Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They turned it over once against the Titans and scored 14 points. Ok. And turned it over 4 times vs jets while scoring 17 and then twice against the bengals and scored 21. They’ve left points on the table via mistakes. Very correctable mistakes Cutting down to’s inherently increases the odds of scoring. Who the hell would argue against this? 6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Once is WAAYY better than 3, 4, 5 or 6. I wasn't arguing the RZ efficiency. My question was: What % of drives have reached the RZ? Oh. Ya. I totally misread that Edited October 11, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: Ok. And turned it over 4 times vs jets while scoring 17 and then twice against the bengals and scored 21. Cutting down to’s inherently increases the odds of scoring. Who the hell would argue against this? And 4 for NE and scored 10 apparently some do. Otherwise why are they complaining? I reiterate .... Eliminate Josh's dumb INT's and this team will score more. Captain Obvious badges for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I'll bet they don't even score any points this Sunday and drop more. Pathetic ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Between turnovers and really poorly timed penalties they've got a lot to work on this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 It is as I say over & over the idea that McClappy preaches about the game being played between the 20's. The Bills can move the ball, they just often turn conservative and continue to play for a 17-13 game, vs. where the NFL is going, which is 27-24 (or higher). Eventually it will bite them in the a$$. Yes I want them playing with the mindset that they need to score 30+ every game & not ball control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Didn’t we already all agree that stats are meaningless. It’s all in the feel baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 You do realize that if you win every game 6-3, you're still undefeated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: They turned it over once against the Titans and scored 14 points. They were also playing on the road aginst the 6th best defense in PPG. The Pats* played on the road against the third best defense in PPG a couple weeks ago, turned the ball over once, and scored 16 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Doom and gloom stuff. The defense can’t possibly keep playing well so they’ll have to score more points. How about: we have a really good defense that combined with an offense that is developing we’re 4-1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Doom and gloom stuff. The defense can’t possibly keep playing well so they’ll have to score more points. How about: we have a really good defense that combined with an offense that is developing we’re 4-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, wagon127 said: Im trying to say, this is what could lead to a repeat of 2008 and 2011, not that they need to score points, but that they struggle to put up numbers that over 20 other NFL teams are able to put up. Not against our defense they haven't. Relax, as others have said they are still letting the offense gel. They are asking #17 to make plays reading defenses and not by overusing his arm strength and legs. Before the season it was all negativity (from some) about completion %. They've made improvements there. By playoffs time this offense will have hit another gear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, ProcessAccepted said: Not against our defense they haven't. Relax, as others have said they are still letting the offense gel. They are asking #17 to make plays reading defenses and not by overusing his arm strength and legs. Before the season it was all negativity (from some) about completion %. They've made improvements there. By playoffs time this offense will have hit another gear. i think we saw the ceiling of the 08 and 11 teams right out of the gate and teams adjusted..... I think its pretty fair to say, with all the mistakes that have been made and that are easiy correctable, we havnt even come close to the ceiling of this squad. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: You do realize that if you win every game 6-3, you're still undefeated? You do realize that even amongst the most ardent fans (I'd bet 90%) would have no interest after a while watching 6-3 games???? My friend was in Tennessee and has been a season ticket holder driving down for 30 odd years and he commented how boring a game it was. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/270428-worst-game-ever-buffalo-vs-cleveland-review But keep fondly reminiscing about that Cleveland game...... Oh I forgot Buffalo lost...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: With the personnel they have? I doubt that. I could see them getting to middle of the pack in points score which is more than good enough to get into the playoffs with this defense..... just think they'll struggle to score enough points once they get there and play the better teams of the league. We are one of the better teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: You do realize that even amongst the most ardent fans (I'd bet 90%) would have no interest after a while watching 6-3 games???? My friend was in Tennessee and has been a season ticket holder driving down for 30 odd years and he commented how boring a game it was. