Phil The Thrill Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) I was checking around to see what cap space the Bills have next year and beyond and I think that things are definitely trending in the right direction. Here’s what’s out there from overthecap.com 2020 Projected Salary Cap $84 Million (4th Highest) 2020 draft picks: 1- Own pick 2- Own pick 3- Own pick 4- Own pick 5- Own pick 5- From Cleveland Browns (Teller trade) 6- Own pick 6- From Browns (Teller trade) 6- From New England Patriots via Baltimore Ravens (Bodine trade) 2019 Free Agents: LB Lorenzo Alexander DT Jordan Phillips DE Shaq Lawson OL Quentin Spain RB Frank Gore CB Kevin Johnson S Dean Marlowe S Kurt Coleman WR Isaiah McKenzie WR Robert Foster LB Julian Sanford RB Seniorise Perry CB Levi Wallace 2020 Free Agents: CB Tre’Davious White* LB Matt Milano OL Dion Dawkins DL Trent Murphy S Jordan Poyer OT Ty Nsheke OG Jon Feliciano FB Patrick DiMarco WR Andre Roberts QB Matt Barkley RB TJ Yeldon Based on these numbers, I would guess that a portion of this years cap space will be spent resigning their own FA’s - I’m thinking they make Matt Milano and Dion Dawkins a top priority. You have to think they find money to resign Tre too. If they want to keep Lawson, they can. They just have to factor in a comp pick if he does walk away. Also I think it shows the team needs to get a lot younger on the offensive and defensive lines. Any other thoughts after seeing this info? Edited October 19, 2019 by Phil The Thrill 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Didn't Alexander announce he's retiring after this year? The 2019 list doesn't have too many you need to sign. Phillips, Wallace, and Lawson would be the two top needs, though not certain Lawson will agree to deal here. 2020 list has at least 5 I'd want to resign Milano, Dawkins, White, Poyer, and Feliciano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Never overpay is what I've come to. It is a young man's sport and injuries happen. Love young kids on their rookie deals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Didn't Alexander announce he's retiring after this year? The 2019 list doesn't have too many you need to sign. Phillips, Wallace, and Lawson would be the two top needs, though not certain Lawson will agree to deal here. 2020 list has at least 5 I'd want to resign Milano, Dawkins, White, Poyer, and Feliciano I do think that Wallace and Foster are exclusive rights FA’s, though I believe Phillips is a true FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Trending...Bills will replace through the draft. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I do think that Wallace and Foster are exclusive rights FA’s, though I believe Phillips is a true FA You're correct. Spotrac.com breaks down UFA, RFA, and ERFA status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 You really get the feeling that what Beane did was sign a lot of "prove it contracts" and while some of these guys will get extensions....draft picks will replace some of these guys..... Bottom line....resign your own best players and continue to draft well 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I thought all op did was poll threads 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I see about a dozen impending FA's I'd like to keep and about half as many I'd like even more from my short list. The rest can easily be replaced. Lorenzo and Gore maybe. Who knows if they will stay, go or retire? They're definitely playing well right now though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Didn't Alexander announce he's retiring after this year? The 2019 list doesn't have too many you need to sign. Phillips, Wallace, and Lawson would be the two top needs, though not certain Lawson will agree to deal here. 2020 list has at least 5 I'd want to resign Milano, Dawkins, White, Poyer, and Feliciano Shaq can very easily be replaced. Even now when he's supposed to be playing better, he can't even beat out Murphy for a starting job. I'd rather see us draft or sign a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Shaq can very easily be replaced. Even now when he's supposed to be playing better, he can't even beat out Murphy for a starting job. I'd rather see us draft or sign a replacement. They also should get a 4th round comp pick for him, which means you could see the Bills package number of picks in rounds 4-6 to move up to the 2nd or 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) I'd like to see Levi locked up for 4 years. Edited October 19, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 DE, WR and OT in free agency completes this team in 2020... Then it’s over to JA.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Foster and Wallace are ERFAs so they will be back for cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Didn't Alexander announce he's retiring after this year? The 2019 list doesn't have too many you need to sign. Phillips, Wallace, and Lawson would be the two top needs, though not certain Lawson will agree to deal here. 2020 list has at least 5 I'd want to resign Milano, Dawkins, White, Poyer, and Feliciano I assume White will get his Fifth year tender. Poyer, Milano and Dawkins would need to get paid, especially Poyer...He has been one of the best safeties in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) A good portion of our money will go to signing/extending our own guys, but there will still be money for a big FA signing and it’s almost a certainty that we use some of those picks to help facilitate moving around the draft. I think theres a lot of obvious guys on that list that we’ll get locked up but Spain and Shaq are interesting. Both are solid players but Ford probably needs to go to his more natural position of G and Feliciano isn’t going anywhere - Shaq is a guy who will probably get overpay offers from other teams. Edited October 