How about MVP Lamar Jackson today?

[Mr. WEO]

15 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

 

People keep saying that to me and it's false. It's the 4th game I've seen, and I don't normally watch 4 games of the Ravens in a typical regular season. 

 

I stick by it, he's a great read-option QB. He will flame out as teams learn to counteract their deception behind the line. 

 

Lots of teams have had their shot to do so---including the 3 top NFL Defenses in the past 6 weeks.

 

Why haven't the best Defenses "learned to counteract the deception yet"?  What, exactly, are they waiting for? 

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Watching yesterday it looked to me like Allen was unprepared for the blitzes that Baltimore was sending his way.  I guess he is at his ceiling too.

No he is not.

Jackson’s OC is great at scheming for a running quarterback who struggles reading defenses and going through progressions.

Allen has Daboll. Brown called Daboll’s offense is most complex he has ever been apart of. 
From everything I know about the NFL and the game of football from watching it for 40 years and playing for a good bit, Jackson will need to be able to grow into a different style to have longevity. If he does not he is at his ceiling. It can happen, Mike Vick had some success later in his career with Andy Reid. Another great offensive mind. 

what is your agenda?   You think wins mask everything? Did you watch the game and saw Jackson’s TD passes? Teams are figuring him out. Lamar hasn’t shown he can throw to the outside to WR’s consistently. Good defensive coaches with the players will turn him into what we saw yesterday. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[Rampage]

2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

He had a bad game and still threw 3 TD’s. Humble yourself!

His “bad game” still gives his team a chance to win. Allen’s bad game makes it almost impossible.

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, pop gun said:

This would absolutely be a home run.

 

Jay Gruden is a really really good offensive coordinator, light years better than Dumbell!

 

I agree Jay Gruden is a better OC than Daboll.... but that is a not insignificant scheme change as Josh goes into a crucial third year. I'm not mad on that idea.

[without a drought]

if you want to dismiss thoughts of Jackson being a MVP candidate, I guess we should also dismiss the thoughts of Allen being a franchise QB.

[LJs Bodyguard]

15 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Then why has Roman been ran out of every job he’s had? He has a great playbook but he quickly runs out of options to expand it. 

San Francisco GM was dumb to let personal feelings get in the way when he fired Jim Harbaugh and the entire coaching staff. Rex fired him in week 2 of a season after the offense scores 31 pts....? Those 2 cases were completely out of Greg Roman's control.

[ILBillsfan]

three TD’s yeah we contained him too bad it was a diff story when they got down inside the ten.  He is pretty tough to defend down there 

32 minutes ago, Rampage said:

His “bad game” still gives his team a chance to win. Allen’s bad game makes it almost impossible.

That’s funny thought the Bills had a chance to win yesterday even w a bad Josh game

[Jrb1979]

15 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

This. Lotta nancies out today. Shameful.

What's so shameful? We all should be happy with 9-4? Allen and the offense didn't have a good game. Its like you can't criticize the Bills and you have to be a big Homer like Murph is. 

[SoTier]

15 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

We made him look pretty ordinary.

 

Someone in the 2nd half thread said he is a great read-option QB, nothing more, and I agree. He looked lost when Andrews went out of the game, and kept throwing to the backup TE who fortunately for them is a good football player. 

 

Hopefully, the book on him is now out. Don't fall for the ball trickery, set the edge, don't overpursue, and eliminate the TE's. Force him to throw long into tight coverage. 

 

Jackson threw 3 TD passes against the Bills top rated pass offense, including a beautiful 61-yard bomb to Haden Hurst.   It seems to me that that creates a new "book" on Jackson:  if you stop Jackson as a runner, he can still beat you with his arm.

[Elite Poster]

180 total yards and 3 TDs against a very, very tough defense. 

 

Allen does that and it's a gold jacket celebration here. 

[ILBillsfan]

17 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Jackson threw 3 TD passes against the Bills top rated pass offense, including a beautiful 61-yard bomb to Haden Hurst.   It seems to me that that creates a new "book" on Jackson:  if you stop Jackson as a runner, he can still beat you with his arm.

