Jalen Ramsey Traded to Rams

[Rochesterfan]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

9 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Didn’t really cost them THAT much. 
 

a late second and a corner they couldn’t rely on
 

for a 6, a year of Sammy on a rookie deal and a 3rd round comp pick? 

 

Doubt anyone lost sleep over it. 

 

 

The biggest issue I see @NoSaint is with the Sammy trade they expected to be able to resign him, but he waited and got a better deal elsewhere.  That caused the Rams to miss out on some FA WR - then then had to panic and trade an additional 1st for Cooks and then overpay for him.

 

They did not seem to learn because now they have traded for Ramsey, but his contract is still up after this year.  This is like doubling down on Watkins because of what they gave up.  The Rams have to be willing to pony up top CB money to keep him (and hope he does not make it to the FA market) and although he makes them much better the teams that they are behind in that division both are top 10 in rushing offense and have beat the Rams already.

 

The signing of Cooks and the contracts to Gurley, Donald, and Goff - lead to additional Cap decisions to let some quality on the Oline go this year. If they sign Ramsey to a huge, long term deal - which they can do if they spread it out right - they are going to lose even more quality and depth next year.  If they make him the highest paid at 17 - 20 million per and make it work out - they will lose guys like Fowler, Whitworth, Brockers, Talib, Etc.  
 

It really gives them a tight window with their talent to this year.  They will then have to let some or most of their FAs go and replace them with lower end players and the overall team depth gets worse.  I think you are already seeing the effect this year with their O-line being significantly worse and Goff and the running game looking worse.  
 

They also lack the resources to address the issue and draft guys to fill those roles.

 

I don’t hate the move if they can win the SB this year, but I think it begins to shut their window for being an elite team to this year and then they will have a bunch of superstars with little depth and they begin to fade to middle of the road.

[eball]

10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I'm glad he's out of the conference

 

Yeah, this was my initial reaction as well.  Would have hated to see an AFC rival land him.

 

Jacksonville got great value in the trade but it's still a black eye for them...a star player quit on the team and wanted out.

[dollars 2 donuts]

10 hours ago, Lafromboise said:

Rams imploding..

 

 

10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

No DB is worth that.

 

 

Indeed...and I am not thrilled that J’ville gets 2 first rounders out of no where.

[WideRightRevenge]

6 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

This is a big deal for the Bills.  The Rams will be forced to make him the highest paid cornerback.   Tre will expect similar. 

 

The good news is at least Tre has class vs. this bum ... can't believe what the Rams gave up to acquire this headache. 

 

[Nuncha]

Put all their eggs in the Ramsey basket....wow that's gonna hurt.  Speaking of hurt, did his back magically heal now that he's been traded??

[Sundancer]

6 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

This is a big deal for the Bills.  The Rams will be forced to make him the highest paid cornerback.   Tre will expect similar. 

 

Beane is smart about the cap. They will make a good deal or trade him. I don't think the Bills are any longer a team that invests beyond a certain point in a player unless he is a franchise player, and I REALLY LIKE Tre but I don't see any CB being a franchise player. 

 

 

[HiddenInLight]

The rams needed the help on d, but I think 2 firsts + is too much for a cornerback.

[PetermansRedemption]

There aren’t many (if any) players in the league I would be happy to give up 2 1sts for AND have to pay a huge chunk of cap for. Jalen Ramsey most certainly is not one of them. 

[HOUSE]

Wow, The Rams sure fleased the Jags on that one...

 

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 two first-round picks in 2020 and 2021, and a fourth-round 

 

Ho Li Chit!!! 

 

they better hope he's worth it 

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 two first-round picks in 2020 and 2021, and a fourth-round 

 

Ho Li Chit!!! 

 

they better hope he's worth it 

 

 

“It’s a DB for two first round picks, how in the world is it NOT worth it?!”, said a moron.

[HOUSE]

The Rams obviously got into a bidding war, then foolishly OVERPAID...

I would choke the life out of Brandon Beane  if he did this...