19, 2019 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Phillips, Lawson, and Wallace are only guys I really want to keep next year but year after there are several Key cogs we need to make sure we keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was checking around to see what cap space the Bills have next year and beyond and I think that things are definitely trending in the right direction. Here’s what’s out there from overthecap.com 2020 Projected Salary Cap $84 Million (4th Highest) 2020 draft picks: 1- Own pick 2- Own pick 3- Own pick 4- Own pick 5- Own pick 5- From Cleveland Browns (Teller trade) 6- Own pick 6- From Browns (Teller trade) 6- From New England Patriots via Baltimore Ravens (Bodine trade) 2019 Free Agents: LB Lorenzo Alexander DT Jordan Phillips DE Shaq Lawson OL Quentin Spain RB Frank Gore CB Kevin Johnson S Dean Marlowe S Kurt Coleman WR Isaiah McKenzie WR Robert Foster LB Julian Sanford RB Seniorise Perry CB Levi Wallace 2020 Free Agents: CB Tre’Davious White* LB Matt Milano OL Dion Dawkins DL Trent Murphy S Jordan Poyer OT Ty Nsheke OG Jon Feliciano FB Patrick DiMarco WR Andre Roberts QB Matt Barkley RB TJ Yeldon Based on these numbers, I would guess that a portion of this years cap space will be spent resigning their own FA’s - I’m thinking they make Matt Milano and Dion Dawkins a top priority. You have to think they find money to resign Tre too. If they want to keep Lawson, they can. They just have to factor in a comp pick if he does walk away. Also I think it shows the team needs to get a lot younger on the offensive and defensive lines. Any other thoughts after seeing this info? Tre White would be a 5th year option for 2021 that the Bills could pick up since he is a 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I thought all op did was poll threads Yep. I’m guessing he’s got Yolo tied up in his cellar while stealing all his computer insights. PhillyWhitesnuze hasn’t shown a capacity to create quality threads in any of his incarnations. Somethings amiss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Great thread OP! everything in one spot = perfect and worth a sticky IMO. Will copy and paste somewhere. TY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Beanie is a Wizard ?♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: You really get the feeling that what Beane did was sign a lot of "prove it contracts" and while some of these guys will get extensions....draft picks will replace some of these guys..... Bottom line....resign your own best players and continue to draft well ...great point John and a big difference from Whaley (our posting Rico's best buddy-LOL).....never was convinced Whaley was given full GM power versus personnel gopher as in "we need you to go fer this position player" directed by "The F Troop" brass........pretty sure he had an upcoming year with 23 UFA's......McBeane artfully crafted "prove it deals (players with longer term potential) " whereas Whaley was commissioned for "stop gap players" regardless of longer term prognosis....strictly opinion...... Edited October 19, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: Tre White would be a 5th year option for 2021 that the Bills could pick up since he is a 1st round pick. I'm really not into signing Tre' to a big deal - he's very good - in a zone scheme. Some stupid team (as with the Redskins and Josh Norman) will imagine he's a lock-down man-to-man guy and offer him something ridiculous. We don't want to match that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, wppete said: Beanie is a Wizard ?♂️ ....with plenty of cap cash, a list that he can be selective from AND draft capital, McBeane mimics the "Allstate guy"....something about "...in good hands...".................. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...great point John and a big difference from Whaley (our posting Rico's best buddy-LOL).....never was convinced Whaley was given full GM power versus personnel gopher as in "we need you to go fer this position player" directed by "The F Troop" brass........pretty sure he had an upcoming year with 23 UFA's......McBeane artfully crafted "prove it deals (players with longer term potential) " whereas Whaley was commissioned for "stop gap players" regardless of longer term prognosis....strictly opinion...... I feel the same way about Whaley. We’ll likely never know unless Rex does a tell all book at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I'm guessing they let Spain walk and move Feliciano or Ford to LG while looking for an upgrade at RT via FA or draft. WR is their biggest need, IMO. Hoping they bring a good one in via FA AND the draft. ...many of the TBD collegiate experts have said 2020 WR class is the "best in years"......just a hunch that McBeane goes the draft route...... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 11 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Foster and Wallace are ERFAs so they will be back for cheap I wouldn’t be surprised to see Beane try to lock down Wallace with an extension of he keeps his performance up. Keeping that secondary together is probably a top priority. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....with plenty of cap cash, a list that he can be selective from AND draft capital, McBeane mimics the "Allstate guy"....something about "...in good hands...".................. That certainly beats Rex and Mr Mayhem! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Junction said: I feel the same way about Whaley. We’ll likely never know unless Rex does a tell all book at some point. ....a Wrecks book?.....I'd prefer this...... 3 minutes ago, Augie said: That certainly beats Rex and Mr Mayhem! ...hell even Flo was better.