Josh Allen Failed His First Big Test

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

He has the tools,  just needs to learn to throw the ball away when it is not there.  How many passes did Brady throw away today because of quick pressure?  

Prior to this game I actually thought he was doing a lot more of that......its BB...the man just prey's on young qbs

[Bevis]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And before that?  Ahhh HOF right

No idea I don't really follow him too much, I just know that in his second season was farther along than Allen currently is.

[corta765]

9 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

Be careful man dont forget to add in the 24 TDs

 Or your narrative is flawed ?

 

Yes 24 TDs against 36 TOs is the stat line for success for my QB. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by corta765

[jrober38]

14 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Yeah Pats - fixed

 

They have a damn good D and front 7 that get's constant pressure on QB's and shuts running games down (up until today). They basically help or play as a unit like the Bills did today.  

 

Allen has to get his turnovers in check. Allen has to not take sacks when in field goal range and just throw the ball away. Allen needs to take better care of his body when running or he won't last long enough to even become franchise. Allen needs to seriously work on his deep balls.

 

Allen will not have to see a D as good as the Pars for awhile now. Let's see if he can learn from his mistakes and grow. I will continue to support him 

 

We can't take 18yrs of Pats dominance against our Bills and throw it all at Allen. A kid that is still learning and developing.

 

Agreed.

 

The Titans on the road will be tough but the following 3 games all feature poor to horrible defenses. We need to see major improvement in the Miami and Washington games. A win against either the Eagles or Titans would be nice too. 

[Big Blitz]

44 pass plays

 

17 runs

 

Can't beat New England like that.  

 

And there is no way that should be the split going forward.  

 

We should be running 40 plus percent of the time.  

 

 

[MAJBobby]

9 minutes ago, Bevis said:

No idea I don't really follow him too much, I just know that in his second season was farther along than Allen currently is.

ahhh so you wouldn’t know he is sucking to the point Bears fans wanting him Benched 

[Real McClappy]

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Agreed.

 

The Titans on the road will be tough but the following 3 games all feature poor to horrible defenses. We need to see major improvement in the Miami and Washington games. A win against either the Eagles or Titans would be nice too. 

That's were I'm at man. If we continue to see games like today throughout this year Beane and McD have some serious things to think or figure out. 

 

I love the clutch Josh Allen leading 4th qtr comebacks. If he can just piece this all together, we all know he has the physical tools. I'm tired of the QB purgatory in Buffalo, just be the man Josh!

[Lurker]

Yes, he probably failed this one. 

 

Good thing there are many more in store for him and this is not the final one.

[dayman]

Gardner Minshew looks good ?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, Bevis said:

No idea I don't really follow him too much

Well that's readily apparent.

 

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

That's were I'm at man. If we continue to see games like today throughout this year Beane and McD have some serious things to think or figure out. 

 

I love the clutch Josh Allen leading 4th qtr comebacks. If he can just piece this all together, we all know he has the physical tools. I'm tired of the QB purgatory in Buffalo, just be the man Josh!

 

Agreed.

 

I'm hoping for it as well. I just can't understand the decision making sometimes.

 

Last week it was the interception rolling right, throwing a duck across the middle, and there was also a bone head intentional grounding call that knocked us out of field goal range in the 1st quarter. 

 

This week it was three heaves into double coverage, plus a bone headed sack that made a field goal more difficult when he had time to throw it away.

 

These plays need to stop. They're inexcusable at this point, but we see them week after week. If those disappear, he can be a pretty good player. He just needs to take care of the football better. 

[White Linen]

25 minutes ago, klos63 said:

3 interceptions were not the fault of special teams. Three terrible throws.

 

Allen didn't get his punt blocked, miss a FG and kick a 22 yard punt.  

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

44 pass plays

 

17 runs

 

Can't beat New England like that.  

 

And there is no way that should be the split going forward.  

 

We should be running 40 plus percent of the time.  

 

 

 

And that was the fundamental flaw in Debolds offensive scheme today.  Way to many empty backfield sets meant he was putting the ball in our young QB's hands to much.  On the positive side it means that Debold thought he could handle it.  On the negative Allen couldn't, which given his inexperience and Belichick's defensive prowess was probably inevitable.  It simply was putting to much on Allen's shoulders. 

 

And let's not forget that our running game is pretty weak.  Sure Gore had an amazing game for a 36 year old RB but against what the Pats were running on D how would any of the younger stud RB's have fared?  Maybe 150 - 200 yards?  The absence of Singleterry was a big deal.  You can't ask Gore to lug the rock 25 times and they were afraid to let the 3rd string RB carry the ball.  I mean if I'm a NE safety or LB and Yeldon is in there I know for a fact that he's not getting the hand off.  That's a HUGE handicap when you're trying to get receivers open on short & intermediate routes.

 

 

 

 

[SCBills]

I’m pretty confident we win this game if he isn’t cheap shotted out.  