 

One of the worst traded in history, IMO

 

 

 

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Edited October 16, 2019 by HOUSE

[Dablitzkrieg]

6 hours ago, jabu said:

 

LOL, why do you think there is anything wrong with ones knees at 60? Mine at 63 are as good as at 23. No one in their 40's, 50's, 60's etc is as athletic as in their 20's,  but it's not like arthritis starts setting in when you hit 60. In fact, I climbed a 14er in CO a couple years ago, no problem. 60 sounds old until you get there. If one halfway takes care of oneself, you'll be surprised how it isn't. Perhaps you meant a 90 y/o.   ?

Sorry, I meant no disrespect ?

[Saint Doug]

11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Don’t fret. McVay is so innovative, he’ll trade himself for 5 consecutive first rounders soon. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

That depends. Is he still ***** crazy?

 

Hope so. 

[HiddenInLight]

27 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

The Rams obviously got into a bidding war, then foolishly OVERPAID...

I would choke the life out of Brandon Beane  if he did this...

 

One of the worst traded in history, IMO

 

 

 

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It could be an overreaction to the sheer number of points they gave up a few weeks ago to Tampa bay.

[whatdrought]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

If they have a corner like Ramsey, they can play everything else differently.  Truth

 

Yep. I bet their QB can throw for more than 78 yards now that they have a good CB. 

 

The principle of what you say is definitely true, and he will improve a lot on that team. But i just don’t think they’re one CB away from being a legit contender this year.

[njbuff]

Why would the Rams make a trade this drastic with their arrow pointing down right now?

 

The answer to your problems isn't bringing in a CB and giving up TWO first round picks in the process.

 

I don't understand this thinking at all.

 

This is the kind of move that gets a team a new front office and coaching staff in two years.

 

Weird move on their part and only time will tell if it actually does work out.

[CLTbills]

Saw this last night and all I could think was that they're in "win now" mode. This is the definition of "mortgaging the future"

[Rocket94]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

The Rams obviously got into a bidding war, then foolishly OVERPAID...

I would choke the life out of Brandon Beane  if he did this...

 

One of the worst traded in history, IMO

 

 

 

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Teams are starting to play real life fantasy league with players. The Rams must be confident they are in position for another run. 

Edited October 16, 2019 by Rocket94

[Coach Tuesday]

The thing is - you build your team to beat your  divisional and conference opponents.  The Rams’ divisional opponents primarily are rushing teams (SF and Seattle) and the NFC in general isn’t a huge passing conference except for the Rams and maybe New Orleans.  Love the player and the value makes sense but I question the strategy. 
 

Again: does Marrone survive to 2020?

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

The Rams obviously got into a bidding war, then foolishly OVERPAID...

I would choke the life out of Brandon Beane  if he did this...

 

One of the worst traded in history, IMO

 

 

 

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Kelvin Benjamin for 2 picks.

[jletha]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Kelvin Benjamin for 2 picks.

Not even close to the same thing. Youre exposing yourself by comparing this trade to the Benjamin trade.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

Yep. I bet their QB can throw for more than 78 yards now that they have a good CB. 

 

The principle of what you say is definitely true, and he will improve a lot on that team. But i just don’t think they’re one CB away from being a legit contender this year.

Again, Goff threw for 900 yards the previous 2 games and they went to the SB last year.  

 

They also started 3-0.  It’s amazing the knee jerk reaction fans have.  They lose a few games and now they are trash. Their talent is up there with any team in the league still. 

Just now, jletha said:

Not even close to the same thing. Youre exposing yourself by comparing this trade to the Benjamin trade.

At least they got a legit good player.  

[BringBackOrton]

13 hours ago, Warcodered said:

That does not seem sustainable.

Really it is. Those firsts take up a decent amount of cap and it’s not like they didn’t get talented players for them.

[Rocket94]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

The Rams obviously got into a bidding war, then foolishly OVERPAID...

I would choke the life out of Brandon Beane  if he did this...

 

One of the worst traded in history, IMO

 

 

 

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It looks like the Rams were in a bidding war by themselves...it is terrible. Talking about instant gratification.

[whatdrought]

30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Again, Goff threw for 900 yards the previous 2 games and they went to the SB last year.  

 

They also started 3-0.  It’s amazing the knee jerk reaction fans have.  They lose a few games and now they are trash. Their talent is up there with any team in the league still. 

At least they got a legit good player.  

 

They just dropped two divisional games, including getting blown out at home. There's no argument that they're a top 2 team in their own division, and they've been a shell of themselves since Gurley got hurt and Goff has been exposed as a decent player dependent on everything else going right for him. They're not trash, they do have a good talent level, but from a team building perspective, their lack of infusion of young blue chip players is hurting them as the team as a whole trends in a bad direction. 