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/270428-worst-game-ever-buffalo-vs-cleveland-review But keep fondly reminiscing about that Cleveland game...... Oh I forgot Buffalo lost...... Call me crazy. I like winning. Don't care how. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: Wow this is a bad take the defense is top 3 or 5 in every major category and is allowing 11 pts a game. There is NO QUESTION about them being elite up to this point. I think folks are confusing elite in a season with all time elite. This defense is not the 85 bears, but they’re a top 5 unit. This year they are elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I’d be worried if the offense looked like it did when EJ or Trent Edwards we’re back there. Offense looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) The Pats TEAM has been putting up minimum 30 PPG for 5 of 6 games. One game against Buffalo it only put up 16 and only one offensive scoring TD 1 - 4 Steelers, 0-4 Dolphins, 0-5 Skins, 0-4 Jets and 2-4 Giants Edited October 11, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Call me crazy. I like winning. Don't care how. Welcome to the 10% or less..... 6-3 games after 1 (imo) is more then enough. We are not a fun team to watch (outside 4th quarter comebacks). Frankly I'd like to see this team down by 14 and see what they have (yeah yeah I know NYJ). More so I'd love to see a shootout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 hours ago, WideNine said: ...and we are 4-1 ...and we are 3rd in red zone scoring (TDs) ....and our defense is 3rd overall preventing yards per game ....Josh is 8-1 as a starter when he keeps turnovers to 1 or less. We are building something here, no one said it was finished yet. 1 or less and at least 1 TD they are 8-0. 1-6 in games where he turns the ball over more than once. That means that he has had multiple turnovers in 7 of 16 games that he has started. He has been very lucky on fumbles so far or that might be a different stat. It's very clear what needs to happen for this team to win. I just don't want to see another wild card game like the last one. After Miami we will have played the 30th, 31st, and 32nd ranked defenses, so eventually something has to click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think we need two major things: 1. Singletary back. Gore is great, but you can't give him the ball 25 times a game. Gore and Singletary can each carry 15 times, and Singletary I believe will provide a Kamara like spark. 2. JA needs to discover the long ball. At the very least, keep throwing it deep. But with #1, play action opens up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 The points will come...we are moving the ball effectively....I’d we were at the bottom in total yards as well I’d be more concerned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: I think folks are confusing elite in a season with all time elite. This defense is not the 85 bears, but they’re a top 5 unit. This year they are elite. right. units like the 85 bears/2000 ravens/2013 seahawks are historical/generational... for me an elite unit/player for a given year is top 3-5 in that category.... I would argue the bills easily have top 3 ELITE unit in the year 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 If we are going to be SB contenders then we’ll probably need to score more points. We are getting yards and doing fantastic in the RedZone though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Yeah... But the good thing is, they're actually 12th in total yards. They move the ball well. Points will come.... Hopefully sooner rather than later, but I'd be much more concerned if we were 25th overall in offense. We stop turning the ball over, we'll be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: relax. It'll be next year, after another draft and FA period, and after Allen's second year, before the offense catches up to the defense in terms of talent and effectiveness. Still have questions on the O Line and WR, and Allen is obviously still pretty raw. For McBeanes, this is all just a process of roster upgrade after roster upgrade. Will take a full 3 years. This is year 3. Next year is the year, IMHO. This year, just get to 10 wins and get in the tournament again. they ain't winnin' anything this year. at this time last year, you all wanted to fire the whole lot of them.. keep your pants on Trust the Process. Good post! Just win baby! Develop a winning culture, we still are rebuilding, still work in process and lot's of fun to watch! Reminds me of 1979 or 1987, good things are coming! 