At 4-1, what are your record and playoff expectations? [edited title]

[ny33]

At 4-1, the Bills have generally performed as anyone who closely follows the team should have expected as of the conclusion of preseason. Allen is going to lose us more games than he wins, but he has the ability and has shown flashes of the consistency needed to be .500 or better vs. real contenders, and it’s critical for the team to put away inferior opposition such as NYJ/CIN. Here's how I envision the season if we stay relatively healthy and Josh can generally execute as he did vs. Tennessee (take what you get vs. the defense, get the ball out quickly, and make just 1-2 boneheaded plays a game).

 

Elite, tireless defense that needs the offense to keep them off the field as the season takes its toll 

 The defense, returning 10 starters (Oliver replacing Williams), and retaining the starter-quality depth in a scheme that emphasizes defensive line rotation  and multiple quality nickel/slot cornerbacks (T. Johnson/S. Neal), is playing at a truly elite level with few material weaknesses. While I am somewhat concerned that the rare level of discipline, focus, and execution can be retained if the D continues to be forced to play 3+ series in a few minutes as the offense stalls out or turns over the ball- and believe that the spate of injuries in the Titans game has strong correlation to the defensive uptime- we have far-above-average depth that enables an overworked defense to stay fresh. 

2018 offense and how it has shaped Allen’s development

 

Last year's offense was, perhaps, one of the worst in NFL history, with our Wyoming rookie QB playing behind a line barely qualified to make NFL rosters (barring Dawkins), with McCoy his only weapon (and McCoy clearly rendered helpless behind a bottom-5 line); the pathetic effort/drops of Kelvin Benjamin, paired with a rookie WR in Zay Jones whose use to NFL teams is as a slot/underneath option in space/from the backfield rather than the downfield role he was expected to play, did lasting damage to Allen's psyche and has driven his "heroball" mentality. Combined with the inexcusable lack of a veteran backup, he was set up to fail, though his physical gifts and work ethic/drive shone in spurts last year. I consider the emergence of a motivated Foster as crucial to Allen's development, helping drive his confidence in the ability to throw downfield (with outstanding performance from Foster, especially for a rookie, in catching and adjusting to deep throws from an errant and green rookie).

2019’s NFL-caliber offense with disciplined/talented veterans and rookies ahead of the curve

 

Thankfully, Beane and co. more than made up for their 2018 offensive plan with the addition of a veteran deep threat in Brown, safety net in Beasley, as well as the signings of above-average linemen and the addition of promising TEs, a veteran back to mentor the dynamic Singletary, and the impressive recognition that they needed a player in the mold of Williams on the outside who can adjust to off-target balls (Jones had no shot at succeeding in his role despite generally improved play).

Just two returning starters (2^nd/3^rd year+ Jones) should mean meaningful strides for a talented offense over the course of the season

 

With just Allen and Dawkins returning as starters, and quality role players such as McKenzie (vastly improved and in a role that suits his skill set), plus the potential bonus of a fully-healthy Foster in a few weeks, the offense should continue to build on the Titans game, Allen's best so far, and the only one this season that I felt we were in control over. The team has committed 42 penalties so far- 8^th worst in the league- but this is skewed by a league-leading 12 false starts from an offensive line that needs time to continue to gel, and has generally played well barring the weakness to right side speed rushes/blitzes (equally, or primarily, due to Allen’s inconsistent progressions and hesitation to make quick decisions/adjust his release time to pressure). Compared to the Ryan years and most NFL teams, these Bills seem disciplined and should see a marked decline in penalties as the remade offense plays more than six games together.

Blowout wins mid-season vs. the inept (Mia./Wash.), exploiting the talented but chaotic Browns, and a win vs. the Eagles or Cowboys key for confidence

 

The Bengals and Jets games could have gone either way, but Allen's recovery from the alarming regression in the first half vs. the Pats, against a very good defense, should mean comfortable margins of victory over historically bad teams (Mia. 2x and Washington), a favorable matchup vs. a rattled Mayfield and his unprepared rookie head coach on the road, a toss-up game vs. an inconsistent, but talented, Eagles team, and a top-heavy Broncos team with some major weaknesses despite some elite talent (though Chubb is out for the year).  

