Article: Forbes article on Duke Williams

[EasternOHBillsFan]

28 minutes ago, Speedy Beebe said:

I figured that was the case. I noticed that from the link you supplied he’s 6’2”. The Bills website lists him as 6’3”. So either he’s grown since college or it’s more fake news. 

 

There's no such thing as fake news... this goes on a lot and has for decades now... players' heights are +/- 1" sometimes.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

How'd that work with Williams anyway.  He signed a contract back in Jan article stated his salary was a little under $400k.  When he got cut and then sent to the practice squad, I assume he made much less, standard PS money.  When called up, does he revert back to the original contract, or did the Bills write him a new deal?

[JESSEFEFFER]

NFL rookie minimum is like $540k.  I think the Colts are paying CK a little above that to be on their PS and the Jags are paying Minischew the minimum to play.

[warrior9]

9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. Had he run a 4.3 either at a pro day or the combine, he would have likely been a first round pick. He went UNDRAFTED. Something lost in the story is that he was/is not some physical specimen shunned for character issues. NFL team's just didn't think he was particularly talented.

 

I'm not sure how long he'll last, but that energy goes a long way. He's the antithesis of Zay WRT confidence and "swag." Not sure what happened with Zay, but it was nice to get SOMETHING back for what turned out to be a poor pick.

 

I'm just going to sit back and see what he does going forward. Didn't expect anything in game one, so I'd love to see him continue to bring the energy and continue to make plays. He LOOKS like a TE playing receiver, but he PRODUCED. Even saw him create separation a few times besides the blown coverage TD. At the end of the day, production is all that matters. Great story.

Lol blown coverage? He beat the guy off the line and inside on a slant... on the 6 yard line......?  Explain "blown coverage" please

Edited October 8, 2019 by warrior9

[ColoradoBills]

2019 Rookie Minimum Salary: $495,000
So weekly pay if on 53 man roster: $29,117.64

 

http://footballnextlevel.com/tag/2019-practice-squad-pay/

17 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

NFL rookie minimum is like $540k.  I think the Colts are paying CK a little above that to be on their PS and the Jags are paying Minischew the minimum to play.

 

 

 

[TigerJ]

The article engaged in a little unrealistic hyperbole: the 4.3 speed comment and calling Williams a #1 receiver.  Other than that it was nice to see.

[John from Riverside]

11 hours ago, Speedy Beebe said:

“With his strong arm, Allen has a tendency overthrow his receivers when he sends them long. With Williams’ height, leaping ability and 4.3 speed, that will be harder to do. He could be the prototypical No. 1 receiver that fans have been asking for.”

 

I had no idea that he ran a 4.3. Hmm

Wait a minute....Duke doesnt run no 4.3

[Mat68]

I like Williams' edge he plays with.  He brings a different element to the passing attack.  I thought Jones was primed for a big year.  Maybe, Williams makes the most of his playing time and produces the way I thought Jones would.  Seems like Foster has battled injuries all year.  Him healthy adds some extra juice to the passing attack as well.

[Speedy Beebe]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Wait a minute....Duke doesnt run no 4.3

Yeah, I think the author of the article didn’t do his homework 

[Kelly the Dog]

24 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Lol blown coverage? He beat the guy off the line and inside on a slant... on the 6 yard line......?  Explain "blown coverage" please

It's possible that he meant the safety bit hard on the play action fake, which he did, otherwise he would have been in the lane that the pass traveled through so easily to Duke. That's not really blown coverage as much as good execution by the Bills.

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

He doesn't.

It IS true. He ran a slow 40 time. He makes up for it in other aspects of his game.

He ran a slow 40 time at the 2015 Combine. It was over four months after he had been thrown out of Auburn for a bar fight, among other transgressions. He hadn't worked out, or practiced a snap of football in that time, and he was spiraling into depression. That combine has followed him ever since, including onto these boards.

[JMF2006]

With his height and weight he doesn't need 4.3 speed.

 

He uses his body to block out the defender on slants and doesn't give the DB a chance to undercut the route

 

[RememberTheRockpile]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Good article and you're right, author does seem to know the team.

 

Only thing I wonder about is the part where he says " With Williams’ height, leaping ability and 4.3 speed, that will be harder to do "

 

When did Duke Williams show that kind of speed?

 

Canadian receiver rules. Running start.

