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The only criticism here is, "why didn't he keep doing it?" He should have done everyone a favor and keep taking the penalties and time.

 

I turned this game on early in the 1st quarter, and I was done with it before the end of the 1st quarter.

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5 minutes ago, voodoo poonani said:

Belicheat does it again! This time with a loophole, takes 1 min 22 sec off of the clock.

 

Nobody goes through the rulebook quite like him. I'm surprised he wasted it against the jests.

 

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Gase probably would have kept declining because he's awful.

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Meh...

 

The inverse is a team can commit penalties to stop the clock. Gase could have just accepted as well. It wasn’t some loophole that existed in a vacuum or is an oddity like that wonky formation vs. the Ravens. 
 

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. 

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This is what Belichek said about it:

 

“No, it was just the way the rules are set up. We were able to run quite a bit of time off the clock without really having to do anything. That’s probably a loophole that will be closed and probably should be closed but right now it’s open,” Belichick said.

The Patriots were so far ahead in the fourth quarter that it really didn’t matter, but Belichick is right that this loophole should be closed. Teams shouldn’t be able to take more than 40 seconds off the clock between plays. Perhaps this is a rule Belichick wants to see changed, and he was waiting until just the right time to demonstrate that it needs to change."

 

It is hard to say he "exploited" anything with a 33-0 fourth quarter lead.  Its much more logical to assume he used the opportunity to bring attention to it.  Exploiting it would have been running out the clock in the final two minutes of a playoff game with a 1 point lead. 

 

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3 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

This is what Belichek said about it:

 

“No, it was just the way the rules are set up. We were able to run quite a bit of time off the clock without really having to do anything. That’s probably a loophole that will be closed and probably should be closed but right now it’s open,” Belichick said.

The Patriots were so far ahead in the fourth quarter that it really didn’t matter, but Belichick is right that this loophole should be closed. Teams shouldn’t be able to take more than 40 seconds off the clock between plays. Perhaps this is a rule Belichick wants to see changed, and he was waiting until just the right time to demonstrate that it needs to change."

 

It is are to say he "exploited" anything with a 33-0 fourth quarter lead.  Its much more logical to assume he used the opportunity to bring attention to it.  Exploiting it would have been running out the clock in the final two minutes of a playoff game with a 1 point lead. 

 


I also don’t think BB’s thought there was to run out the clock. My guess is Gase declines, and BB was like “wait, what? You need the clock, I need the 5 yards. Let’s try this again Adam” then facepalm laughter ensued. 

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Just now, PlayoffsPlease said:

This is what Belichek said about it:

 

“No, it was just the way the rules are set up. We were able to run quite a bit of time off the clock without really having to do anything. That’s probably a loophole that will be closed and probably should be closed but right now it’s open,” Belichick said.

The Patriots were so far ahead in the fourth quarter that it really didn’t matter, but Belichick is right that this loophole should be closed. Teams shouldn’t be able to take more than 40 seconds off the clock between plays. Perhaps this is a rule Belichick wants to see changed, and he was waiting until just the right time to demonstrate that it needs to change."

 

It is are to say he "exploited" anything with a 33-0 fourth quarter lead.  Its much more logical to assume he used the opportunity to bring attention to it.  Exploiting it would have been running out the clock in the final two minutes of a playoff game with a 1 point lead. 

 

I noticed this too. No one commented on it during the game. The announcers were clueless.

 

Funny side note- I heard a caller comment on this loophole during a One Bills Live broadcast and get laughed off the air by both Murphy and Tasker who were both sure that the clock stopped running after a penalty.

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3 minutes ago, Mango said:


I also don’t think BB’s thought there was to run out the clock. My guess is Gase declines, and BB was like “wait, what? You need the clock, I need the 5 yards. Let’s try this again Adam” then facepalm laughter ensued. 

 

I am not sure what Jets fans did to be made to suffer so much.  Gase is not good at his job, and has a terrible personality to boot. 

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3 minutes ago, vincec said:

I noticed this too. No one commented on it during the game. The announcers were clueless.

 

Funny side note- I heard a caller comment on this loophole during a One Bills Live broadcast and get laughed off the air by both Murphy and Tasker who were both sure that the clock stopped running after a penalty.

I'm shocked, I tell ya! Shocked!

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4 minutes ago, vincec said:

I noticed this too. No one commented on it during the game. The announcers were clueless.

 

Funny side note- I heard a caller comment on this loophole during a One Bills Live broadcast and get laughed off the air by both Murphy and Tasker who were both sure that the clock stopped running after a penalty.


It does, if it is accepted. If it is declined, there is no penalty, so the clock keeps running. 
 

Changing the rule would mean that teams could purposely commit a penalty to stop the clock.  Maybe the solution is to cap declining penalties at 2 in a row on the same down. But even still...
 

This whole thing is a non-issue. 99.9% of the time, accepting the penalty and stopping the clock is the correct decision. If you’re down by one and on defense, if the offense wants to jump Offside or miss the play clock, why wouldn’t you accept the yardage and stop the clock?  If you’re down by one and the defense wants to jump the snap, you either get a free positive play, or you accept the penalty and stop the clock. 
 

This is more Gase being a dumb-dumb. It was stupid and pointless to decline twice. 

8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Anyone want to explain what happened!