Well it want a bomb it was a fifteen yard pass blown coverages assignment.  The book is still there you make him throw outside the hash marks and not to the middle.   
 

Nice way to over paint that play

[SoTier]

48 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

No he is not.

Jackson’s OC is great at scheming for a running quarterback who struggles reading defenses and going through progressions.

Allen has Daboll. Brown called Daboll’s offense is most complex he has ever been apart of. 
From everything I know about the NFL and the game of football from watching it for 40 years and playing for a good bit, Jackson will need to be able to grow into a different style to have longevity. If he does not he is at his ceiling. It can happen, Mike Vick had some success later in his career with Andy Reid. Another great offensive mind. 

what is your agenda?   You think wins mask everything? Did you watch the game and saw Jackson’s TD passes? Teams are figuring him out. Lamar hasn’t shown he can throw to the outside to WR’s consistently. Good defensive coaches with the players will turn him into what we saw yesterday. 

 

Point 1 - We don't know if Allen or Jackson are at their "ceilings" yet.  At some point in the future, we should be able to determine that they are, but at present they are both second year QBs who've made excellent progress.  In fact, they have both made excellent progress as second year starters, but Jackson's progress has been spectacular. 

Point 2 - What we saw yesterday was a 2nd year QB who threw three TD passes to power his team to a win in a game when the defense limited the Ravens' running game to about 120 yards and another 2nd year QB who struggled against a fierce and persistent pass rush.

Point 3 - The Ravens don't have outstanding WRs, but they have a bevy of outstanding TEs.  They regularly use 3 TE sets as opposed to 3 WR sets.  Is that offense viable long term?  Maybe not but so far, no team has been really successful in shutting them down ... and yeah, winning masks everything.

[LJs Bodyguard]

Well, for the title of this thread...the MVP race between Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson is no longer even close at this point.

 

Lamar Jackson stats through 13 games: 109.2 QBR, 2677 Pass Yds, 28 Pass TDs, 6 INTs, 1017 Rush Yds, 7 Rush TDs, 3694 Total yds, 35 Total TDs

Russell Wilson stats through 13 games:  107.2 QBR, 3422 Pass Yds, 26 Pass TDs, 5 INTs,   312 Rush Yds, 3  Rush TDs, 3734 Total yds, 29 Total TDs

 

Total yardage and QBR is about even, but Lamar is ahead by 6 total TDs, plus the fact that Lamar went into Russell's own house and beat him. People love to ignore stats. He is simply the front runner because he has the best overall stats so far this season.

[Ramza86]

Had made the right throws and he was decent with accuracy. What else can you ask for from a dual threat qb.

[HeHateMe]

16 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

 

I don't think he lived up to the hype at all. 3 TDs is nice, but I didn't see the unstoppable force everybody was claiming he was the past 10 days on this board. 

 

I mean if Josh just played vs our D on the road and put up 3 TDs and won the game, everyone on this board would be caking their pants.

[row_33]

he walked out with a W from a tough road game

 

sorry if he didn't get enough style points from you

 

apparently he believes you can take you style points and shove them

 

[Scott7975]

56 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Jackson threw 3 TD passes against the Bills top rated pass offense, including a beautiful 61-yard bomb to Haden Hurst.   It seems to me that that creates a new "book" on Jackson:  if you stop Jackson as a runner, he can still beat you with his arm.

This is the kind of stuff I can’t stand. What beautiful 61 yard bomb? You mean the one where Poyer was confused and covered the wrong TE while hurst ran completely free for 50 yards of it after catching the ball?  That beautiful 10-15 yard bomb? Anyone on this board could have made that pass as long as they had one functional arm. 
 

I hate taking stuff away from Lamar. His team won the game. But he played just as bad as Josh yet the narrative is he played like an mvp and josh was garbage. That’s what drives me nuts

Edited December 9, 2019 by Scott7975

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

Well, for the title of this thread...the MVP race between Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson is no longer even close at this point.

