Week 12: Broncos at Bills

[Coach Tuesday]

This is a tough game because it will put the two biggest weak spots - run defense and pass pro - to the test.  Lindsay is the kind of back that gives the Bills a really hard time - he's patient in the backfield and explosive when he reaches the second level.  And Fangio will scheme some difficulties for Josh, including weird pre-snap disguises.  Fangio is smart enough to take away John Brown - Allen will have to go through his progressions to find someone else, all while hoping Ford holds up in his assignment against Von Miller.  The Bills should win this game but it's far from an easy one.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Chip Von Miller all game long please

 

They will give him help with Knox and Kroft, or at least they should.

 

I would not be surprised if the Broncos have Miller test Dawkins too on 3rd and longs to try to get the strip sack turnover from blind side. I would.

 

Ford is not the only worry. They should make it clear to both, if it comes down to a blind side hit on Allen, tackle the guy instead and take the penalty.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloMatt]

2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

You have to remember as well that Vic Fangio was the defensive coordinator for Chicago.  He's used to devising game plans against Minnesota. 

Nice insight 

[eball]

33 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If the team plays like they did yesterday they will win against Denver most teams.

 

Edited for clarity.

[BillsFanSD]

53 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Denver game has concerned me for weeks.  I never understood why people were chalking this up as one of the "easy" games.  Minnesota is a very solid club and Denver just went in there and put up nearly 400 yards of balanced offense. Denver has a pretty good D as well.   I'll take a late field goal and get out of this game alive.  

Denver isn't a pushover like Miami, but the Bills are a significantly better team.  I feel pretty good about this one, although it does figure to be a defensive struggle.  

[CaptnCoke11]

Buffalo will need to have a very good Offensive game plan against Denver.  Denver can run the ball and they’ll be lining up Von Miller over Ford.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Buffalo will need to have a very good Offensive game plan against Denver.  Denver can run the ball and they’ll be lining up Von Miller over Ford.  

And how's Denver going to put more than 10 on the board?
 

[Happy]

6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

And how's Denver going to put more than 10 on the board?
 

 

They put 23 up against Minnesota.  Don't underestimate them, take Denver seriously and that is how you beat them.  Don't AssUMe.

[RyanC883]

46 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

Denver played well for a half against a Minnesota team coming off a huge emotional win over the Cowboys - a game that very much mattered. Denver had a full week off to prepare and plan for Minnesota. Minnesota's D isnt as good as our D. Denver does have a legit defense. Playing that game in a dome in ideal weather helped their offense as well. 

 

We should win, but it will be a close game. 

 

I think we can't afford to start out slow.  Minny has the O to make up a huge deficit.  We don't have that type of O.  If we play our top game all game, we get a close win.  Denver will move the ball, we need to prevent TD's and FG.  Special teams is likely important to pin them back and let the D pressure a young QB.  

[PaattMaann]

10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I think we can't afford to start out slow.  Minny has the O to make up a huge deficit.  We don't have that type of O.  If we play our top game all game, we get a close win.  Denver will move the ball, we need to prevent TD's and FG.  Special teams is likely important to pin them back and let the D pressure a young QB.  

 

Why will Denver definitely move the ball? We have faced better offenses and they haven't easily moved the ball. Denver hasn't been an offensive juggernaut lol. They played better this week against Minnesota after having a full extra bye week to game plan and practice for them. They have a good run game and Sutton could cause White problems due to his size and physicality, but they have a young and inexperienced QB coming into not great weather against a really good D, on the road. We do need to play a full game for sure, and itll be close. I just dont see their offense as a problem if, as you say, we come to play. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Why will Denver definitely move the ball? We have faced better offenses and they haven't easily moved the ball. Denver hasn't been an offensive juggernaut lol. They played better this week against Minnesota after having a full extra bye week to game plan and practice for them. They have a good run game and Sutton could cause White problems due to his size and physicality, but they have a young and inexperienced QB coming into not great weather against a really good D, on the road. We do need to play a full game for sure, and itll be close. I just dont see their offense as a problem if, as you say, we come to play. 