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 While Levi Wallace is technically a Free Agent, he is an exclusive right free agent meaning he can't negotiate with another team, so don't worry about him to get snapped up by another team. Mckenzie is a Restricted Free Agent so if they Bills tender him, another team would have to pony up a 5th rounder for him(unlikely). I think you'll see Ford get bumped inside next year and Spain has been inconsistent so he will probably go. Jordan Phillips i'd like back but he's going to be looking for his "big" contract next year. Lawson will probably want to be a starter and get a pay bump in a different situation. I could see Alexander coming back if he believes the Bills are legit super bowl contenders. The only guys I can see the Bills wanting to bring back that could leave is Dean Marlowe. He is also a restricted free agent but he was undrafted so the Bills wouldn't get compensation for him. I could see the Bills tendering him but getting a bigger deal that the Bills dont necessarily want to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....a Wrecks book?.....I'd prefer this...... ...hell even Flo was better.......... Guaranteed to be narcissistic drivel, but the sports writer recap should be comprehendible. Of course there’s always the option of a book on tape, a joint or drinking game, and plenty of laughs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, ganesh said: I assume White will get his Fifth year tender. Poyer, Milano and Dawkins would need to get paid, especially Poyer...He has been one of the best safeties in the NFL. I have a strong feeling we will let poyer walk and J.Johnson will step in his spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I hope they do both. Add a good one in FA and the draft.... unless Duke really emerges. ...who would be your FA choice(s)?....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: While Levi Wallace is technically a Free Agent, he is an exclusive right free agent meaning he can't negotiate with another team, so don't worry about him to get snapped up by another team. Mckenzie is a Restricted Free Agent so if they Bills tender him, another team would have to pony up a 5th rounder for him(unlikely). I think you'll see Ford get bumped inside next year and Spain has been inconsistent so he will probably go. Jordan Phillips i'd like back but he's going to be looking for his "big" contract next year. Lawson will probably want to be a starter and get a pay bump in a different situation. I could see Alexander coming back if he believes the Bills are legit super bowl contenders. The only guys I can see the Bills wanting to bring back that could leave is Dean Marlowe. He is also a restricted free agent but he was undrafted so the Bills wouldn't get compensation for him. I could see the Bills tendering him but getting a bigger deal that the Bills dont necessarily want to pay. I still think he might negotiate an actual contract with Wallace. Primarily to spread the cost and keep the yearly cheap, The benefit for Wallace would be guaranteed money now and more salary in the first 1-2 years than he would have gotten. Phillips is going to be interesting. Can’t say the guy will take a home town discount, but all things being equal I think he resigns here. Plus, Beane might not want to shake up the DT rotation. There’s always the chance some team offers stupid money though, especially if he has another monster game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...who would be your FA choice(s)?....... I’d take a good hard look at Geronimo Allison if the Packers let him go. Dude can play and finds openings when Rodgers scrambles. That’s got some value considering Allen’s talents. They’ll probably resign him, but they’re close to the cap and are about to find out what their younger WRs have to offer. In general, I’m not too enthralled with this years WR FA class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: I’m unsure off who is restricted and who is not... 2019 Free Agents: LB Lorenzo Alexander—he is resigned here if he doesn’t retire at a low cost DT Jordan Phillips— try to keep him OL Quentin Spain RB Frank Gore — I see him getting resigned for a year or two CB Kevin Johnson S Dean Marlowe S Kurt Coleman WR Isaiah McKenzie WR Robert Fostery. — I see them keeping him at a low cost LB Julian Sanford RB Seniorise Perry CB Levi Wallace — sign him to a 4 yr deal The others I see them resigning some. Others can be replaced by draft or other practice squad player development Quote 2020 Free Agents: CB Tre’Davious White* — he is signed LB Matt Milano — he is signed OL Dion Dawkins- he is signed DL Trent Murphy he can be signed S Jordan Poyer — he can be signed OT Ty Nsheke OG Jon Feliciano FB Patrick DiMarco WR Andre Roberts QB Matt Barkley— he can be resigned RB TJ Yeldon others it depends on draft and free agent signings in 2030 Comments in comment above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Didn't we recently obtain another 5th from someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Didn't we recently obtain another 5th from someone? Yes from the Raiders for Zay, but it's in the 2021 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 13 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I'd like to see Levi locked up for 4 years. Why? What did he do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Must signings: LB Lorenzo Alexander - 1 year cap friendly deal DT Jordan Phillips OL Quentin Spain CB Levi Wallace 2020 Free Agents: CB Tre’Davious White* - 5th year option but try to get a deal done - will save on cap space and not risk him getting to free agency LB Matt Milano OL Dion Dawkins - try to extend ahead of time S Jordan Poyer - try to extend ahead of time OG Jon Feliciano Would like to resign: DE Shaq Lawson RB Frank Gore CB Kevin Johnson WR Isaiah McKenzie 2020 Free Agents: DL Trent Murphy S Jordan Poyer OT Ty Nsheke OG Jon Feliciano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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