Big Blitz Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) We built a D built to cover....Read the article in the Ringer this week on how we built a team for the 2020s. Fast. And must cover. And get after the QB. I think we know this anyway. That's why we have Oliver. EDIT: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/10/25/20929585/beginners-guide-to-buffalo-bills-surprising-5-1-start And no doubt we can cover and get to the QB especially against poor to above average lines. The bad news.... We are not built to beat big physical olines like the Eagles have. Edmunds is probably not going to be a run stopping force in the middle. He was drafted because of his athleticism. Meaning, he can cover. And when it all hits the fan like it did today and those big linemen get in space on those screens, and the RBs are good like Philly's are, combined with a coach that knows how to call a game....you got what hit us today. The Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens---those are physical and good olines we'll see the down the stretch. I think they might have 3 of the best olines outside of Indy. This is something that can and has to be addressed NOW. Get a legit run stuffing DT like Detroit did last year with Snacks Harrison. Completely fixed their run D. If that guy is available get him asap. I don't know what Denver did today to slow down Indy and their run game but if anyone on their front 7 is available call them. The Redskins might be shopping Kerrigan to. That's 3 games left vs good running teams with great olines. Still have New England to. That could be 4 losses. And that's a problem. We have to address it by Tuesday imo. Edited October 28, 2019 by Big Blitz 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Harrison Phillips injury along with Star Latoulelei's massive regression are why we are where we are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Not sure if they’ll make the move to address it this year but I do think you’re dead on in your assessment. Harrison Phillips going down and forcing us to rotate in Kyle Peko has only exacerbated that fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Besides the issues in the middle of the line. The edge rushing is pedestrian at best this season. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Stars massive regression? He was just as bad last year.? And the couple years prior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Don't let Ted Washington leave town. 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: We built a D built to cover....Read the article in the Ringer this week on how we built a team for the 2020s. Fast. And must cover. And get after the QB. I think we know this anyway. That's why we have Oliver. And no doubt we can cover and get to the QB especially against poor to above average lines. The bad news.... We are not built to beat big physical olines like the Eagles have. Edmunds is probably not going to be a run stopping force in the middle. He was drafted because of his athleticism. Meaning, he can cover. And when it all hits the fan like it did today and those big linemen get in space on those screens, and the RBs are good like Philly's are, combined with a coach that knows how to call a game....you got what hit us today. The Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens---those are physical and good olines we'll see the down the stretch. I think they might have the 3 of the best olines outside of Indy. This is something that can and has to be addressed NOW. Get a legit run stuffing DT like Detroit did last year with Snacks Harrison. Completely fixed their run D. If that guy is available get him asap. I don't know what Denver did today to slow down Indy and their run game but if anyone on their front 7 is available call them. The Redskins might be shopping Kerrigan to. That's 3 games left vs good running teams with great olines. Still have New England to. That could be 4 losses. And that's a problem. We have to address it by Tuesday imo. Wait until we play Dallas. Physical on both sides of ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, TallskiWallski83 said: Harrison Phillips injury along with Star Latoulelei's massive regression are why we are where we are. I'd sure like to see Sean promote Vincent Taylor in leiu of Peko. I'd even reduce Star's snaps. We will need to be more stout up front in future games. I'm still not sure where Ed's proper position is? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I know this post is about the D and stopping the run; however, our problems here emphasize the need for our offense to score early and often, and then middle and often, and then late and often. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The DL has been mediocre for years now 9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'd sure like to see Sean promote Vincent Taylor in leiu of Peko. I'd even reduce Star's snaps. We will need to be more stout up front in future games. I'm still not sure where Ed's proper position is? I'd like to see Oliver get some snaps at DE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 You bend something back and forth enough times its going to weaken and break This defense gave up too many third down conversions and it showed in the 4th quarter Frazier has to sack up and be more aggressive or drop 8 and cover better Eagles had no deep speed yet we gave them too much room to operate Our D ends are absolutely invisible and Star is being pushed around Plus once again we could not bring the qb down The tackling in the pass rush vs the qb this year has been horrible We make immobile qbs look like Randall Cunningham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Oh look Philly just ran another screen for a 1st down... took 3 qtrs to stop it. Well done Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: The DL has been mediocre for years now I'd like to see Oliver get some snaps at DE So would I, in fact I thought the orginal plan for Ed was to be an "in motion" hybrid DE. Moving all along the line. That has yet to happen. He's not big enough to ever be a 1 tech DT. Edited October 28, 2019 by LABILLBACKER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) At some point soon, the Bills will have to address The DE and DT positions. I don't believe that Harrison Phillips is the answer either. The Bills will also need a dynamic MLB and move Edmunds outside next year. The Bills are improving, and McDermott is really getting the most that he can out of the players that he has. This rebuild is moving along, but I would focus on playmaking defensive players and a Wr in the 2020 draft. Edited October 28, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Frazier has to sack up and be more aggressive or drop 8 and cover better Eagles had no deep speed yet we gave them too much room to operate In all seriousness, I can’t recall us consistently playing our corners up and pressing the receivers. It may have happened during Rex’s years, but I just don’t recall it being done consistently for like 20 years now. DC after DC, corners are always playing off. It’s infuriating. Edited October 28, 2019 by TheProcess 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I know this is about the run, but where has Hughes been all year? He used to be a force, now he's invisible. Murphy has been at least good against the run. Edmunds this year is still awesome in cover but seems to me to have regressed against the run. The Bills D has really been gouged at times against the run in the last 3 years but hold on to your worries. I think the Eagles coach is really a wiz at designing plays that confuses the D. It wasn't straight them getting overpowered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Edmunds is better in space than in the slop/traffic. He probably would fare better as a OLB of course it helps if your D tackles dont get pushed back 5 yards. The ends have been terrible Lawson is actually been the best of the bunch because its paytime I think Hughes is either hurt or has lost a step. Murphy sucks, he makes me wish for the return of Chris kelsay. Oliver so far looks like a whiff or a guy who doesnt have a true position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: The DL has been mediocre for years now I'd like to see Oliver get some snaps at DE I was thinking the same thing just now on the way to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 They better fix the run D. They'll be getting a steady diet of run plays until they show that they can stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Not sure why the loses projected by the OP are a "problem." I have them all as losses. I had today as a loss prior to the game, and NE as well. That's about what this team is: good enough to be a wildcard playoff team with a 10-6 record, maybe even better. My concern is the playoff game, which will only be against a good team, not a crappy team, and they are probably going to have a good QB, an offense that can score, a good OL, a good D, etc etc. We'll get to that game but go no further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Not sure why the loses projected by the OP are a "problem." I have them all as losses. I had today as a loss prior to the game, and NE as well. That's about what this team is: good enough to be a wildcard playoff team with a 10-6 record, maybe even better. My concern is the playoff game, which will only be against a good team, not a crappy team, and they are probably going to have a good QB, an offense that can score, a good OL, a good D, etc etc. We'll get to that game but go no further. You all go on about this game being a loss. Its not that they lost, its how bad they looked. For a team who prides itself on its defense, they got blown out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: We built a D built to cover....Read the article in the Ringer this week on how we built a team for the 2020s. Fast. And must cover. And get after the QB. I think we know this anyway. That's why we have Oliver. And no doubt we can cover and get to the QB especially against poor to above average lines. The bad news.... We are not built to beat big physical olines like the Eagles have. Edmunds is probably not going to be a run stopping force in the middle. He was drafted because of his athleticism. Meaning, he can cover. And when it all hits the fan like it did today and those big linemen get in space on those screens, and the RBs are good like Philly's are, combined with a coach that knows how to call a game....you got what hit us today. The Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens---those are physical and good olines we'll see the down the stretch. I think they might have 3 of the best olines outside of Indy. This is something that can and has to be addressed NOW. Get a legit run stuffing DT like Detroit did last year with