[Bakin]

10 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

That’s 4.3 in metric time (Canada)...in the US he runs a 4.55

Actually it’s 4.3 kilometers per gigaliter.
So it is accurate 

[KollegeStudnet]

I love Duke’s story. He is Buffalo. 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

49 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

He ran a slow 40 time at the 2015 Combine. It was over four months after he had been thrown out of Auburn for a bar fight, among other transgressions. He hadn't worked out, or practiced a snap of football in that time, and he was spiraling into depression. That combine has followed him ever since, including onto these boards.

 

So, let's assume that he could have run faster than 4.66. Isn't it realistic to estimate 4.5-4.55 in better shape? 4.3 seems way too fast.

[row_33]

13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He doesn't and that's obviously false 

 

Forbes sells the dream, not the facts

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

How'd that work with Williams anyway.  He signed a contract back in Jan article stated his salary was a little under $400k.  When he got cut and then sent to the practice squad, I assume he made much less, standard PS money.  When called up, does he revert back to the original contract, or did the Bills write him a new deal?

 

The standard practice squad $$ are a minimum.  There is no maximum.  That could have been part of Duke's deal with the team, "if we cut you and sign you to PS, we'll keep paying you the same salary"  Or not - between Duke and the team.

 

The Patriots are noted for paying their PS players significantly more than PS minimum

[Rocky Landing]

25 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

So, let's assume that he could have run faster than 4.66. Isn't it realistic to estimate 4.5-4.55 in better shape? 4.3 seems way too fast.

Better physical and mental shape. He tanked at the combine, and by the time the draft came around, he was a pariah. 4.3 does seem faster than one would expect. But, in all likelihood, he should probably be considered of average speed. Zay clocked a 4.45 at his combine, which didn't raise any eyebrows. I would be interested to see what his top speed actually is, which I don't believe anyone really knows. But, before his character issues, his school expulsion, and tanked combine, he was considered a top prospect. If 4.3 seems unlikely, it seems more unlikely that he had achieved that much hype while being "slow."

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

He ran a slow 40 time at the 2015 Combine. It was over four months after he had been thrown out of Auburn for a bar fight, among other transgressions. He hadn't worked out, or practiced a snap of football in that time, and he was spiraling into depression. That combine has followed him ever since, including onto these boards.

Doesn't matter how you slice it. He isn't a fast receiver. The article said he has 4.3 speed and that's nowhere near true. I'd bet he's closer to 4.55 speed, which still isn't fast. But that's okay, because other aspects of his game can make up for that, such as physicality.

[Rocky Landing]

38 minutes ago, MJS said:

Doesn't matter how you slice it. He isn't a fast receiver. The article said he has 4.3 speed and that's nowhere near true. I'd bet he's closer to 4.55 speed, which still isn't fast. But that's okay, because other aspects of his game can make up for that, such as physicality.

"Isn't a fast receiver" is a better description than "slow."

[LSHMEAB]

6 hours ago, warrior9 said:

Lol blown coverage? He beat the guy off the line and inside on a slant... on the 6 yard line......?  Explain "blown coverage" please

Sheesh. There appeared to be confusion in the coverage and I thought that was obvious. I'll have to rewatch the play so I don't make such egregious errors. I can't even compliment the guy properly!

[Augie]

14 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

That’s 4.3 in metric time (Canada)...in the US he runs a 4.55

 

But, how old is he in dog years? 

[Ga boy]

17 hours ago, purple haze said:

He is not as slow as people think, but he's not the quickest, which is why he has to make a lot of contested catches.  One on one, DBs can stay with his routes.  Beasley, for instance, is not the fastest, but quick.  It's harder for DBs to stay on his routes, especially in tight spaces.  Not a knock on Duke, he just had to understand how to win with his skill set consistently.

He's got Jerry Rice speed.  I'll take it.

 

[Jumbo Bills]

Duke Williams can play some football! If there are any questions on his ability, hands, size or speed, just watch his CFL highlights on You Tube! He’s a human highlight film!

Whether college, the CFL or the NFL this man can play the game very well! Yes he was released from Auburn for a bar fight and had a bad attitude! He’s turned it all around and has gained the total respect of his teammates and so it will be the league! Watch the You Tube highlight film! Had his attitude been different in college he would have been a high draft choice. Kudo’s to the Bills and GM Beane for doing their homework on this guy! 