NE was punting, and wanted more room, so they took a delay of game to back up 5 yards. Gase declined because he was hoping for the touchback. Then BB basically did it again, and Gase declined again. 
 

Because the penalty was declined, it basically means there was none. So the clock kept wronging. Gase is an idiot. 

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12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Anyone want to explain what happened!

Patriots* were punting from Jets 40 or so and wanted to get a little more room for punter to work with, so they let clock run all way down and took delay of game.  Gase declined penalty to keep them where they were, so the officials re-started the clock and Pats* lined up to punt again.  This time they let it run all the way down and had someone jump off sides at last second. Declined again,  1min 22 sec wasted. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

It worked because the Pats were up 33-0 so the Jets just wanted to get the game over with, in a close game they'd have accepted.


 

Not necessarily- teams decline that penalty all of the time so they do not give the kicker the extra room.

 

If it had been a close game - this would be a huge issue, but it becomes a teaching point because it was a blow-out.

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Just now, Rochesterfan said:


 

Not necessarily- teams decline that penalty all of the time so they do not give the kicker the extra room.

 

If it had been a close game - this would be a huge issue, but it becomes a teaching point because it was a blow-out.

 

That's my point, if the game were close, they'd have accepted the penalty and the clock stops.  Gase may have thanked Bill for running the extra time off last night.

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14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

That's my point, if the game were close, they'd have accepted the penalty and the clock stops.  Gase may have thanked Bill for running the extra time off last night.


 

You are assuming Gase knew that the time would run.  
 

My guess is that Gase had no clue and even if the game was close - He still declines the penalty because the delay of game and the false start are trying to give the punter more space to drop the punt inside the 10. 

 

The fact is most people assume the clock stops with the penalty flag and Gase does not strike me as a coach that understands things.

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This was all an act of mercy by both BB and Gase.

 

The network wasn't going to turn to Heidi on this disaster of a game before the final whistle.

16 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:


 

You are assuming Gase knew that the time would run.  
 

My guess is that Gase had no clue and even if the game was close - He still declines the penalty because the delay of game and the false start are trying to give the punter more space to drop the punt inside the 10. 

 

The fact is most people assume the clock stops with the penalty flag and Gase does not strike me as a coach that understands things.

 

 

Well, he could see the clock was still running and he declined twice so, he probably knew the time would run.

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1 hour ago, Mango said:


I also don’t think BB’s thought there was to run out the clock. My guess is Gase declines, and BB was like “wait, what? You need the clock, I need the 5 yards. Let’s try this again Adam” then facepalm laughter ensued. 

 

Rinse and repeat all over the AFC east for about 20 years now.

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56 minutes ago, Mango said:

...This is more Gase being a dumb-dumb. It was stupid and pointless to decline twice. 


Because the penalty was declined, it basically means there was none. So the clock kept wronging. Gase is an idiot. 

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1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

It worked because the Pats were up 33-0 so the Jets just wanted to get the game over with, in a close game they'd have accepted.

I don't think this is the case. He was trying to keep the Pats* punter from having more room to work with. My guess is that he did not consider the ramifications of time.

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2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Patriots* were punting from Jets 40 or so and wanted to get a little more room for punter to work with, so they let clock run all way down and took delay of game.  Gase declined penalty to keep them where they were, so the officials re-started the clock and Pats* lined up to punt again.  This time they let it run all the way down and had someone jump off sides at last second. Declined again,  1min 22 sec wasted. 

 

 

 

Does it have to be different penalties?

24 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I don't think this is the case. He was trying to keep the Pats* punter from having more room to work with. My guess is that he did not consider the ramifications of time.

 

Maybe gase watched the game and clock and was like... thank you... 

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Soooo, Billy was smirking at the time and admitted it's a loophole that should probably be closed.

 

I can only hope Sean McDermott is the one smirking in December when we do the same thing to them...in NE...with time running out....and the Bills holding on to a lead. 

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2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

It’s actually not a wide open loophole. Officials have discretion to stop the clock if it’s obvious a team is killing time like that. If it continued or happens again I’m sure they will simply not allow the clock to run. 

well  the cats out of the bag now 

 

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2 hours ago, Mango said:

Meh...

 

The inverse is a team can commit penalties to stop the clock. Gase could have just accepted as well. It wasn’t some loophole that existed in a vacuum or is an oddity like that wonky formation vs. the Ravens. 
 

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. 

Belicheck tried this against the Bills in 2011. After Fred caught the ball and was tackled at the 1. Referee didn't throw flag. 

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42 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Cheatin' *****.

 

They weren't cheating but they were definitely playing to the letter of the rule, much like they did when they had that weird formation against the Ravens a few years back. It's what the Patriots have done the last few years to exploit the rules as much as they can do allow things help them. While I don't like it from a sportsmanship standpoint but he/they has the right to keep doing it as per the rules are right now. 

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I had to laugh when I saw Belichick trying not to smile over Gase declining both those penalties. 

 

Got a lotta respect for Belichick but I'm always gonna put an asterisk next to his name based on his pushing the envelope with the rules. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. Guy just always searches for the competitive advantage, even if it means stepping over the line with the rules. 

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How is Belicheck cheating here? 

 

He takes the delay of game like every team does. Gase declines. He then tries to get 5 yards with an Offside. Gase declines. 

 

It is a funny sequence and Gase is an idiot. I wish he'd kept it going. 

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