 

Near-lock for playoffs going into the last third

 

I fully expect the team to be, at a minimum, 9-2 going into the Cowboys game, which should lock a playoff spot in a weak AFC. If Allen can play like he did vs. Tennessee consistently- which is to say 1-2 unacceptable plays vs. the 4-5, and keep up the frequency of drives into the opponent’s half, this team is good enough that I would be disappointed with even 9 wins, and expect to see an 11-12 win wild card team. 13 wins and the division are a legitimate possibility (expecting a loss @NE and @DAL + either the Eagles, Browns, or Ravens) if the Pats slip up a bit vs. good teams (their o-line is a weak point and expect them to lose 2-4 games @Phi, vs. Dal, @Hou, and vs. KC, with Week 16 @NE potentially having tiebreaker implications for the division.

Potential playoff matchups

 

I’m hoping to get a chance for revenge vs. a Ravens team that isn’t very talented defensively and saw Jackson exposed vs. NFL caliber teams (though, like Allen, he has made clear strides in fixing his weaknesses and is playing well enough to win a playoff game or two). I don’t think we have a favorable matchup at Houston against Watson and the deep threat of Fuller + Hopkins’ Hall of Fame talent, but it’s certainly a winnable game if this team can play in a relative shootout and contain Watt/Mercilus.

The Titans, Jags, and Colts are similarly well-coached (in that order, with Reich significantly more impressive) and mentally/physically tough (esp. the Colts), but also have inexperienced QBs (though Brissett is a seasoned vet). I would give the Bills the slight edge in what would likely be similar slugfests to the Titans game and expect them to come down to the winner of the turnover battle, even if by one, in a struggle for field position and points.

If we can win the wild card round on the road, anything is possible this year

 

Beating KC or NE would be very difficult in a divisional round road game. But the Colts showed that the Chiefs can be contained against a disciplined team with a punishing rushing attack and 2 4^th down conversions (one of the major points for McDermott/Buffalo to improve on that will mean the difference in high-stakes games).

But a playoff win under Buffalo’s belt, combined with a roster that is good enough to contain Brady and beat the Pats if Bad Josh mostly stays home- almost every other NFL starter, except the equally volatile Fitzmagic, likely would have won the Pats game with every other unit playing well-makes both matchups legitimately winnable.

This is a far cry from the 2017 playoff team, which was one of the worst wild card teams in NFL history and got some lucky turnover breaks + a solid defense and a QB who would never be able to beat a contender, but was one of the few guys who could deliver a gameplan good enough to win most of the Bills’ games against worse teams and sneak in at 9-7. Tyrod gets an incredibly unfair rep.; it’s not his fault that Buffalo did not cut ties with Manuel sooner and draft a QB in 2017, Mahomes or otherwise; happy to see him comfortable as a backup to Rivers on Anthony Lynn’s well-run and talented squad. Rivers, more so than most elite/borderline elite QBs, needs an average offensive line to succeed, and I don’t think the Chargers will make the playoffs as a result. Hope the o-line stays healthy, and I think people here have been way too critical of the pass blocking; other than QB, it's the unit that has the greatest impact on a generally-talented team.

 

 

Remaining game predictions:

 

W. vs. Mia (5-1)

 

L. vs. Phi (5-2)

 

W. vs. Wash. (6-2)

 

W. @ Cle. (7-2)

 

W @ Mia (8-2)

 

W vs. Den. (9-2)

 

L @ Dal. (9-3)

 

W vs Bal. (10-3)

 

W @ Pitt. (11-3)

 

L @ NE (11-4)

 

W vs. NYJ (12-4)

 

12-4 may seem optimistic, but this team should be disappointed with 9 wins or even 10 in this year's AFC and with the overall talent on the roster.

 

Playoffs:

 

WCR: W@ Bal., Ind., Jax, or Ten.; L @ Hou.

 

DIVR: L@ KC or NE

 

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by ny33

[Putin]

I’m not saying will go 13-3 but I think we can beat Philly at home 

[HOUSE]

You have us losing to the Eagles IN BUFFALO?

That team lost to the Atlanta Falcons

 

hummmmm

 

 

 

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Edited October 13, 2019 by HOUSE

[Magox]

Ravens and Broncos games are at home.

 

Your take that Allen will lose more games than win I dont agree with that all.  He has proven that when it comes down to it and the rubber hits the road, he wins.  Unlike Tyrod.  And unlike Tyrod he is able to move the ball and help keep the defense fresh.

 

With that said, If things sort of Peter out the Bills could go as low as 9-7 but I dont forsee that happening.  If the offense can tighten up some of its inefficiencies and the defense continues to play at an elite level then they could go 13-3.    