 

He was figuring it out in the 2nd half, has one of the highest 4th Quarter QBR’s in the league, and our red zone offense is phenomenal with him in there.  

 

First half was worrisome though.   The main thing holding him back from becoming big time are the turnovers and connecting on the deep ball.   The deep ball will come, but he has to mentally focus and cut out the turnover garbage. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, dayman said:

Gardner Minshew looks good ?

Surely, there is plenty of room on that train.  Jump aboard.

[klos63]

11 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Allen didn't get his punt blocked, miss a FG and kick a 22 yard punt.  

Nope.  But you really don''t get to dismiss the interceptions.

[BananaB]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

44 pass plays

 

17 runs

 

Can't beat New England like that.  

 

And there is no way that should be the split going forward.  

 

We should be running 40 plus percent of the time.  

 

 

 

Funny thing is you knew what we were gonna do when Gore was in the backfield and you knew what we were gonna do when Yeldon was in the backfield.

[jrober38]

25 minutes ago, dayman said:

Gardner Minshew looks good ?

 

He's been outstanding. 

[Teddy KGB]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

He's been outstanding. 

 

By he you mean Leonard Fournette ? 

[CincyBillsFan]

27 minutes ago, dayman said:

Gardner Minshew looks good ?

 

He looks great with a guy running for 225 yards in his backfield!  That kind of threat will focus a defense's mind real fast.

 

Not to take anything away from Gore but NE completely ignored our running game today.  They knew that when Yeldon was in we were not going to run it and they figured that if Frank Gore took it to the house from 50 yards out they deserved to lose. 

 

NE focused 100% on keeping Allen in the pocket and taking away the deep shot.  It's hard to throw against an elite pass defense that isn't afraid of your running game. 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Josh Allen is a problem right now. I'm afraid what's about to happen is what happens to all young QBs that begin to struggle with turnovers. He's going to start being afraid to pull the trigger. Once that happens it's basically over for him. Might be good for him to miss this next game.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

By he you mean Leonard Fournette ? 

 

No, I'm talking about the QB with 7 TDs, 1 Int and a QB rating of about 110. 

 

For a guy who likely didn't get many reps in training camp, he's been excellent. 

 

Nick Foles might have lost his job again. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by jrober38

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

No, I'm talking about the QB with 7 TDs, 1 Int and a QB rating of about 110. 

 

Enjoy the crusade.     Make sure you pack enough supplies to make it through the winter ??

[dakrider]

Allen was at times trying to do to much and he also made some plain bad decisions.  And I don't blame him for most the sacks that occurred either.  THere was 1 sack was his fault because he simply held the ball to long and he just has to make the best play available even if its throwing the ball away.   Some of those sacks he had no chance at all.  Up the middle its hard to get away from.   Still I think the Bills might have won had he not got hurt.   He just has to play more consistent and not come out in 1st qtr like he's shell shocked. He did start out 2nd half well.  Its too bad a personal foul like that in the NFL is barely even penalized.  

[CircleTheWagons99]

He was about to pass it if he didn’t get illegally knocked out of the game by a dirty hit. 

[IronyAbounds]

46 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Nope.  But you really don''t get to dismiss the interceptions.

I've said it before I'll say it again. This team will only go as far as the defense will take it. Today was one of the best defensive efforts I can recall, and an offensive performance that was absolutely putrid. Allen may turn out to be a franchise type QB, but anyone suggesting that is a certainty just hasn't been paying attention. His first half today was just north of a Peterman performance, and all three INTs were just bad throws on bad decisions. NE may have a good defense, but those throws were inexcusable.

 

If the Bills win more than 8 games it will be because the defense holds steady. Just have to hope it stays relatively injury free.

[Ga boy]

2 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

4 Turnovers plus a sack that took them out of FG range. He was a big part of the points NE got and the lack of scoring we had. For right now it’s OK but it forces some not fun questions about his play which is very up and down

I think Tom Terrific is the GOAT at throwing balls in the dirt.  When will Josh pick up this skill??  

[Bob in STL]

I was at the game.  Pretty poor game by Josh but the overall gameplay by the offense was not good and execution was lacking.  

 

Too many passes, especially early.  We needed more Gore.  If he can’t carry a bigger load then we need Singletary back ASAP.   I sure wish we had McCoy.  

 

Allen was responsible for several sacks by holding the ball too long.  The pass blocking was not consistent and they had trouble with blitzes.  There were times when he had time to throw but no one was open or he failed to find the open man.   The WRs were not good.  Zay Jones is not a  good player.  Smith at TE was a disaster.  

 

So the sacks and the picks were mostly a team effort.  

[White Linen]

54 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Nope.  But you really don''t get to dismiss the interceptions.

 

I didn't but we can't ignore that a missed FG caused us to need to go for a TD on 4th down with our back up QB.  We have a young and inexperienced QB that when the defense plays that great , and can ill afford to have the special teams to play that badly.

