The Athletic: Brett Favre’s Advice to Josh Allen

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

 I think Josh is closer to Elway. Problem is can he get there?

 

 

I agree with the Elway comp...........that's what I see so far.

 

I do believe there is a good chance they win that game Sunday if Allen is in there at the end...........his ability to extend plays and make plays with his feet is a killer for a tired defense late in games.

 

Matt Barkley has been a more efficient/accurate passer but as a defense you know where he is going to be and you know you only have to cover so long.  

 

One 8 second Josh Allen play late in the game can be more exhausting than 3 downs of quick passes from Barkley. 

 

That was always one of the secrets to Elway's success............he didn't magically get that much better late in games the defenses just got a little bit worse and that's all it took many times.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[london_bills]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Brett should personally call Allen

 

That would be such a blessing for our young gunslinger to know that another legend is in his corner

It might have come to that as he's not listening to his coach! ?

2 hours ago, jletha said:

 

 

This play looks so Allen-like its scary....and maybe a bit encouraging lol?

It is!

Edited October 1, 2019 by london_bills

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Or is he thinking this looks like me at 23

That's exactly what he and everyone else is thinking. Comparisons to Favre have been made since 2016.

 

That advice has to sink in sooner rather than later.

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I think it's safe to say Josh has .. well .. bigger hands.

I wonder what shoe size they are...

[london_bills]

28 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Wasn't this what Daboll tried to tell Josh in the off season?  I seem to recall an article about Josh's development where he admitted as much.  I just wonder how much longer it will take for Josh to stop reverting to his college form and play the way he's being taught now.  This includes sliding rather than trying to be a big RB.

He needs to start sliding NOW.

No need to dive head first. 

 

I think he will always have some risk to his play in terms of INTS because of his nature and the fact that he is not the most accurate QB.

Edited October 1, 2019 by london_bills

[Dr. Who]

52 minutes ago, Tcali said:

JA is Favre without the passing ability

Tcali is Scott Law without the optimism.

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

I think Josh has a higher ceiling. I think Josh is closer to Elway. Problem is can he get there?

Are you parsing the difference between two NFL Hall of fame QBs who ran around and made many mistakes but also many great plays? I would say all three are very similar to each other.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Or is he thinking this looks like me at 23

 

At 23 wasn't Favre sitting on the bench still in Atlanta?

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

At 23 wasn't Favre sitting on the bench still in Atlanta?

No 23 was his first starting year in GB

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Heitz said:

 

Was going to say, he talked about that on Sirius (yesterday maybe..?) and said it was STILL hard to go against his instincts.  Though the $5k did get his attention.  Holmgren said if the game is on the line and there's one play, don't shut down your instincts, go for it - but if it's a random second down, just get down!

 

I think that everyone underestimates how hard it is to shut down that competitive nature (and, quite frankly, to make good decisions under tons of duress).  I feel like we're always going to see a little hero ball from Josh, but hopefully he'll learn to save himself - might just take a few years...

 

Josh got knocked out (literally!) on a crucial 3rd and 8. It was game deciding time. I’d rather he have slid and tried a 4th and 2. But I get it, big strong guy, wants to win and prove himself..... It was not a random 2nd down, so I love the heart and hate the decision and more-so the result. 

 

Time to learn. 

[dickleyjones]

There is only one way to learn this stuff: experience.  Allen has less than most. Give him some time.

[Lurker]

Outstanding article.

 

I never realized Farve was so eloquent or cerebral about his career.    His quotes were were just a perfect breakdown of what ails Josh and what he needs to do to overcome his 'hero ball' mentality...

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Brett Favre’s Advice to Josh Allen:  “Don’t read TBD-TSW, especially the day after a loss!”

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(And don’t even look in P, P, and P...)

[oldmanfan]

I would buy a plane ticket for Favre to be here Monday morning so he can spend two weeks with Josh.

[Lurker]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would buy a plane ticket for Favre to be here Monday morning so he can spend two weeks with Josh.

 

Lol!  That's would be a good Bills Mafia fundraiser.    I suspect McD might get pissed if Brett showed up at OBD courtesy of the fans, however.     

 

Then again, maybe if Daboll endorsed it...

[london_bills]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would buy a plane ticket for Favre to be here Monday morning so he can spend two weeks with Josh.

With a load of beers?