[starrymessenger]

Duke ran a good pattern to beat the DB but I would like to see more of his route tree beyond slants, that have been almost all of his targets and that obviously he can run. Boldin wasn't fast but was open a lot because he was a smart route runner and a reliable target because of his physicality and hands. As to receiver type Boldin should be William's prototype. Look forward to seeing how the chemistry with Allen develops. If it does, he should enjoy some success. If it doesn't he won't stick. I think he's got a shot. He's a big target and Allen could come to rely on him in the red zone and third down conversions. I suspect he will be taking targets away from Sweeney in addition to Zay's. 

[row_33]

20 hours ago, RememberTheRockpile said:

 

Canadian receiver rules. Running start.

 

and an insane lack of enforcement of the concept of offside with every skill player eligible to be in motion

 

[transplantbillsfan]

I don't know who knows about this, but there was a poster in one of the other Duke threads at the end of the preseason who alluded to a bunch of physical problems/injuries Duke had right around the Combine that affected his combine numbers negatively.

 

If that poster is reading this I hope he/she can enlighten us on those issues.

 

I'm curious because if you look up some of his stuff going back as far back as High School, there are some references to a 4.3 40 time.

 

One myth has pretty clearly been debunked already:

 

Duke is NOT too slow to play WR in the NFL and should NOT be converted to TE.

[Don Otreply]

20 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Sheesh. There appeared to be confusion in the coverage and I thought that was obvious. I'll have to rewatch the play so I don't make such egregious errors. I can't even compliment the guy properly!

Duke had his defender beat within three to four steps off the line of scrimmage, used his body to block any attempt by the defender to break up the pass, which by the way was perfect. The footage is on U tube. I did not see any confusion at the line of scrimmage by the opposing D.

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited October 9, 2019 by Don Otreply

[Buffalo716]

23 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Better physical and mental shape. He tanked at the combine, and by the time the draft came around, he was a pariah. 4.3 does seem faster than one would expect. But, in all likelihood, he should probably be considered of average speed. Zay clocked a 4.45 at his combine, which didn't raise any eyebrows. I would be interested to see what his top speed actually is, which I don't believe anyone really knows. But, before his character issues, his school expulsion, and tanked combine, he was considered a top prospect. If 4.3 seems unlikely, it seems more unlikely that he had achieved that much hype while being "slow."

He was a top HS recruit because he was 6'2 220 and manhandled corners

 

He most certainly was never a burner or ran a 4.3.. he was a physical receiver who won with size and strength not speed

[Boca BIlls]

Ok... So after reading 3 pages I have learned a 4.3 Canadian time is about 4.6 American time.

 

Josh runs faster in pads.

 

 

Duuuuuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkeeeeeee!

[NoSaint]

On 10/8/2019 at 1:20 PM, Rocky Landing said:

He ran a slow 40 time at the 2015 Combine. It was over four months after he had been thrown out of Auburn for a bar fight, among other transgressions. He hadn't worked out, or practiced a snap of football in that time, and he was spiraling into depression. That combine has followed him ever since, including onto these boards.

 

So you think he’s among the fastest wide receivers (really fastest players) in the league with 4.3 speed?

[LSHMEAB]

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Duke had his defender beat within three to four steps off the line of scrimmage, used his body to block any attempt by the defender to break up the pass, which by the way was perfect. The footage is on U tube. I did not see any confusion at the line of scrimmage by the opposing D.

 

Go Bills!!!

OK. So I rewatched it and it's a bit of both. Corner may have expected inside help and the safety was just standing there looking at the LOS. Either way, he used his body weight perfectly and had a nice, sharp, inside cut for such a big dude. 

 

I saw a lot of good things. I'm not all aboard the Duke train, but I love the energy he brings. 

[BillsFan17]

Man, watching Duke score against the Titans was something else. The kid has that underdog/longshot element about him that makes us fans cling to him so badly.

 

Really pray this kid can just keep on playing well, and carve out a bigger and bigger role.

[Rocky Landing]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

So you think he’s among the fastest wide receivers (really fastest players) in the league with 4.3 speed?

No. I don't think he has 4.3 speed.

My only point is that he is faster than his 4.66 showing at his combine would indicate. That combine, in which he tanked, has followed him more than his expulsion from Auburn, IMO. He gets knocked for being "slow," and "not able to get separation. To my eyes, he is of average speed for a WR. And, the knock that he "can't get separation" is just plain wrong.

On 10/8/2019 at 12:10 PM, HalftimeAdjustment said:

 

So, let's assume that he could have run faster than 4.66. Isn't it realistic to estimate 4.5-4.55 in better shape? 4.3 seems way too fast.

Yes, I agree. Zay Jones speed.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[Punching Bag]

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