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Call me crazy. I like winning. Don't care how. They want showtime or they lose focus; has to be the Pinball Wizard, me I'm with you - just win baby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think our ranking matches our overall talent on offense. Beside Morse, the rest of the Bills lineman are bad to mediocre. We don't have a Pro Bowl caliber WR or TE. Our RBs are either past their prime or injured. I think next season is the year the Bills offense becomes decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I could care less where they sit statistically for anything as long as they are winning. If they keep winning, the points will come and so will the stats. The stats are for gamblers anyway and I am not one. Come to think of it, it's probably why i don't care where they sit in the statistics. LOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Three things - We need to replace our punter....even though we have one of the best return guys in the league our starting field position gets flipped on us every game it seems - We have been VERY good int he red zone - We are still having a lot of penalties on drives......which is forcing punts due to down and distance - Is Marquette King available? - Duke should help make even better - Lee Smith kills us in this area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, BigPappy said: I could care less where they sit statistically for anything as long as they are winning. If they keep winning, the points will come and so will the stats. The stats are for gamblers anyway and I am not one. Come to think of it, it's probably why i don't care where they sit in the statistics. LOL!! How about being entertained? As a Bills fan they are winning so yes that makes me happy, but if you are just watching the game as a football fan, the games are not that much fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Injuries, inexperience, and a new OL. The bye is coming at a good time and the more we play, the more the offense should improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) BUT....... the bills are #2 in the NFL against fantasy football kickers according to my yaho app. Second only to New England Edited October 11, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: If we are going to be SB contenders then we’ll probably need to score more points. We are getting yards and doing fantastic in the RedZone though. 13-3 was the score of the last SB. Win the games, good, bad and or Ugly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 13-3 was the score of the last SB. Win the games, good, bad and or Ugly Well those same teams were 2nd and 4th in ppg during the regular season. You’re probably not going to have any kind meaningful and sustained success by being one of the worst scoring teams in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 13-3 was the score of the last SB. Win the games, good, bad and or Ugly Yep. And in other "discouraging" news Allen currently leads the league in clutch 4th qtr drives leading to wins. Last year he was tied for second. You can't teach clutch performance it is either in the dna or it isn't. There is plenty for Allen to work on, but he does have it in him to take the team down the length of the field to win a game with only seconds left on the clock when needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 What’s important to note in all this, that is the ranking without The Duke. Now that Duke Williams is up our ranking should skyrocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 ...another calamity just like "no 300 yd passer".....Josh will continue to grow and improve.......the offense will continue to grow and improve....Daboll will continue to grow and improve....in the meantime, 4 W's "ain't too bad", right?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 25th in points is not surprising and while I think the team will finish higher than that the game script for the Bills is going to deflate the Bills point totals. The Bills defense is going to put them in positions where they are running a 4 minute offense to grind out the clock late in games. So the Bills are going to try and run out the clock on teams and not trying to score late in a lot of games. I think they finish in the late teens or early 20's in terms of points. And while that is mediocre it isn't a bad thing in the context of having a great defense and a QB that is developing. With a top 2-3 defense, solid special teams unit you only need a lower mid-level offense to get to 10-11 wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Well those same teams were 2nd and 4th in ppg during the regular season. You’re probably not going to have any kind meaningful and sustained success by being one of the worst scoring teams in the league. Exactly, neither team makes it to that Super Bowl without the ability to score points. This Bills team is playoff bound because of their elite defense. There aren’t many elite offenses/QB’s in the league, and we will be able to collect regular season wins against many lesser opponents. We will need our offense to get it together before the playoffs. It will be an early exit if this putrid offense doesn’t turn it around. I’m very much a realist about this team. We are playoff bound, and have an elite defense. There are tons of reasons to feel good about this team. However, we aren’t going deep in the playoffs without fixing this offense. Edited October 11, 2019 by SirAndrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: right. units like the 85 bears/2000 ravens/2013 seahawks are historical/generational... for me an elite unit/player for a given year is top 3-5 in that category.... I would argue the bills easily have top 3 ELITE unit in the year 2019. Agree. Because of that defense I’d add that if Allen makes a post injury performance jump similar to last year this team is capable of a deep playoff run. 59 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 13-3 was the score of the last SB. Win the games, good, bad and or Ugly It was also Wade Phillips vs Billy Boy containing those offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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