been as disappointed after a Pats* loss as today.  I thought we could win and change the fortunes of each franchise.  I really did. 

 

Game times comes and they blocked better and had long grinding drives.  

 

They tackled better.  

 

They made more plays. Especially on 3rd and 4th down and on their last 8 point drive. 

 

Brady was better than Allen.  Allen had some impressive moments but he missed open receivers and took sacks.  Sure, he was under more pressure but he left points on the field in every quarter.  

Brady's QBR today was 90, his highest since week one.  His QBR in his prior five games was 32, 38, 29, 39 and 36.  That's on our defense.

 

Could Josh had been better, of course.

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I might expect Drew Brees or Payton Manning to hit his 4th receiver on that type of play under those circumstances but we have to have realistic expectations of our 2nd year project QB.

 

 

 

 

Josh didn't have time to go to his 3rd read, much less his 4th

[Nitro]

10 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I like Bud Dupree in FA also I think Kamal Martin from Minnesota is one of the best OLBs in the draft.

I think they will go after one FA top player.  Edge rusher is a need.  Murphy is strictly back up material

[JMF2006]

Just now, Pokebball said:

Brady's QBR today was 90, his highest since week one.  His QBR in his prior five games was 32, 38, 29, 39 and 36.  That's on our defense.

 

Could Josh had been better, of course.

 

119.7 to Joshs 120.6

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Most disappointing to me is  that we got beat physically. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by loveorhatembillsfan4life