 

I believe they will finish at 11-5.

[ny33]

15 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

You have us losing to the Eagles IN BUFFALO?

That team lost to the Atlanta Falcons

 

hummmmm

 

 

 

..

We should win the game, but just expect Allen to put us in a position to lose a game we should win at least one or two more times this season (flip‘em like the Bengals and Jets games, but vs. a better team). Would happily see some more growing pains early on if he is consistent vs. the AFC teams down the stretch. 

13 minutes ago, Magox said:

Ravens and Broncos games are at home.

 

Your take that Allen will lose more games than win I dont agree with that all.  He has proven that when it comes down to it and the rubber hits the road, he wins.  Unlike Tyrod.  And unlike Tyrod he is able to move the ball and help keep the defense fresh.

 

With that said, If things sort of Peter out the Bills could go as low as 9-7 but I dont forsee that happening.  If the offense can tighten up some of its inefficiencies and the defense continues to play at an elite level then they could go 13-3.    

 

I believe they will finish at 11-5.

Allen is a winner. I’m just saying that games like Cin/NYJ/Pats were hurt more by his mistakes than we gained from his clutch drives, and in his second season we will see a few more close ones that should probably be blowouts or comfortable wins if Josh makes too many inexcusable mistakes. I’m thrilled with his development, but expect to see one or two that we should win go the other way thanks to a turnover or two. Agree that 9-13 wins is the range for a healthy team. 

Edited October 13, 2019 by ny33

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

While we’re on the topic, it’s never too early to look at PlayoffStatus.com.  

[Baba Booey]

We will go 12/4 this year and have the third best record in the AFC. They will win a wild card game in the playoffs and get beat by KC in the divisional round. We will praise the coaching staff for how quickly they turned this around and McDermott will win coach of the year! 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

The first 5 games showed me that they can beat anyone with that defense. 

 

It also showed me they can lose to anyone who is halfway decent. The 0-5 bengals were leading in the second half. Then there’s the first half against the Jets. So I can see them losing to a team they’re “supposed to beat” 

 

I’m only confident in the two dolphins games and the redskins game. That’s already 7 wins though. So I’ll be disappointed if they don’t go 10-6 at least. That only requires them to go 3-5 against PHI, NE, PIT, CLE, BAL, DAL, NYJ, DEN

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Lol even the negatives are struggling to be positive.

 

I'm sticking with my 10-6, but wouldn't be surprised to see better.

[H2o]

18-1 baby!!!

 

Go Bills!!! 

 

~ The Senator

[RiotAct]

12-4; 5th seed (despite third-best record in the conference)

[dollars 2 donuts]

Look, I am going to go full throttle positive...12-4 and 13-3 are real, even as the team is situated and has played.

 

beating Philly at home will be big.  If that happens I do think this team can beat The Browns on the road, Pitt on the road, and Baltimore at home.  13-3 with losses to Dallas (even though they’ve been stumbling) and NE.

[BillsFanSD]

10-6 is the floor for this team, and I would be somewhat disappointed if we win only 10 games.  12-4 is a realistic aspiration.

 

As far as playoffs go, the best we can expect to do is the 5 seed, and I fully expect a wild card spot.  This may be the first year in eons when our Week 17 game is irrelevant not because we're out of playoff contention, but because we're locked into a wild card spot with no possibility of improvement.

[fergie's ire]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

You have us losing to the Eagles IN BUFFALO?

That team lost to the Atlanta Falcons

 

hummmmm

 

 

 

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That team also beat Green Bay in Green Bay.

[CaptnCoke11]

I think we’ll beat Philly and lose 1 or 2 games against Baltimore/Cleveland/Pittsburgh.  So i have them 11-5 at worst 12-4 best 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Lol even the negatives are struggling to be positive.

 

I'm sticking with my 10-6, but wouldn't be surprised to see better.

Really think an improving 4-1 team is going to stumble to 6-5 the rest of the way?