 

Lamar Jackson stats through 13 games: 109.2 QBR, 2677 Pass Yds, 28 Pass TDs, 6 INTs, 1017 Rush Yds, 7 Rush TDs, 3694 Total yds, 35 Total TDs

Russell Wilson stats through 13 games:  107.2 QBR, 3422 Pass Yds, 26 Pass TDs, 5 INTs,   312 Rush Yds, 3  Rush TDs, 3734 Total yds, 29 Total TDs

 

Total yardage and QBR is about even, but Lamar is ahead by 6 total TDs, plus the fact that Lamar went into Russell's own house and beat him. People love to ignore stats. He is simply the front runner because he has the best overall stats so far this season.

 

 

Include yourself in that group.

 

You ignored this one:

 

Ravens Defense: 5th/6th in points and yards allowed

 

Seahawks Defense:  22nd/27th. 

 

There's a full TD difference to overcome between Wilson's team and Jackson.

 

It's closer than you think

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Mike Vick had some success later in his career with Andy Reid. Another great offensive mind. 

what is your agenda?   You think wins mask everything? Did you watch the game and saw Jackson’s TD passes? Teams are figuring him out. Lamar hasn’t shown he can throw to the outside to WR’s consistently. Good defensive coaches with the players will turn him into what we saw yesterday. 

 

The three  best "defensive coaches with the players"  have lost all 3 games to the Ravens, who have average 27 ppg against them.

 

Vick's "ceiling" was that he was a terrible passer and couldn't hit the water from a boat--not hard to scheme against that.

 

  Jackson has completed 66% of his passes this year.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Ravensfan0911 said:

Ravens fan here. 

I came here here because I was curious what opposing fans thought of Lamar jackson. I have to admit I’m a little surprised at the disrespect.

i understand the hype around Jackson is over blown but people who call him a one read “limited” QB don’t know football or haven’t watched him this year and are regurgitating old draft talk.

he wasn’t great today but he was playing a great defence on the road. He made some plays and his team beat a 9-3 playoff team on the road.

He’s a legit MVP candidate. He’s made plays with his arm and legs. If he’s not an mvp candidate who is??? Russell Wilson? Terrible game against the rams tonight. By many people’s logic on here he’s out of contention.... Watson ..... blown out by Denver at home..... mahomes? Maybe but he hasn’t played any better than Jackson this year. Too much stock is being put into 1 game. Show me an MVP who hasn’t had a bad game...

anyway my thoughts on the bills are they are a really good team and absolutely no one wants to play them in the playoffs. Great defense which will travel well in January. Josh Allen will work his way into being a top 10 QB before long

good game and hopefully we don’t see you again 

 

I hope you do see us again  

 

I agree with you that Jackson is a legit MVP candidate. 

 

Both QB IMHO were flummoxed and stymied by the defense.  Lamar won because he was a few good plays less stymied and more willing to take what he was given.  We're waiting to see what's up with Josh's sprained ankle but that may have been a huge factor for you in shutting down his run game (it was our center who injured it getting pushed back and stepping on it)

 

If you haven't, go to the Buffalobills.com site and watch Allen's presser from last week before the game.  He fields pounds of questions about Lamar.  Anyway, at one point some goon tries to stir up controversy asking him about being a nobody from Firebaugh that even Fresno didn't want vs the Heisman trophy winner star.  Josh shoots back to the effect that it's BS: "No one annointed Lamar or said he was the guy, he was doubted until he started  making plays and proved people wrong and having had some of the same path it's been awesome to watch"  You'll enjoy it, Allen came across as totally sincere.  Here the point I'm talking about is about 10 minutes in.  But it's a lot of "Lamar" in the whole thing. 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/josh-allen-a-lot-of-work-to-be-done

 

What you're going to see here and elsewhere though, is the side effect of that "not annointed the guy" phenomenon.  Let Lamar (or Allen) have a game where he looks limited or bad, and the doubters come out in force and numbers.  We see that on this board wrt Allen after every loss or even a win if he doesn't look as good as expected.

[atlbillsfan1975]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The three  best "defensive coaches with the players"  have lost all 3 games to the Ravens, who have average 27 ppg against them.

 

Vick's "ceiling" was that he was a terrible passer and couldn't hit the water from a boat--not hard to scheme against that.