Snacks Harrison. Completely fixed their run D. If that guy is available get him asap. I don't know what Denver did today to slow down Indy and their run game but if anyone on their front 7 is available call them. The Redskins might be shopping Kerrigan to. That's 3 games left vs good running teams with great olines. Still have New England to. That could be 4 losses. And that's a problem. We have to address it by Tuesday imo. So are u saying every time its windy and a team is forced to run against us we will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The defense was playing great until Allen giftwrapped the Eagles 7. All today proved is that this defense can’t carry Allen for 16 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 You mean sort of like the Indy Defenses of old, built for an offense that can go toe to toe with anybody. Instead, we have whatever this is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 ive noticed this is a finesse D built more on quickness than power. we rely on being able to shut down either the pass or run. if we run into a team like today that has success at doing both we struggle.. even against miami last week with fitz you could see it. The thing we do through pressure is to hurry the qb into making bad decisions and try to capitalize on turnovers. once we face elite qbs that will be harder to do. Fitz is Fitz but that dude dont scare easy and you could see for the most part we didnt effect his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Edmunds is better in space than in the slop/traffic. He probably would fare better as a OLB of course it helps if your D tackles dont get pushed back 5 yards. The ends have been terrible Lawson is actually been the best of the bunch because its paytime I think Hughes is either hurt or has lost a step. Murphy sucks, he makes me wish for the return of Chris kelsay. Oliver so far looks like a whiff or a guy who doesnt have a true position Edmunds belongs on the outside and he probably will be next year. Time to start looking for a Mlb. 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: We built a D built to cover....Read the article in the Ringer this week on how we built a team for the 2020s. Fast. And must cover. And get after the QB. I think we know this anyway. That's why we have Oliver. And no doubt we can cover and get to the QB especially against poor to above average lines. The bad news.... We are not built to beat big physical olines like the Eagles have. Edmunds is probably not going to be a run stopping force in the middle. He was drafted because of his athleticism. Meaning, he can cover. And when it all hits the fan like it did today and those big linemen get in space on those screens, and the RBs are good like Philly's are, combined with a coach that knows how to call a game....you got what hit us today. The Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens---those are physical and good olines we'll see the down the stretch. I think they might have 3 of the best olines outside of Indy. This is something that can and has to be addressed NOW. Get a legit run stuffing DT like Detroit did last year with Snacks Harrison. Completely fixed their run D. If that guy is available get him asap. I don't know what Denver did today to slow down Indy and their run game but if anyone on their front 7 is available call them. The Redskins might be shopping Kerrigan to. That's 3 games left vs good running teams with great olines. Still have New England to. That could be 4 losses. And that's a problem. We have to address it by Tuesday imo. Bills needs. DE, DT and Mlb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Star is anything but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Edmunds belongs on the outside and he probably will be next year. Time to start looking for a Mlb. Bills needs. DE, DT and Mlb. so the needs for a true #1 wr , LT and a rb with explosion gets put off yet again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Edmunds belongs on the outside and he probably will be next year. Time to start looking for a Mlb. Bills needs. DE, DT and Mlb. I doubt Edmunds moves outside; his primary responsibility is to cover short passes over the middle, while assisting in run stopping. The DT's are primarily responsible for run stopping. Unfortunately, our DT's are getting pushed all over the place. Oliver needs to put on a lot of weight since he's undersized now, Star needs to go, Peko shouldn't be playing in the NFL, and we're missing Harrison Phillips. Besides that, a DE is needed. Murphy needs to go, Hughes has some gas in the tank, and Shaq Lawson will hopefully get re-signed. Edited October 28, 2019 by Happy Gilmore 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: So are u saying every time its windy and a team is forced to run against us we will lose. Also, it's to consider a dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: The defense was playing great until Allen giftwrapped the Eagles 7. All today proved is that this defense can’t carry Allen for 16 games. You mean, the defense that got ran over and saw Wallace exploited for the second game in a row? Senile denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: I doubt Edmunds moves outside; his primary responsibility is to cover short passes over the middle, while assisting in run stopping. The DT's are primarily responsible for run stopping. Unfortunately, our DT's are getting pushed all