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, ny33 said:

2018 offense and how it has shaped Allen’s development

 

Last year's offense was, perhaps, one of the worst in NFL history, with our Wyoming rookie QB playing behind a line barely qualified to make NFL rosters (barring Dawkins), with McCoy his only weapon (and McCoy clearly rendered helpless behind a bottom-5 line); the pathetic effort/drops of Kelvin Benjamin, paired with a rookie WR in Zay Jones whose use to NFL teams is as a slot/underneath option in space/from the backfield rather than the downfield role he was expected to play, did lasting damage to Allen's psyche and has driven his "heroball" mentality. Combined with the inexcusable lack of a veteran backup, he was set up to fail, though his physical gifts and work ethic/drive shone in spurts last year. I consider the emergence of a motivated Foster as crucial to Allen's development, helping drive his confidence in the ability to throw downfield (with outstanding performance from Foster, especially for a rookie, in catching and adjusting to deep throws from an errant and green rookie).

2019’s NFL-caliber offense with disciplined/talented veterans and rookies ahead of the curve

 

 

 

I think this point is underappreciated by some Bill's fans.  You can make a strong argument that last year Allen was put into a position every bit as bad as Rosen was.

 

Everything from not taking a lot of 1st team snaps during training camp & preseason; a terrible O-line; the worst reeving core (WR's & TE's) in the NFL and a weak stable of RB's.

 

That Allen has made the progress he has is a main reason to be optimistic. 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

TLDR.

 

My prediction is the same as it was last week, last month and last June.  
 

Maybe a variation of +/- 1 game 

 

12-4 to 14-2. 
I can’t go that much higher. 
 

Or did you expect lower?  
 

Shirley you jest 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

28 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Really think an improving 4-1 team is going to stumble to 6-5 the rest of the way?

 

No, I don't.

 

 

[MJS]

Excited to see how the games turn out. I have us with a loss to Baltimore but the rest of my picks are the same.

 

5th seed and a wild card win over maybe the Colts or Texans. Definately possible. Then we can see what happens in the later rounds. This is the year we break our playoffs win drought.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, ny33 said:

At 4-1, the Bills have generally performed as anyone who closely follows the team should have expected as of the conclusion of preseason. Allen is going to lose us more games than he wins, but he has the ability and has shown flashes of the consistency needed to be .500 or better vs. real contenders, and it’s critical for the team to put away inferior opposition such as NYJ/CIN. Here's how I envision the season if we stay relatively healthy and Josh can generally execute as he did vs. Tennessee (take what you get vs. the defense, get the ball out quickly, and make just 1-2 boneheaded plays a game).

 

I appreciate a guy who takes the trouble to put the thought and time into a post that you put here.

 

But you lost me right here.  The team is 4-1.  Allen has been the starter for all 4 of those wins.  In the wins, his play has been instrumental in bringing us back.

So how is this even possible? 

 

I think I understand what you mean: Allen will continue to make mistakes, including some boneheaded plays that result in turnovers and require our D to bail him out, and that won't always happen.  Perhaps "Allen will continue to make critical mistakes that put the Bills in a hole and require defensive excellence and comebacks to win" might be a better way of phrasing it.

 

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Remaining game predictions:

W. vs. Mia (5-1)  0-4

L. vs. Phi (5-2)    3-2

W. vs. Wash. (6-2) 0-4

W. @ Cle. (7-2)   2-3

W @ Mia (8-2)    0-4

W vs. Den. (9-2) 1-4

L @ Dal. (9-3)     3-2

W vs Bal. (10-3) 3-2

W @ Pitt. (11-3) 1-4

L @ NE (11-4)     5-0

W vs. NYJ (12-4) 0-4

 

I added the team records as of this week in Red, above.

 

So fundamentally, your prediction is that we win every game against a team that currently has a losing record, even if it's a close losing record like 2-3?

And we lose every game against a team that currently has a winning record, except Baltimore which for some reason you feel is less legit than Philly or Dallas in that record?

 

I would like to see us finish with a record like 11-4 - double digit wins.  I think it's possible.  But if we finish with that record, it won't be because "Allen is going to lose us more games than he wins", and the chances that we beat every team with a losing record we face are small.

 

If we've really made progress, we need to beat a couple of good teams - teams that win.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I think this point is underappreciated by some Bill's fans.  You can make a strong argument that last year Allen was put into a position every bit as bad as Rosen was.

Everything from not taking a lot of 1st team snaps during training camp & preseason; a terrible O-line; the worst reeving core (WR's & TE's) in the NFL and a weak stable of RB's.

 

That Allen has made the progress he has is a main reason to be optimistic.