Edited October 16, 2019 by whatdrought

[inthebuff]

29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Kelvin Benjamin for 2 picks.

Quote

 

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- In a deal that was completed minutes before the NFL's trade deadline Tuesday, the Carolina Panthers dealt top wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin to the Buffalo Bills for a third-round pick and a seventh-round pick in the 2018 draft.

The third-rounder is the Bills' original selection, not the one the franchise acquired from the Philadelphia Eagles in a separate deal. The seventh-rounder was acquired in a July trade with the Los Angeles Chargers for quarterback Cardale Jones.

 

 

A little bit different than 2 first rounders and a fourth.

 

[thenorthremembers]

Not sure the Rams were fleeced.   Goff withstanding, of the 5 1st round picks they gave up they have 2 Pro Bowl/All Pro Level players.    They used the draft picks, just not on draft night. 

 

Depends on how you want to build your team.  But I think using 5 1st rounders and getting a starting QB, a #1 wide out, and a All Pro Cornerback in return is kind of a high rate of success.

 

If you look at the Bills last five 1st rounders would you prefer what the Bills have or the Rams:

 

Bills: Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, Tre White, and Shaq Lawson

Rams: Jalen Ramsey, Brandin Cooks, and Jared Goff

 

I'd still take the Bills but it's not an easy choice.

[inthebuff]

Trading 2 first rounders for any player is a crap shoot.  Maybe Les Snead would rather have a proven player than an unproven one.  Who knows.  

 

I'm in agreement with many who have said that this is not the move that will take them back to the Superbowl.  The first problem that they have needed to solve is the Todd Gurley problem.  Despite the fact that they've cut back on his workload, he's still not the dominant player that he was just a year ago.  By the time they got to the Superbowl they knew he was not going to be the offensive force, he was earlier in the year.  

 

They would have been more wise to use half of this draft capital (one first rounder) on the Chargers' Melvin Gordon when he was available earlier in the year.   And don't get me wrong...I don't think that that would have been a good deal.  I just don't agree that mortgaging the future for a CB was a good move and a better move would have been to improve the areas that cause issue.

 

And before we bury McVay as a coach, he's been uber successful.  He took the team that Jeff Fisher had and turned them into a juggernaut, going 11-5 and 13-3.  They made the Superbowl in his second year.

 

Fisher's records with the Rams were:

2012 7-8-1

2013 7-9

2014 6-10

2015 7-9

2016 4-9 (fired in mid-season) Rams went 4-12

McVay has a career record of 27-11

 

Contrast that with the Bills record before McDermott

2012 6-10 Chan Gailey

2013 6-10 Doug Marrone

2014 9-7 Marrone

2015 8-8 Rex Ryan

2016 7-9 Ryan/Anthony Lynn

McDermott has a career record of 19-18.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

Marrone finally got those two first picks back for Sammy Watkins

[mannc]

55 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Again, Goff threw for 900 yards the previous 2 games and they went to the SB last year.  

 

They also started 3-0.  It’s amazing the knee jerk reaction fans have.  They lose a few games and now they are trash. Their talent is up there with any team in the league still. 

At least they got a legit good player.  

As I’ve said, I wouldn’t have made that trade, but the Rams are putting all their chips in this year.  Ramsey is 24-years old, has insane athletic ability, and is a legit shutdown corner.  He’s a defensive cornerstone for years to come, at a premium position.  
 

And the notion that Goff now stinks is absurd.  Did anyone watch the way he played against Seattle on the road 10 days ago?  He too is 24 years old, and he’s already taken the Rams to the Super Bowl.  Who’s to say that Ramsey won’t put them over the top this year, and if he does, who can deny that it was worth it?

[PetermansRedemption]

18 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Not sure the Rams were fleeced.   Goff withstanding, of the 5 1st round picks they gave up they have 2 Pro Bowl/All Pro Level players.    They used the draft picks, just not on draft night. 

 

Depends on how you want to build your team.  But I think using 5 1st rounders and getting a starting QB, a #1 wide out, and a All Pro Cornerback in return is kind of a high rate of success.