 

People around here love to be afraid of the current week's opponent, whether it makes sense or not. While I agree Denver has a solid defense, their offense is - as you say - nothing to be afraid of.

 

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Why will Denver definitely move the ball? We have faced better offenses and they haven't easily moved the ball. Denver hasn't been an offensive juggernaut lol. They played better this week against Minnesota after having a full extra bye week to game plan and practice for them. They have a good run game and Sutton could cause White problems due to his size and physicality, but they have a young and inexperienced QB coming into not great weather against a really good D, on the road. We do need to play a full game for sure, and itll be close. I just dont see their offense as a problem if, as you say, we come to play. 

 

the Dolphins moved the ball last week.  I see Sutton having a game comparable to Parker.  Denver has 2 good RB's.  Philly moved the ball on us all day with 2 good RB's.   I don't think the offense can be taken lightly.  But I think we agree, the Bills show up in Q1, we'll be fine.  

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

People around here love to be afraid of the current week's opponent, whether it makes sense or not. While I agree Denver has a solid defense, their offense is - as you say - nothing to be afraid of.

 

 

if we don't take care of the ball, that D could give their O short fields to work with.  They have enough on O to put up points, esp. with a short field.  

 

I still think we win, but it won't be a blowout.  

[Tesla03]

Allen needs to start have good games against top teams. the excuses are over

 

look at Kyler Murray this season. if his team was slightly better they would have beat the 49ers yesterday.  he is probably going to be the next Russell Wilson. 

 

every top team we have faced this season  Allen has struggled big time to put up points. 

35 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

And how's Denver going to put more than 10 on the board?
 

 

we gave up a combined 41 points to Miami this season. 

[Wayne Arnold]

12 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

People around here love to be afraid of the current week's opponent, whether it makes sense or not. While I agree Denver has a solid defense, their offense is - as you say - nothing to be afraid of.

 

 

I’m much more concerned that the Bills will lay an egg and play like a crappy team than I am the Broncos will come out and actually look like a decent opponent. They stink.

[dakrider]

2 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

Allen needs to start have good games against top teams. the excuses are over

 

look at Kyler Murray this season. if his team was slightly better they would have beat the 49ers yesterday.  he is probably going to be the next Russell Wilson. 

 

every top team we have faced this season  Allen has struggled big time to put up points. 

Yes, you seem you would be much happier to see Allen with 350 yard games and the Bills with a 3-7 record. 

 

Broncos are better than Miami and they beat the Browns.  Broncos had a first and goal at end of Minn game and just didn't score on 3 plays.  They are certainly capable of winning though.  Just looking at a teams record and thinking Bills should win "this one" is not rational, same way as some thinking Bills won't win against Pittsburg or Dallas.  The NFL is not the NBA.  

[dave mcbride]

49 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Edited for clarity.

The one thing I'll say about yesterday that was deceiving was the near-complete lack of a pass rush by Miami. The Bills' o-line simply isn't that dominating, of course; it was mostly an effect of a terrible pass rush. Like all QBs, Allen tends to look good when he's not pressured. That's not going to happen next week. 

13 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

Allen needs to start have good games against top teams. the excuses are over

 

look at Kyler Murray this season. if his team was slightly better they would have beat the 49ers yesterday.  he is probably going to be the next Russell Wilson. 

 

every top team we have faced this season  Allen has struggled big time to put up points. 

 

we gave up a combined 41 points to Miami this season. 

7 was on a return, which is a fluke play.

[eball]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

The one thing I'll say about yesterday that was deceiving was the near-complete lack of a pass rush by Miami. The Bills' o-line simply isn't that dominating, of course; it was mostly an effect of a terrible pass rush. Like all QBs, Allen tends to look good when he's not pressured. That's not going to happen next week. 

 

I know, he literally had all day at times.  I wonder what his average snap-to-throw time was yesterday.

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Surprising spread after the Vikings game. Thought we would be home dogs again. 

What? Dogs at home against a 3-7 team? C'mon man!!