 

Agreed 100%.  I would go further to say that in the Dregs of Larry Fitzgerald plus Christian Kirk, Rosen had significantly more to work with at WR than Allen did with Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin, and that I thought our OL performed worse than the Cardinals (we may have had slightly better players, but they performed worse).  The only negative Rosen had that Allen did not, was the same OC all through the season instead of having his QB coach pulled into the OC role partway through.  But Allen had a WR coach as his QB coach, so maybe that's a wash - though Culley seems to be doing OK in Baltimore so far.

 

Basically the above is the reason I changed from being a "wrong Josh" to a "right Josh"er:

Allen had the same or less to work with than Rosen did on offense, and he did more with it.  There is no doubt in my mind that Allen raised the level of play and elevated the team around him, and that's what a QB who can develop into "the Man" needs to be able to do. 

 

And that's why a statement like "Allen is going to lose us more games than he wins" simply can't be supported.

 

 

 

[mjd1001]

I would have to think 10-6 or 11-5.  While I think the Bills are better than most of the teams on their upcoming schedule....there are just those days in the NFL where the better team doesn't win.  Bad calls, unexptected injuries, bad decisions by a 2nd year QB....one Big play that wasn't expected...etc.

 

With that said, I think 11-5 is a good possibility with them making the playoffs.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Lol even the negatives are struggling to be positive.

 

I'm sticking with my 10-6, but wouldn't be surprised to see better.

 

An atom walks into a bar and says "I've lost an electron".  The bartender says "are you sure?"  The atom replies  "Yes. I'm positive"

[TroutDog]

31 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

TLDR.

 

My prediction is the same as it was last week, last month and last June.  
 

Maybe a variation of +/- 1 game 

 

12-4 to 14-2. 
I can’t go that much higher. 
 

Or did you expect lower?  
 

Shirley you jest 

I don’t. 
 

And stop calling me Shirley! ? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

An atom walks into a bar and says "I've lost an electron".  The bartender says "are you sure?"  The atom replies  "Yes. I'm positive"

 

Love it. Lol

[Gugny]

W. vs. Mia (5-1)  0-4

L. vs. Phi (5-2)    3-2

W. vs. Wash. (6-2) 5-0

W. @ Cle. (7-2)   2-3

W @ Mia (8-2)    0-4

W vs. Den. (9-2) 1-4

L @ Dal. (9-3)     3-2

W vs Bal. (10-3) 3-2

W @ Pitt. (11-3) 1-4

L @ NE (11-4)     5-0

W vs. NYJ (12-4) 0-4

 

I'm looking at it more from a "Bills defense vs. QBs who are not that good," perspective.

 

The three losses are against (QBs) Wentz, Prescott and Brady.

 

I consider all of the WINS above as games the Bills actually should win, bringing us to 12-4.  If we can steal one from PHI, DAL or NE, that brings us to 13-3 and I think that wins the division.

 

I don't think 12-4 taking the division is a crazy thought.  If we can beat NE in NE (tough task) and beat them in a tie-breaker, that would be sweet.  I can't see NE going any worse than 12-4.

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

3 hours ago, Baba Booey said:

We will go 12/4 this year and have the third best record in the AFC. They will win a wild card game in the playoffs and get beat by KC in the divisional round. We will praise the coaching staff for how quickly they turned this around and McDermott will win coach of the year! 

 

I don't know, I think this Bills team can beat anyone.They "should" only get better as the season goes on. I mean everyone is basically new on offense and I believe they will get better and more chemistry will evolve for all of them. Especially if the Oline can stay healthy for the most part.

 

But yeah, I think with this defense the Bills can have a very good shot at beating any team, even the almighty Chiefs and pats, and any NFC team. Feel pretty good about them and excited to see the offense take that next step as the season progresses.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Gugny said:

W. vs. Mia (5-1)  0-4

L. vs. Phi (5-2)    3-2

W. vs. Wash. (6-2) 5-0

W. @ Cle. (7-2)   2-3

W @ Mia (8-2)    0-4

W vs. Den. (9-2) 1-4

L @ Dal. (9-3)     3-2

W vs Bal. (10-3) 3-2

W @ Pitt. (11-3) 1-4

L @ NE (11-4)     5-0

W vs. NYJ (12-4) 0-4

 

I'm looking at it more from a "Bills defense vs. QBs who are not that good," perspective.

 

The three losses are against (QBs) Wentz, Prescott and Brady.

 

I consider all of the WINS above as games the Bills actually should win, bringing us to 12-4.  If we can steal one from PHI, DAL or NE, that brings us to 13-3 and I think that wins the division.