 

If you look at the Bills last five 1st rounders would you prefer what the Bills have or the Rams:

 

Bills: Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, Tre White, and Shaq Lawson

Rams: Jalen Ramsey, Brandin Cooks, and Jared Goff

 

I'd still take the Bills but it's not an easy choice.

The big difference is the cap space. I’m too lazy to look it up, but nearly certain all 5 of those Bills players combined salary equals less than the salary of Goff alone. Probably less cap than what Ramsey will command as well. That’s the big thing. Sure using 5 1st rounders for a starting QB, top CB and top WR is good value in a vacuum. But you also have to factor in the opportunity cost of losing about 65 million in cap to Goff, Cooks and Ramsey. 

Edited October 16, 2019 by Bills2ref

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

The big difference is the cap space. I’m too lazy to look it up, but nearly certainly all 5 of those Bills players there combined equals less than the salary of Goff alone. Probably less cap than what Ramsey will command as well. That’s the big thing. Sure using 5 1st rounders for a starting QB, top CB and top WR is good value in a vacuum. But you also have to factor in the opportunity cost of losing about 65 million in cap to Goff, Cooks and Ramsey. 

It’s a valid point, and I’m sure it’s something the Rams thought about before they pulled the trigger.  I’m assuming they have a plan....

Edited October 16, 2019 by mannc

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

The big difference is the cap space. I’m too lazy to look it up, but nearly certainly all 5 of those Bills players there combined equals less than the salary of Goff alone. Probably less cap than what Ramsey will command as well. That’s the big thing. Sure using 5 1st rounders for a starting QB, top CB and top WR is good value in a vacuum. But you also have to factor in the opportunity cost of losing about 65 million in cap to Goff, Cooks and Ramsey. 

Goff’s cap hit this year is $10M

[whatdrought]

22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

 

Bills: Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, Tre White, and Shaq Lawson

Rams: Jalen Ramsey, Brandin Cooks, and Jared Goff

 

I'd still take the Bills but it's not an easy choice.

 

You're asking if we want 4 blue chip players (or players who are looking to turn into blue chipers) on cheap deals and a rotational piece vs. 3 blue chip players making giant contracts? 

 

It's not a question of if they're getting value, it's a question of the sustainability of buying expensive players while getting rid of the #1 way of adding cheap players. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

It’s a valid point, and I’m sure it’s something the Rams thought about before they pulled the trigger.  I’m assuming they have a plan....

 

I think their plan may be "Oh *****!  We're losing!  We gotta turn this around QUICK!"

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Goff’s cap hit this year is $10M

 

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

And next year it's $36m 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think their plan may be "Oh *****!  We're losing!  We gotta turn this around QUICK!"

 

An overreaction to the fact that they did the "win now" method last year and couldn't get the job done when it came time and now they're committed to this small window and can't let it go. 

Edited October 16, 2019 by whatdrought

[C.Biscuit97]

25 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Not sure the Rams were fleeced.   Goff withstanding, of the 5 1st round picks they gave up they have 2 Pro Bowl/All Pro Level players.    They used the draft picks, just not on draft night. 

 

Depends on how you want to build your team.  But I think using 5 1st rounders and getting a starting QB, a #1 wide out, and a All Pro Cornerback in return is kind of a high rate of success.

 

If you look at the Bills last five 1st rounders would you prefer what the Bills have or the Rams:

 

Bills: Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, Tre White, and Shaq Lawson

Rams: Jalen Ramsey, Brandin Cooks, and Jared Goff

 

I'd still take the Bills but it's not an easy choice.

Good way to look at it. Basically, it still really comes down to the qbs.  At his best, IMO, Goff has top 10 ability.  Obviously, he has some flaws. It’s still way to early to say one way or the other on Allen.  

 

I will say that as someone who has doubts about Allen, I would be absolutely thrilled beyond belief if he had Goff’s last 2 seasons. We all would. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Yep. I bet their QB can throw for more than 78 yards now that they have a good CB. 

 

The principle of what you say is definitely true, and he will improve a lot on that team. But i just don’t think they’re one CB away from being a legit contender this year.

The rams are super bowl or bust.  The only thing that matters to them over the next 1-2 years is bringing home a title.   They are closer to that with Ramsey as opposed to not having Ramsey.

 

replacing peters with Ramsey is a HUGE upgrade.