1 hour ago, stevestojan said:

Line is now Bills -6

That was my prediction, seems about right. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by billsbackto81

[PaattMaann]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The one thing I'll say about yesterday that was deceiving was the near-complete lack of a pass rush by Miami. The Bills' o-line simply isn't that dominating, of course; it was mostly an effect of a terrible pass rush. Like all QBs, Allen tends to look good when he's not pressured. That's not going to happen next week. 

 

 

It is also possible the line actually just really played well in pass pro...they have had moments where they have protected really well. I think its likely a combo of bad pass rush and good pass pro

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

It is also possible the line actually just really played well in pass pro...they have had moments where they have protected really well. I think its likely a combo of bad pass rush and good pass pro

Yeah, they had a good game. Actually, if you look at the Miami D, it has progressively played a lot better as the season has gone on.  Yesterday was the first game they gave up 400+ yards in seven weeks. Granted, they've been facing some horrible offenses (Mason Rudolph, Brian Hoyer, the Skins), but still. Also, I can't believe they gave up 643 yards -- 643!!! -- in week one. That is an unbelievable number.  

 

The pass rush is still bad, though - they only have 13 sacks through 10 games. 

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by dave mcbride

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I think that means a lot of "sharp" money came in on the Bills early.

 

quit being so cheesy    

 

[aristocrat]

denver had some big plays early on that gave them a big lead.  those stopped and the vikings just crawled back.  

[Tesla03]

1 hour ago, dakrider said:

Yes, you seem you would be much happier to see Allen with 350 yard games and the Bills with a 3-7 record. 

 

Broncos are better than Miami and they beat the Browns.  Broncos had a first and goal at end of Minn game and just didn't score on 3 plays.  They are certainly capable of winning though.  Just looking at a teams record and thinking Bills should win "this one" is not rational, same way as some thinking Bills won't win against Pittsburg or Dallas.  The NFL is not the NBA.  

 

I never said that. I want to see Allen put up points and win vs playoff caliber teams. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Tesla03

[r00tabaga]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

People around here love to be afraid of the current week's opponent, whether it makes sense or not. While I agree Denver has a solid defense, their offense is - as you say - nothing to be afraid of.

 

You know the old saying, "Defense travels well"....

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Tesla03 said:

Allen needs to start have good games against top teams. the excuses are over

 

look at Kyler Murray this season. if his team was slightly better they would have beat the 49ers yesterday.  he is probably going to be the next Russell Wilson. 

 

every top team we have faced this season  Allen has struggled big time to put up points. 

 

we gave up a combined 41 points to Miami this season. 

Please find another team to support. Your hatred is obnoxious and very boring.

[r00tabaga]

12 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

 

I never said that. I want to see Allen put up points and win vs playoff caliber teams. 

I'm surprised you actually showed up today. You have more balls than others. I'll give you that. Lol

[FLFan]

8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Please find another team to support. Your hatred is obnoxious and very boring.

Or rather, to not support.

[Tesla03]

10 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Please find another team to support. Your hatred is obnoxious and very boring.

 

please tell me how am I hating. I'm stating pure facts that Allen struggles to beat against any defense that isn't bottom 10 in the league. 

 

your calling me obnoxious when there are folks on this site who claim Allen has turned his career around b/c we just beat one of the worst defenses in NFL history. 

[Big C]

From what I could see, their Allen isn't afraid to take shots. Saw a few play-action passes go for big yards yesterday. They were definitely contested catches though. Sutton is developing very nicely and Fant is getting more action since the QB change. Their OL can be feasted on in the passing game, though and I think we'll be alright as long as we control the run game.

[Chandler#81]

2 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

 

please tell me how am I hating. I'm stating pure facts that Allen struggles to beat against any defense that isn't bottom 10 in the league. 

 

your calling me obnoxious when there are folks on this site who claim Allen has turned his career around b/c we just beat one of the worst defenses in NFL history. 

I could lay it all out for you, using EVERY one of your posts, along with charts and graphs, but frankly, just re-read this post. It’s all there.