 

  Jackson has completed 66% of his passes this year.

 

 

Maybe Vick never got the right coaching till he got to Andy Reid.  Think of what he could of been had he played for Reid from the beginning.

 

Look I have nothing against Jackson. I watched that game yesterday and the reason he got all three TD completions was due to his running. Jackson will lose a step and teams won’t have to focus on that as much in a few years. Until then he can possibly win a SB. The Ravens have a great HC and great OC and DC. 

[LJs Bodyguard]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Include yourself in that group.

 

You ignored this one:

 

Ravens Defense: 5th/6th in points and yards allowed

 

Seahawks Defense:  22nd/27th. 

 

There's a full TD difference to overcome between Wilson's team and Jackson.

 

It's closer than you think

Huh??? We're talking individual stats here....

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Maybe Vick never got the right coaching till he got to Andy Reid.  Think of what he could of been had he played for Reid from the beginning.

 

Look I have nothing against Jackson. I watched that game yesterday and the reason he got all three TD completions was due to his running. Jackson will lose a step and teams won’t have to focus on that as much in a few years. Until then he can possibly win a SB. The Ravens have a great HC and great OC and DC. 

 

Vick had 3 Pro Bowl years in Atlanta and took them to the playoffs twice (once the NFCC game).  He had 1 Pro Bowl year with Reid, 1 playoff game and then went into steady decline in the next 2 years--then free fall.

 

Andy Reid didn't create a new Vick...

 

As for Jackson, he's still learning the game.  Everyone here keeps saying that teams will "figure him out", but none has yet--he's beaten the top 3.  If his very accurate, very productive current passing game becomes broader with experience, he will become even more difficult to defend.

 

 

4 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

Huh??? We're talking individual stats here....

 

 

Look up, did something just fly over your head?

[DasNootz]

He's very good at running the option and releasing the ball quickly on the short stuff.  I haven't looked at his receivers' YAC, but I'd bet it's among the highest in the league.  His speed and running threat opens up so much.  The blueprint was already out on how to stop him - but that's much easier said than done.  Keep him in the pocket passing and defend sideline to sideline.  I actually thought the Bills did a very good job with containment. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Vick had 3 Pro Bowl years in Atlanta and took them to the playoffs twice (once the NFCC game).  He had 1 Pro Bowl year with Reid, 1 playoff game and then went into steady decline in the next 2 years--then free fall.

 

Andy Reid didn't create a new Vick...

 

As for Jackson, he's still learning the game.  Everyone here keeps saying that teams will "figure him out", but none has yet--he's beaten the top 3.  If his very accurate, very productive current passing game becomes broader with experience, he will become even more difficult to defend.

 

 

 

 

Look up, did something just fly over your head?

In Atlanta Vick won like Lamar is. Kept defenses off balance because they had to respect his speed as a runner. I know I watched the team. 
Reid helped turn him into more of a passer first that could run, much like Mahomes. i believe there is a difference. 
And as teams like the Bills put more game film out there with things that work in slowing him down, Roman and Lamar will need to adjust. Let’s see if they can.

Edited December 9, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[Big Gun]

56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The three  best "defensive coaches with the players"  have lost all 3 games to the Ravens, who have average 27 ppg against them.

 

Vick's "ceiling" was that he was a terrible passer and couldn't hit the water from a boat--not hard to scheme against that.

 

  Jackson has completed 66% of his passes this year.

 

 

I would hope a NFL starting QB could complete 5-10 yard passes to TE over the middle all day every game at a 70% percent clip. I really think any QB in the league could consistently do that at a very high completion %, oh by the way his TE seem to catch everything that is near them which can't be said for our TE.

Edited December 9, 2019 by pop gun

[dave mcbride]

18 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

 

People keep saying that to me and it's false. It's the 4th game I've seen, and I don't normally watch 4 games of the Ravens in a typical regular season. 

 

I stick by it, he's a great read-option QB. He will flame out as teams learn to counteract their deception behind the line. 

You seem awfully sure of yourself about this. I recommend letting his career play out. No one here can predict the future.