[klos63]

10 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said:

I've said it before I'll say it again. This team will only go as far as the defense will take it. Today was one of the best defensive efforts I can recall, and an offensive performance that was absolutely putrid. Allen may turn out to be a franchise type QB, but anyone suggesting that is a certainty just hasn't been paying attention. His first half today was just north of a Peterman performance, and all three INTs were just bad throws on bad decisions. NE may have a good defense, but those throws were inexcusable.

 

If the Bills win more than 8 games it will be because the defense holds steady. Just have to hope it stays relatively injury free.

Then how do you explain today? Defense was awesome.

5 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I didn't but we can't ignore that a missed FG caused us to need to go for a TD on 4th down with our back up QB.  We have a young and inexperienced QB that when the defense plays that great , and can ill afford to have the special teams to play that badly.

I'm not ignoring the other mistakes. But the miss FG was aided by Allen's poor pocket awareness and taking yet another costly 3rd down sack.

[IronyAbounds]

20 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Then how do you explain today? Defense was awesome.

 

Yeah, and it gave the team a chance to win. Just like it won the first three games. Even a below average game by the offense would carried the day today. Putrid, on the other hand, left the Bills a TD short.

[Big Gun]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

for the record he has 8 TOs. Only 2 lost Fumbles. 

This!

And the Beasley bounce a couple weeks ago wasnt Allen's fault and the sideline int today should have been an incomplete pass the refs got wrong but they count against him. He should have only 4 ints and 2 lost fumbles for only 6 TOs. 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, IronyAbounds said:

Yeah, and it gave the team a chance to win. Just like it won the first three games. Even a below average game by the offense would carried the day today. Putrid, on the other hand, left the Bills a TD short.

I agree, but that just means we won't go as far as our defense takes us. We'll go as far as all three units go, plus how our coaches do.

[LSHMEAB]

This was the first time in which Allen seemed rattled by the moment. I've seen him overzealous. I haven't seen him look as tentative as he did in that first half. He was aiming and not throwing. Errant passes all over the place. His shortcomings were magnified (IMO) by the big stage.

 

He is young and this was his first "big game," but I didn't like what I saw in that regard.

 

On the flip side, he DID demonstrate the mental fortitude to keep going and appeared less rattled as the game wore on. That's good. But if he plays well early in that game, the Bills win. Maybe he would have come back and won it. There's no way of knowing for sure. It's a shame we weren't able to find out. I would have felt a lot more confident they'd score a TD once they got into the RZ with Allen at QB. But would he have made another mistake or would he have gotten the team into that position? Again, shame we weren't able to find out.

 

My hope is that he'll grow from the experience and come out confident the next go round, but it was discouraging. Not "write the guy off" discouraging, but discouraging nonetheless. 

 

The kid is a fighter and extremely easy to root for, but he's gonna have to play a whole lot better if he's ever gonna be THE GUY. I know he doesn't suck. I know he's not going to wash out of the league. What I don't know is whether or not he's gonna be able to cut down on the miscues to the extent that he can be relied upon game in and game out. Not trying to p*** in anyone's Cheerios, but that's the way I see it. We'll see what happens.

[BobbyC81]

6 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

Right. He’s had two good games (Jets Giants) one average (Bengals) and one bad which was today which makes you ask some hard questions. This isn’t a panic button he has started just 16 games as much as a well I like what you’ve shown but I need better for it to work long term.

 

I agree.  Look at Tampa with Winston and Tenn with Mariota. They’re both in their 5th year.  They both had good games today in wins but history has shown they’ll likely have stinkers in upcoming games.  Give the kid a break.

[downunderbill]

He certainly failed today but as bad as he was, an Allen led offence outscored the Patriots juggernaut offence 10-9. He threw and ran for more yards than the greatest QB to play the game. It's just a shame about the blocked punt and that the Patriots defence took up residence in his head.

The silver lining is that the Buffalos defence is arguably the best in the league and can help them go toe to toe against the best teams in the league. hopefully Allen learns how to throw it away before it's too late.

 

edit: equalled them taking out the extra point.

Edited September 30, 2019 by downunderbill

[Buffaloed in Pa]

It was another learning lesson. He has to quit throwing dumb ints. Book smart with not much common sense

[Captain Caveman]

I agree with the OP that Josh basically cost us this game (although the D kept us in it and he may have had a chance to redeem himself had he stayed conscious.)

 

Also agree that hopefully he can learn from it and realize that the most important thing is to take what the D is giving with short and mid depth passes.

 

Finally, I hope the WRs (and Zay Jones especially) get flogged today for not better contesting those INTs.

[White Linen]

10 hours ago, klos63 said:

Then how do you explain today? Defense was awesome.

I'm not ignoring the other mistakes. But the miss FG was aided by Allen's poor pocket awareness and taking yet another costly 3rd down sack.

 

So Allen did miss the field goal?

[klos63]

2 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

So Allen did miss the field goal?

No, but by taking the sack, it made the FG more difficult. Longer... get it?