Seriously, lighten up. Consider yourself ‘encouraged’.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

 

please tell me how am I hating. I'm stating pure facts that Allen struggles to beat against any defense that isn't bottom 10 in the league. 

 

your calling me obnoxious when there are folks on this site who claim Allen has turned his career around b/c we just beat one of the worst defenses in NFL history. 

 

Dude. Miami isn't even a bottom-10 pass defense this year, let alone worst all-time.

 

It's totally fine to point out that Miami is a bad team; it's ridiculous and unnecessary to state total falsehoods for the sake of marginalizing Allen's performance yesterday.

[PatsFanNH]

I see a close low scoring game. Here are my reasons:

 

1. Denver is good on D and will limit Allen’s ability, I also see a turnover or two keep it close.

 

2. Denver can run the ball pretty well but only have 1 truly good WR in Sutton

 

3. Bills D will keep the Broncos out of the end zone for the most part.

 

4. Both teams have been in mostly close low scoring games with the Bills pulling theirs out and the Broncos grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

 

final score?

 

Bills 14

Broncos 10

 

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by PatsFanNH

[r00tabaga]

Sutton looks like a stud.

Edited November 18, 2019 by r00tabaga

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

We need Cody to step up big time against Von Miller.  
Brandon Allen isn’t a scary QB to face. Staff has two games to study. I feel McDermott and Frazier can hold him in check. Run D will be tested again. 
 

Just blitz the living crap out of the kid like you did with Fitz. Eventually you'd think we'd  accidentally run into a interception? Get Ford blocking help from the RB. Tell your ST unit not to sh it the bed.

Edited November 18, 2019 by LABILLBACKER

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Just blitz the living crap out of the kid like you did with Fitz. Eventually you'd think we'd  accidentally run into a interception? Get Ford blocking help from the RB. Tell your ST unit not to sh it the bed.

 

Use Miller's first step against him.

 

Trap him early and often on delayed handoffs from spread shotgun formations. Use bubble screens to his side of the field to get him in pursuit and crack him with a play-side TE. Pile 2 TEs to his side and smash on him in the run game.

 

It won't take him out completely, but it'll slow him down enough to hit some plays down the field.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Tesla03 said:

Allen needs to start have good games against top teams. the excuses are over

 

look at Kyler Murray this season. if his team was slightly better they would have beat the 49ers yesterday.  he is probably going to be the next Russell Wilson. 

 

every top team we have faced this season  Allen has struggled big time to put up points. 

 

we gave up a combined 41 points to Miami this season. 

 

Denver is a top team?

 

Also, this offense has struggled to put up points.  Not just Allen.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Scott7975

[Putin]

4 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Ford vs. Miller is a terrifying thought.  

That’s probably what Allen is thinking 

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Putin

[dave mcbride]

49 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Dude. Miami isn't even a bottom-10 pass defense this year, let alone worst all-time.

 

It's totally fine to point out that Miami is a bad team; it's ridiculous and unnecessary to state total falsehoods for the sake of marginalizing Allen's performance yesterday.

?? -- Miami is last in the league in sacks with 13, is near the bottom in INTs with only 6, and are allowing a collective passer rating of 105.6. That is terrible. I am certainly higher on Allen than Tesla and think he's judging too harshly, but he's making an arguable point. 

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

?? -- Miami is last in the league in sacks with 13, is near the bottom in INTs with only 6, and are allowing a collective passer rating of 105.6. That is terrible. I am certainly higher on Allen than Tesla and think he's judging too harshly, but he's making an arguable point. 

 

Aren't they 20th in pass YPG allowed? I admit that I only looked quickly, and like I said I think the Miami-sucks point is valid. I also think that all too often hyperbole overtakes context.

 

EDIT: just looked. 20th in pass YPG, 26th in YPA allowed.

 

Bad, but not all-time bad 

Edited November 18, 2019 by thebandit27

[Doc Brown]

If we win this game we make the playoffs and if we lose we don't.  Until they lose this game and then I can talk myself into beating Dallas and Pittsburgh.