familykwi Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 To be honest, I'm guessing here. It's obvious we want to throw, but we have mediocre success with the passing game, therefore I don't think we have an identity. We don't complete shots downfield, we don't control the slot. We just make occasional completions throughout the game without any clear attempt to have real offensive control. I really feel like we call a play, watch with curiosity to see what exactly Josh is going to do, then call something else. In no game plan that I can think of do we seem to attack an opponent's weakness. This offense looks very similar from game to game without much adjustment to who we're playing against. I also hear no talk from players about how confident, or impressed they are with the game plans. I know this team build is about grooming Josh, but what are we grooming him to be exactly? I cannot figure it out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We have a highly erratic offensive coordinator...he is so unpredictable our own players dont even know whats going on lmao 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 This offense has NO Identity! Play calling is inconsistent and Dabol is constantly using JA in situations where our running backs should be pounding the ball. Of course we need that proven #1 Receiver on the team, but the play calling is below par. Passing yardage statistics, although not the definitive Measuring stick for a QB, does show not only the ability of a QB but also Pass play selection and the downfield ability of a QB. I'm sorry but Dabol has to be replaced. It won't happen this year (too late) but it has to happen in the off season before we ruin another QB prospect. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 He appears to be a problem, he’s certainly not THE problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Players are constantly getting plays confused. Saw it multiple times today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I do hate our gameplan most weeks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junyto Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We got exposed today. We'll see next week what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Daboll was bad today, but sometimes your guy just needs to whip the guy in front of him. That didn’t happen nearly enough to win this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: This offense has NO Identity! Play calling is inconsistent and Dabol is constantly using JA in situations where our running backs should be pounding the ball. Of course we need that proven #1 Receiver on the team, but the play calling is below par. Passing yardage statistics, although not the definitive Measuring stick for a QB, does show not only the ability of a QB but also Pass play selection and the downfield ability of a QB. I'm sorry but Dabol has to be replaced. It won't happen this year (too late) but it has to happen in the off season before we ruin another QB prospect. I thought they needed to dump him after last season. Doesn't stick with what is working ...its like he's experimenting the entire game. This offense won't be able to get out of its own way as long as he is here. QB run on 3rd and 2 says it all. Edited October 27, 2019 by Azucho98 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 That's the "genius" offense.... you know the one the guy said is the most complicated one he ever played in ever, which is what we designed for our rookie QB apparently.... and also we just throw throw throw the ball all the time. I mean I was a guy who wanted to throw it more but, I feel like our offense needs to adapt week to week based on the competition and what is working. He puts a lot on Allen and so far Allen hasnt' quite been able to live up to it in any game really (Except maybe vs Giants?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Daboll has consistently had the wrong personnel in for plays since he has arrived. If this season goes bad I think we will see how Josh really feels about Daboll. I think Josh can’t stand Daboll. I know I can’t. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We lost, the seasons over and the "sky is falling!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 What I don’t understand is why the run the ball 11 times when the eagles are blitzing every play run the ball slow down that pass rush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We have an identity. We throw the ball short to intermediate. Sprinkle in the run so it doesn’t look like it’s a madden game with all passes. Im personally not a fan of our OC. But it’s clear we win or lose with Josh Allen. We aren’t trying to hide him at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Bring in Chip Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Gore is a having solid season but he’s not the guy you want your run game to be focused around at this point in his career. Week after week we watch them stroll him out their early in games when they plan on running, then take him out in passing situations. He’s a tough back, but he’s not helping this offense get moving early in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: He appears to be a problem, he’s certainly not THE problem. This... is an accurate statement. There were a host of flaws today and last week against the Dolphins. The Bills have had a soft schedule and a fast start with no apologies for either, but have yet to prove they can hang with teams that have better records and coaching. This team is not there yet, and has been exposed the last two weeks. Is what it is, but I think how McD handles these next few weeks will say a lot about where this organization truly is in regards to their journey to try to become a playoff-caliber team. They may be a few pieces short, but I have always felt that a lot comes down to game planning and schemes that give the personnel you have on your roster the best chance of winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Azucho98 said: I thought they needed to dump him after last season. Doesn't stick with what is working ...its like he's experimenting the entire game. This offence won't be able to get out of its own way as long as he is here. QB run on 3rd and 2 says it all. Right? Most games when our running game is clicking , Dabol will then get pass happy. With the arm JA has and for us not to be taking shots down field is obscene and frankly, a head scratcher. This either points to lack of confidence in JA or the talent around him. I think it's a bit of both. He's not the right OC for this kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 No identity on offense and often poor design or wrong situational play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Go Sabres 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 More screen plays would be nice 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, BananaB said: Gore is a having solid season but he’s not the guy you want your run game to be focused around at this point in his career. Week after week we watch them stroll him out their early in games when they plan on running, then take him out in passing situations. He’s a tough back, but he’s not helping this offense get moving early in games. Tough to do when you only get 9 carries the entire game. We ran the ball a whole 12 times today in crap weather with our RB's. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBobby Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We kill drives with weird running plays to a 36 yo rb. That's our identity. When we lined up on 3-1 early in the first with dimarco and gore. I said to my wife and kid...game over. If that's our strategy today, we aren't going to win. Can't quit important drives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: Tough to do when you only get 9 carries the entire game. We ran the ball a whole 12 times today in crap weather with our RB's. Which is my point. We have an above average running game, why are we not using it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Returntoglory said: Which is my point. We have an above average running game, why are we not using it??? I have absolutely no idea? Meanwhile the Eagles ran it down our throats 36 times today. Daboll is a pass first OC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 It’s hard to have an identity when they do so few things well. I don’t care about identity as much as scoring points, which means catching passes, blocking to set up screens , not false starting etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Hard to have an identity on offense when the HC makes building the defense a priority in years 1 and 2 of a complete rebuild. Well, aside from drafting a QB they did very little on offense in (EDIT: 2017-18), hurried to catch up this past off-season and expected the offense to make a huge leap to being average from 2018. It has failed miserably through 7 games. Edited October 27, 2019 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familykwi Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, vorpma said: We lost, the seasons over and the "sky is falling!" A bit dismissive. What intelligent, well reasoned point are you making here? I think this thread is valid regardless of the outcome. Could you have defined our identity after last week's game? The sky is not falling, we lost to a good team. No disgrace there. I'd just like to see us do something in particular well to help us build consistency and confidence offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 It seems like the Bills would like to say they're a run oriented offense with play action passing but in reality their a hack rushing offense and end up putting JA in position to have to play perfect football in order to proceed. In this game Singletary made a nice run after the catch to score 1 TD, but did anyone else on offense make any great plays? Bills want Allen to run the ball on 3rd and 4th and 2's but don't want him to play "reckless". I think Allen is learning to play exactly how the Bills coaching staff wants him to and that is a big part of the problem! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: He appears to be a problem, he’s certainly not THE problem. This is well said. "Play calling" may not be the best it could be but it has nothing to do with why we lost today or why we lost to the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, thronethinker said: Players are constantly getting plays confused. Saw it multiple times today. They've already said it's the most complicated offense they've ever dealt with. Not to mention Dumbell's plays take way too long to develop. And this puts Josh at risk of strip sack fumbles. I don't see Dumbell surviving after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 You Mods are ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 There is plenty of blame to go around after this game for sure. The play calling is a head scratcher for sure at times. The big problem I have is not making proper use of a dynamic player like Singletary. The guy was showing really great numbers for his limited touches early on before the hamstring injury, now he is finally back and again being totally under utilized. Get this guy the ball, especially out in space and good things happen as with today’s TD. The OC’s decision to keep this guy on the bench or only used as a decoy is just plain dumb and really unexplainable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Dabol sucks. End of thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) We have an identity. It is called STUPIDITY. Edited October 27, 2019 by Azucho98 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Not sure why we don’t run the ball more with our RB’s, but it’s hard to gameplan around an inaccurate, turnover prone QB, who can’t hit a deep ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We started the season with rhythm passing, short completions, move the chains. Keeps Josh upright and the offense gets good time of possession. Now we will go entire halves with none of that. Easy to blame the OC, but C'mon Daboll you have to take into account how your defense is playing, weather etc., and adjust man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Tough to do when you only get 9 carries the entire game. We ran the ball a whole 12 times today in crap weather with our RB's. Agreed. It’s been the same most of the season. I think Gore had 4 of those carries on the first two drives. Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Hard to have an identity on offense when the HC makes building the defense a priority in years 1 and 2 of a complete rebuild. Well, aside from drafting a QB they did very little on offense in (EDIT: 2017-18), hurried to catch up this past off-season and expected the offense to make a huge leap to being average from 2018. It has failed miserably through 7 games. QB 7th overall, 2 OTs and a WR taken at the top of the 2nd round. McD is a defensive HC and he hasn’t had good OCs leading his offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: We started the season with rhythm passing, short completions, move the chains. Keeps Josh upright and the offense gets good time of possession. Now we will go entire halves with none of that. Easy to blame the OC, but C'mon Daboll you have to take into account how your defense is playing, weather etc., and adjust man. Defensive units have a pretty clear cut goal - prevent the other team from scoring and try to make them punt, get a turnover when you can. On offense it should be try to score every time you have the ball. In certain situations such as the end of a half or end of game then worry about managing the clock. Bills coaches seem perfectly content to just try to get a first down and then punt and play field position. Successful teams: Whats are plan on offense? To score a touchdown! How we going to do that? Get first downs! Bills - Whats are plan on offense? Run some plays and see if they work, run some time off the clock, then punt and play field position, let the defense win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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