over the place. Oliver needs to put on a lot of weight since he's undersized now, Star needs to go, Peko shouldn't be playing in the NFL, and we're missing Harrison Phillips. I believe that Edmunds will go outside...it is more his natural position, and given time he will excel. Outside of Oliver, Lawson and Jordan Phillips, the Bill Dts are overmatched and marginally talented bums. Yes, Star needs to go.I don't think Harrison Philips is the answer either. As the season goes on the deficits of some of these players will become more evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Since Watt is injured go for Kerrigan or Joey Bosa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: so the needs for a true #1 wr , LT and a rb with explosion gets put off yet again Beane can pull it off. He already stated that he will draft well and not be afraid to utilize the right FA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I doubt Edmunds moves outside; his primary responsibility is to cover short passes over the middle, while assisting in run stopping. The DT's are primarily responsible for run stopping. Unfortunately, our DT's are getting pushed all over the place. Oliver needs to put on a lot of weight since he's undersized now, Star needs to go, Peko shouldn't be playing in the NFL, and we're missing Harrison Phillips. Besides that, a DE is needed. Murphy needs to go, Hughes has some gas in the tank, and Shaq Lawson will hopefully get re-signed. These points are all entirely valid. The run defense has some pieces that simply haven't worked over the past two weeks and could be a problem going forward. But what we're not talking about is what DIDN'T happen and continues to NOT happen. We're not seeing the kind of game changing plays or drive killing sacks that put the opposing offense in negative down and distance situations. The defense is most certainly lacking that elite edge rusher that must be accounted for and the sum of the parts just isn't enough. I've seen plenty of 3rd and long stops this season, but I haven't seen nearly enough of them end with the a Bill in the quarterbacks mug forcing a huge mistake. A premier edge rusher covers up a lot of deficiencies in other areas. 4 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Since Watt is injured go for Kerrigan or Joey Bosa I really can't figure out if this is shtick or if you're being serious in regards to the players you'd like to see the Bills target. Edited October 28, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I know the Bills coaches and players will figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I know the Bills coaches and players will figure it out. They know the issue... But I hope they have the horses to execute the fix. When teams can take you to the woodshed between the tackles it tough to win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: These points are all entirely valid. The run defense has some pieces that simply haven't worked over the past two weeks and could be a problem going forward. But what we're not talking about is what DIDN'T happen and continues to NOT happen. We're not seeing the kind of game changing plays or drive killing sacks that put the opposing offense in negative down and distance situations. The defense is most certainly lacking that elite edge rusher that must be accounted for and the sum of the parts just isn't enough. I've seen plenty of 3rd and long stops this season, but I haven't seen nearly enough of them end with the a Bill in the quarterbacks mug forcing a huge mistake. A premier edge rusher covers up a lot of deficiencies in other areas. So true. Our supposedly top 5 defense not only can't stop the run, they're not getting to the QB or disrupting plays in the backfield...all due to not being able to penetrate the O-line. Unfortunately, I do not see them getting a DE or DT before the trade deadline. This means that a scheme change is necessary; there is no way McD and Frazier can keep doing things the way they've been and expect success. Brian Flores and his tanking Miami Dolphins team exposed them. If Adrian Peterson puts up 200 yards and we cannot harass Haskins or Keenum, our defensive masterminds didn't do their jobs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) The Eagles took the Bills apart. Thats all there is to it. Edited October 28, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jerome007 said: I know this is about the run, but where has Hughes been all year? He used to be a force, now he's invisible. Murphy has been at least good against the run. Edmunds this year is still awesome in cover but seems to me to have regressed against the run. The Bills D has really been gouged at times against the run in the last 3 years but hold on to your worries. I think the Eagles coach is really a wiz at designing plays that confuses the D. It wasn't straight them getting overpowered. I thought about this today. There have been folks saying that his game is finally tailing off and we need a pass rushing end earlier this year, but I thought perhaps it was a slow start, but I cannot recall a year where his name was mentioned so infrequently. He had that hustle fumble recovery play last week, but really has not been as much of a factor rushing the QB. May be time to start developing a young DE or shopping for a proven commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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