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, njbuff said:

Favre should tell Allen not to send racy photos to Jenn Sterger's phone.

So funny - I had forgotten that she existed until this thread. Then this evening I was listening to wgr app via my phone app and a commercial came on for a podcast that she apparently co-hosts called “Swings and Misses.” Guess she’s still relevant? 

[Chicken Boo]

5 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

I personally don't believe their anything alike.

 

They both have strong arms.  That's where the comparison ends.

 

Brett's mechanics were much better than Josh's, even in his early years.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

They both have strong arms.  That's where the comparison ends.

 

Brett's mechanics were much better than Josh's, even in his early years.

Brett had alot of bad footwork in his early days, threw off his back foot plenty

 

How about , they both play outside their offensive systems , both have amazing escapability for a QB, both could make any throw on the run , and they both have one of the strongest arms in the game

 

Not too mention they both look like they have a great passion for the game and a winners mentality

 

It's ALOT more than arm strength

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

They both have strong arms.  That's where the comparison ends.

 

Brett's mechanics were much better than Josh's, even in his early years.

 

Favre was every bit as sloppy as Allen is now.

 

Allen just needs to settle down out there. He isn’t at Wyoming anymore when EVERYTHING was on him. Needs to trust his teammates now to be successful.

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

So funny - I had forgotten that she existed until this thread. Then this evening I was listening to wgr app via my phone app and a commercial came on for a podcast that she apparently co-hosts called “Swings and Misses.” Guess she’s still relevant? 

 

She is definitely hot.

[Boatdrinks]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Or is he thinking this looks like me at 23

This^^^ Probably sees some of his younger self in Allen. Time gives a lot of perspective. A 23 year old Favre would never have said that. Nothing disturbing about it, not one bit. 

[billsredneck1]

11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Thats exactly what our braintrust should do.  Because so far its not sinking in. He thinks its 2018.

what's not sinking in is...not taking a sack in fg range.  that's flat out inexcusable.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

what's not sinking in is...not taking a sack in fg range.  that's flat out inexcusable.

 

Any luck in your research on Jauron games with going for it twice on fourth and goal?

[billsredneck1]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Any luck in your research on Jauron games with going for it twice on fourth and goal?

i've never used the ignore button before but i may have to figure that out. i don't believe i ever mentioned jauron in relation to the offense. i believe i was making a point about conservative d calls.  btw  find some one else to p!$$ off....carry on.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i've never used the ignore button before but i may have to figure that out. i don't believe i ever mentioned jauron in relation to the offense. i believe i was making a point about conservative d calls.  btw  find some one else to p!$$ off....carry on.

 

If you're gonna say something utterly and incomprehensibly stupid, better be prepared to be called on it.

 

It's a tough board for tough people.

 

[CuddyDark]

13 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Are you parsing the difference between two NFL Hall of fame QBs who ran around and made many mistakes but also many great plays? I would say all three are very similar to each other.

I just see Farve as a closer comp to Mike Vick or Jake Plummer. JA has a feel for the game I never saw in Farve. Elway and Allen have more natural talent + mental ability. If JA ever becomes a student of the game he will be better than Farve. JMO. Will he? That's the only question I have with JA.

[CuddyDark]

11 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

They both have strong arms.  That's where the comparison ends.

 

Brett's mechanics were much better than Josh's, even in his early years.

Not true. Farve had awful footwork his entire career. But where I see them as being different is in the mental aspects of the game. JA and Elway have higher mental ability. A lot of players have the physical but Elway was smarter than most every QB who played in his era. JA has that ability to be a Peyton type field general. Farve had to be controlled and or managed. For his entire career they had to direct Frave. Again JA is off on a lot of throws because he trusts his arm too much but his ceiling is Elway IMO. He just has to put in the work, take the check downs and stop trying to win the game on one throw.

[dave mcbride]

8 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

I just see Farve as a closer comp to Mike Vick or Jake Plummer. JA has a feel for the game I never saw in Farve. Elway and Allen have more natural talent + mental ability. If JA ever becomes a student of the game he will be better than Farve. JMO. Will he? That's the only question I have with JA.

I honestly think that Brett Favre is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. Flawed, sure, but the productivity was incredible. He was on a bunch of mediocre-talent teams that he took very, very far on his right arm. 