 

I don't think 12-4 taking the division is a crazy thought.  If we can beat NE in NE (tough task) and beat them in a tie-breaker, that would be sweet.  I can't see NE going any worse than 12-4.

 

If 12-4 takes the division and we lose to NE 2x, that would mean that NE record is 11-5

Question: Which 5 teams on the remaining NE schedule are going to beat them, if we can't?

Reminder: NE plays the Jets, Browns, Ravens, Eagles, Cowboys, Texans, Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, and Dolphins. 

 

I think 12-4 taking the division is a very crazy thought.  We would need at least 13-3 and one win over NE to pull that off.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Anything less than 15-1 and I’m not going to watch them in the playoffs.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

48 minutes ago, Gugny said:

W. vs. Mia (5-1)  0-4

L. vs. Phi (5-2)    3-2

W. vs. Wash. (6-2) 5-0

W. @ Cle. (7-2)   2-3

W @ Mia (8-2)    0-4

W vs. Den. (9-2) 1-4

L @ Dal. (9-3)     3-2

W vs Bal. (10-3) 3-2

W @ Pitt. (11-3) 1-4

L @ NE (11-4)     5-0

W vs. NYJ (12-4) 0-4

 

I'm looking at it more from a "Bills defense vs. QBs who are not that good," perspective.

 

The three losses are against (QBs) Wentz, Prescott and Brady.

 

I consider all of the WINS above as games the Bills actually should win, bringing us to 12-4.  If we can steal one from PHI, DAL or NE, that brings us to 13-3 and I think that wins the division.

 

I don't think 12-4 taking the division is a crazy thought.  If we can beat NE in NE (tough task) and beat them in a tie-breaker, that would be sweet.  I can't see NE going any worse than 12-4.

 

 

 

Bills are going to beat the eagles. 

[Boatdrinks]

If the Bills stay relatively healthy ,  I think their 4-1 start gives them a good look at 10-6. I think they will have losses to PHL, DAL, PIT, and NE. Also one game that most fans would expect them to win, as over the course of a season this happens to most teams. Even the Pats*. So 10-6 and a WC berth. At that point it comes down to the matchup, but their defense should give them a good shot at a road victory and a trip to KC in the divisional round. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

If the Bills stay relatively healthy ,  I think their 4-1 start gives them a good look at 10-6. I think they will have losses to PHL, DAL, PIT, and NE. Also one game that most fans would expect them to win, as over the course of a season this happens to most teams. Even the Pats*. So 10-6 and a WC berth. At that point it comes down to the matchup, but their defense should give them a good shot at a road victory and a trip to KC in the divisional round. 

 

Thus team isn't losing to Philadelphia. Pittsburgh? Lol

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Thus team isn't losing to Philadelphia. Pittsburgh? Lol

Just a gut feeling. Pretty sure the Bills have about 1 win @ PIT in their franchise history. While we all know Ben is out, that franchise has a trophy case full of Lombardi’s and won’t be a pushover at home. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Just a gut feeling. Pretty sure the Bills have about 1 win @ PIT in their franchise history. While we all know Ben is out, that franchise has a trophy case full of Lombardi’s and won’t be a pushover at home. 

 

Have you seen them play this season?

[Gugny]

55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If 12-4 takes the division and we lose to NE 2x, that would mean that NE record is 11-5

Question: Which 5 teams on the remaining NE schedule are going to beat them, if we can't?

Reminder: NE plays the Jets, Browns, Ravens, Eagles, Cowboys, Texans, Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, and Dolphins. 

 

I think 12-4 taking the division is a very crazy thought.  We would need at least 13-3 and one win over NE to pull that off.

 

 

BUF, KC, HOU, DAL, PHI can all beat NE.  If Baltimore had a good QB, I'd add them.  But I can't see them beating NE.

[HOUSE]

If this team wins 12 games, I will  buy that meat grinder at Ace hardware....I always wanted one

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Have you seen them play this season?

Actually, yes. As I said, most NFL teams  stumble sometime in a 16 game season with a head scratching loss. That game  would qualify for sure. Hopefully the Bills are immune to this and maintain laser-like focus. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

11-5

Losses to Pats, Eagles, Cowboys, and Browns

5th seed WC

Win on the road over AFC South Division winner

Edited October 13, 2019 by Ethan in Portland

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Bills are going to beat the eagles. 

Yes, they are.