[ngbills]

Bills played Jackson great. Unfortunately he did just enough to get the win. Saw the open WR on the long play and delivered the ball. On his little trick play that is the difference between a TD and FG on that drive. So we shut him down but just not enough. 

 

I am curious if the people here saying Jackson sucked are the same that make excuses for our offense every week. You know the we are 9-3 or now 9-4 that is all that matters. Allen plays in the clutch when is needed so who cares what else he does. Yards mean nothing. Blah Blah Blah. 

[CaptnCoke11]

18 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

We made him look pretty ordinary.

 

Someone in the 2nd half thread said he is a great read-option QB, nothing more, and I agree. He looked lost when Andrews went out of the game, and kept throwing to the backup TE who fortunately for them is a good football player. 

 

Hopefully, the book on him is now out. Don't fall for the ball trickery, set the edge, don't overpursue, and eliminate the TE's. Force him to throw long into tight coverage. 

You must only watch Bills games.. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

What's so shameful? We all should be happy with 9-4? Allen and the offense didn't have a good game. Its like you can't criticize the Bills and you have to be a big Homer like Murph is. 

 

How bout them sabres? Lol

 

Pound sand, Nancy, no time for your negative waves

[Jrb1979]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

How bout them sabres? Lol

 

Pound sand, Nancy, no time for your negative waves

Them Sabres won again last night and are in a playoff spot. 

 

The Bills defense has been good but Allen wasn't good yesterday. Why can't you criticize his game? In case you didn't notice Allen didn't have a very good game. You keep looking through your rose colored glasses and keep saying 9-4 9-4 9-4. 

[timekills17]

18 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

To expound on what you've already said, this is the offense that took Kaepernick to the SB, Tyrod Taylor to the Pro Bowl 2 years in a row and now is setting all kinds of rushing and scoring records in Baltimore.  It is most definitely sustainable.

 

It's also the offense that saw the 49er's and Kaepernick look bad enough that they replaced him at QB and eventually in the NFL, and had Taylor drop 10 point in QBR and throw for 17 TDs in his second year. Athough...arguably due to Roman being fired, I suppose

 

Greg Roman should never have been fired for a team whose defense played terribly. But I'm not certain there's enough history to say that Roman's scheme isn't going to be figured out. So far, every offense gets figured out (see: Miami WIld Cat to Bills K-Gun to Rams 2018 season.) The question is whether the players and coaches are good enough to come up with another good offensive scheme.

 

Lamar is crazy athletic. Enough so that as long as he has a decent O-line, I have a feeling he'll do pretty well regardless of whether this scheme gets "figured out."

But I don't believe for a second that this scheme is so impenetrable that it won't be.

 

Hell, right now I'd say the trick is take Mark Andrews out of the game. Preferably by coverage rather than injury like against the Bills, but minus a blown coverage against Hurst once Andrews left it was a different game.

[CEN-CAL17]

19 hours ago, Bangarang said:

The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season.

Lamar was stopped all day.... Baltimore has great field position most the day, he completed a pass here and there. Take off the 60 yard TD he throws under 100 yds and rushes for 40. His first TD came from the 4 yd line that should have been backed up by 12 in the huddle. Then the 60 yd blown coverage by Poyer and the Snead TD where Edmunds was out of position and left his zone open. Lamar did enough to win, it wasn’t that impressive. Baltimore’s Defense and our lack of offense was the difference in the game. Lamar did nothing special that makes one say, “Lamar beat us, Lamar couldn’t be stopped, Lamar made plays left and right,” that didn’t happen. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by CEN-CAL17

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, DasNootz said:

He's very good at running the option and releasing the ball quickly on the short stuff.  I haven't looked at his receivers' YAC, but I'd bet it's among the highest in the league.  His speed and running threat opens up so much.  The blueprint was already out on how to stop him - but that's much easier said than done.  Keep him in the pocket passing and defend sideline to sideline.  I actually thought the Bills did a very good job with containment. 

 

Not even close.  It's not even in the top 20.  Maybe you were thinking of Mahomes?  Rodgers? Goff? Garroppolo?  Brady?  They are all in the top 5.   