[Rocket94]

21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Brett had alot of bad footwork in his early days, threw off his back foot plenty

 

How about , they both play outside their offensive systems , both have amazing escapability for a QB, both could make any throw on the run , and they both have one of the strongest arms in the game

 

Not too mention they both look like they have a great passion for the game and a winners mentality

 

It's ALOT more than arm strength

Even though they were rumors, I would not have doubted Favre's desire to return to the game. Something that he did so long and was so good at can't just leave him. The desire to compete and believing that he can still do it will never leave him. He would also be a good mentor for Allen.

[Solomon Grundy]

On October 1, 2019 at 9:09 PM, london_bills said:

With a load of beers?

And beef jerky 

[CuddyDark]

16 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I honestly think that Brett Favre is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. Flawed, sure, but the productivity was incredible. He was on a bunch of mediocre-talent teams that he took very, very far on his right arm. 

We don't disagree. Farve is a deserving HOFer. 

 

I think they're different kind of players. For example, JA doesn't always force the ball where it should not go and get away with it because of his arm. That is what made Farve great. If you watch JA he actually goes to the correct read on the field, (most of the time) he just doesn't get it to the player he's throwing it too. JA is actually a pretty smart reader of defenses and I don't believe Farve was ever a great reader of defenses. JA issue is what's it's always been, accuracy. JA throws are bad but he is throwing them to the correct player on the field 90% of the time. That is not what Farve did. Farve's arm saved his boneheaded mistakes and I haven't seen that same kind of dumb reads with JA on most of his throws.

[Estelle Getty]

On 10/1/2019 at 6:24 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well keep in mind it is partly older, less reckless Favre saying what he wished he’d done as his younger self.

 

 

You know that because?

 

Maybe the conversation he had with Kelly is “yeah, they always told me I had the mindset of a LB.  Nice to see that back in the Bills locker room” and “you got a guy, kid, where you been hiding it this season?  I wanna see you get out and SLING IT”

Or you could know what your talking about. He specifically said he had that conversation w him when he was on the NFL network. 

[Nihilarian]

I think Josh will take this to heart as Brett Favre is his hero.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Estelle Getty said:

Or you could know what your talking about. He specifically said he had that conversation w him when he was on the NFL network. 

 

OK, so you think you know that because JA said he had that conversation on NFL network.  I assume it was pre-PATs game, so evidently it didn't work.

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

We don't disagree. Farve is a deserving HOFer. 

 

I think they're different kind of players. For example, JA doesn't always force the ball where it should not go and get away with it because of his arm. That is what made Farve great. If you watch JA he actually goes to the correct read on the field, (most of the time) he just doesn't get it to the player he's throwing it too. JA is actually a pretty smart reader of defenses and I don't believe Farve was ever a great reader of defenses. JA issue is what's it's always been, accuracy. JA throws are bad but he is throwing them to the correct player on the field 90% of the time. That is not what Farve did. Farve's arm saved his boneheaded mistakes and I haven't seen that same kind of dumb reads with JA on most of his throws.

Good take.

[Seven-N-Nine]

On 10/1/2019 at 4:59 PM, CuddyDark said:

I personally don't believe their anything alike.

I have yet to see Allen make any of the stupendously ridiculously good throws that you'd see Favre make from time to time. 

[CuddyDark]

18 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

I have yet to see Allen make any of the stupendously ridiculously good throws that you'd see Favre make from time to time. 

You don't see most QBs making the throws Favre made. Why? Because Favre wsa always behind on his reads and had to make up for that inability to read defenses with his arm. Most QBs who are reading defense never make a Favre throw.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

34 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

You don't see most QBs making the throws Favre made. Why? Because Favre wsa always behind on his reads and had to make up for that inability to read defenses with his arm. Most QBs who are reading defense never make a Favre throw.

 

 

[WhickedWilliams]

On 10/1/2019 at 4:19 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Brett should personally call Allen

 

That would be such a blessing for our young gunslinger to know that another legend is in his corner

 

 

Corner of sending d*ck pics .. ? 

[Rob's House]

On 10/1/2019 at 8:14 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Brett Favre’s Advice to Josh Allen:  “Don’t read TBD-TSW, especially the day after a loss!”

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(And don’t even look in P, P, and P...)

It only seems daunting to the uninitiated.

 

Just put Tibs on ignore and it suddenly becomes an interesting discussion of current events and political philosophy.