 

1 hour ago, pop gun said:

I would hope a NFL starting QB could complete 5-10 yard passes to TE over the middle all day every game at a 70% percent clip. I really think any QB in the league could consistently do that at a very high completion %, oh by the way his TE seem to catch everything that is near them which can't be said for our TE.

 

His air yards per pass are more than Cousins, Rodgers, Brady, Wentz, Goff, Garroppolo, Mahomes, Brees...and Josh Allen.  So, he's not doing much different from most of the "true passers".    All of those behind him, as stated above, rely more on receivers' YAC to fill out their passing yards total.

 

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

In Atlanta Vick won like Lamar is. Kept defenses off balance because they had to respect his speed as a runner. I know I watched the team. 
Reid helped turn him into more of a passer first that could run, much like Mahomes. i believe there is a difference. 
And as teams like the Bills put more game film out there with things that work in slowing him down, Roman and Lamar will need to adjust. Let’s see if they can.

 

Again, after one decent year, Vick in Philly steadily declined (under Reid).

 

Mahomes was a passer who could run before he met Reid.

[T master]

20 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

We made him look pretty ordinary.

 

Someone in the 2nd half thread said he is a great read-option QB, nothing more, and I agree. He looked lost when Andrews went out of the game, and kept throwing to the backup TE who fortunately for them is a good football player. 

 

Hopefully, the book on him is now out. Don't fall for the ball trickery, set the edge, don't overpursue, and eliminate the TE's. Force him to throw long into tight coverage. 

 

 

According to Murph last week before the game our guy Josh is a much better passer of the ball but if you can't read the field & make quick decisions it's all for nothing !!

 

There were times Josh stood for LONG periods of time & didn't know what to do i hope he uses this as a learning experience & can put this one behind him but he could have & should have been able to do much better than he did & it would have helped if Duke was on the field IMHO !! 

[Big Gun]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

 

According to Murph last week before the game our guy Josh is a much better passer of the ball but if you can't read the field & make quick decisions it's all for nothing !!

 

There were times Josh stood for LONG periods of time & didn't know what to do i hope he uses this as a learning experience & can put this one behind him but he could have & should have been able to do much better than he did & it would have helped if Duke was on the field IMHO !! 

Or he was waiting for his WR hour long route to develop! Naw, that couldn't have been an issue though, right!

 

It must be all Allens fault because he didn't know what to do, are you serious! Really!

[Cripple Creek]

6 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

No he is not.

Jackson’s OC is great at scheming for a running quarterback who struggles reading defenses and going through progressions.

Allen has Daboll. Brown called Daboll’s offense is most complex he has ever been apart of. 
From everything I know about the NFL and the game of football from watching it for 40 years and playing for a good bit, Jackson will need to be able to grow into a different style to have longevity. If he does not he is at his ceiling. It can happen, Mike Vick had some success later in his career with Andy Reid. Another great offensive mind. 

what is your agenda?   You think wins mask everything? Did you watch the game and saw Jackson’s TD passes? Teams are figuring him out. Lamar hasn’t shown he can throw to the outside to WR’s consistently. Good defensive coaches with the players will turn him into what we saw yesterday. 

My agenda?

 

You are making blanket statements and I’m the one with an agenda?  I saw a very poised QB who, for the sake of the league, I hope continues to develop. I also saw another QB, with less options, appear confused. I hope that he too, for the good of the Bills, continues to develop.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Not even close.  It's not even in the top 20.  Maybe you were thinking of Mahomes?  Rodgers? Goff? Garroppolo?  Brady?  They are all in the top 5.   

 

 

His air yards per pass are more than Cousins, Rodgers, Brady, Wentz, Goff, Garroppolo, Mahomes, Brees...and Josh Allen.  So, he's not doing much different from most of the "true passers".    All of those behind him, as stated above, rely more on receivers' YAC to fill out their passing yards total.

 

 

Again, after one decent year, Vick in Philly steadily declined (under Reid).

 

Mahomes was a passer who could run before he met Reid.

In college. In the Big 12 where nobody plays defense. 

[jrober38]

Jackson was very underwhelming.

 

That was mostly because our defense is phenomenal though. 

[BillsFan4]